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Re: Post Your Bidlists Here for Critique, Consolation & Caveats

Postby seriouslyinformative » Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:41 pm

Flesh this out. Is your problem with WilmerHale that it's difficult to get an offer or something else?


And I have heard that WilmerHale NYC is rather selective. I just find that humorous because, if I had the grades to presumably be in the running for WilmerHale NYC, I'd have the grades to be in the running for most V10s. And there's almost zero reason to take WilmerHale NYC above those V10s. I mean, you could be trying some backdoor strategy for WilmerHale DC, but that's shadyville so I won't really elaborate on whether one should plan one's moves like that.

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Re: Post Your Bidlists Here for Critique, Consolation & Caveats

Postby NakedPowerOrgan » Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:20 pm

Draft #2:

1. Weil
2. Latham
3. Fried Frank
4. Davis Polk
5. Cleary
6. Simpson Thatcher
7. Winston - Chicago
8. Cadwalader
9. Jenner - Chicago
10. Kirkland - Chicago
11. Skadden
12. Jones Day
13. Sidley
14. Proskauer
15. Debevoise
16. Paul Weiss
17. Dewey
18. McDermott - Chicago
19. Allen Overy
20. Sidley - Chicago
21. Gibson Dunn
22. Dechert
23. Latham - Chicago
24. Katten Chicago
25. Mayer Brown - Chicago
26. Ropes & Gray
27. Skadden - Chicago
28. Jones Day - Chicago
29. Willkie Farr
30. Kramer Levin
31. Paul Hastings
32. Hughes Hubbard
33. Orrick
34. Pillsbury Winthrop
35. Curtis Mallet
36. Freshfields

so what do I do with my fourteen extra bid slots here?

The firms on seriouslyinformative's list that are not on my list:

Wachtell - too grade selective
Cravath - too grade selective
S&C - too grade selective
Kirkland - NY office doesn't come to OCI
Milbank - doesn't come to OCI
Boies - too grade selective
Shearman - doesn't come to OCI
Cahill - doesn't come to OCI

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Re: Post Your Bidlists Here for Critique, Consolation & Caveats

Postby seriouslyinformative » Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:21 pm

Oh whoops. I think I had you as attending a different CCN. Maybe add in those other Chicago firms then lol.

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Re: Post Your Bidlists Here for Critique, Consolation & Caveats

Postby ndirish2010 » Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:27 pm

seriouslyinformative wrote:Oh whoops. I think I had you as attending a different CCN. Maybe add in those other Chicago firms then lol.


I thought that NPO was at NYU as well.

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Re: Post Your Bidlists Here for Critique, Consolation & Caveats

Postby NakedPowerOrgan » Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:45 pm

ndirish2010 wrote:
seriouslyinformative wrote:Oh whoops. I think I had you as attending a different CCN. Maybe add in those other Chicago firms then lol.


I thought that NPO was at NYU as well.


Probably painfully obvious where I am now. Here is my new list:

1. Weil
2. Latham
3. Fried Frank
4. Davis Polk
5. Simpson Thatcher
6. Winston – Chicago
7. Cadwalader
8. Jenner – Chicago
9. Kirkland – Chicago
10. Skadden
11. Cleary
12. Jones Day
13. Sidley
14. Proskauer
15. Debevoise
16. Paul Weiss
17. Dewey
18. McDermott – Chicago
19. Allen Overy
20. Sidley – Chicago
21. Gibson Dunn
22. Dechert
23. Latham – Chicago
24. Katten – Chicago
25. Mayer Brown – Chicago
26. Ropes & Gray
27. Jones Day – Chicago
28. Seyfarth – Chicago
29. Willkie Farr
30. Skadden – Chicago
31. Kramer Levin
32. Paul Hastings
33. Hughes Hubbard
34. Cravath
35. Schiff – Chicago
36. SNR Denton – Chicago
37. Orrick
38. Pillsbury Winthrop
39. Curtis Mallet
40. Baker McKenzie – Chicago
41. Greenberg – Chicago
42. Freshfields
43. MoFo
44. Neal Gerber – Chicago
45. DLA Piper – Chicago
46. Reed Smith – Chicago
47. Baker Hostetler – Chicago
48. Paul Hastings – Chicago
49. Drinker Biddle – Chicago
50. Wildman – Chicago

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Re: Post Your Bidlists Here for Critique, Consolation & Caveats

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:41 pm

Stanford, around top 25-33% (7 Hs, 6 Ps, 2 book prizes). Not sure about Law Review yet. Want to litigate, considering SF, NYC, and DC almost exclusively. Do not want to do white collar defense, but open to everything else, including gov't/public interest. Thoughts on this list:

1. Lieff Cabraser (SF)
2. Keker (SF)
3. Susman (NYC)
4. Boies (Oakland)
5. Quinn (SF)
6. MoFo (SF)
7. Covington (SF)
8. Department of State (DC)
9. Altschuler Berzon (SF)
10. Williams and Connolly (DC)
11. MTO (SF)
12. San Francisco DA (SF)
13. Howard Rice (SF)
14. Steptoe (DC)
15. Davis Polk (Menlo Park)
16. Jenner (DC)
17. WilmerHale (DC)
18. SullCrom (NYC)
19. Paul Weiss (NYC)
20. Arnold and Porter (DC)
21. Paul Hastings (SF)
22. Simpson Thatcher (NYC)
23. Cleary (DC)
24. McDermott (SF)
25. Santa Clara DA (San Jose)
26. CIA General Counsel (DC)
27. Hughes Hubbard (NYC)
28. Ropes (Palo Alto)
29. Morgan Lewis (SF)
30. Debevoise (NYC)

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Re: Post Your Bidlists Here for Critique, Consolation & Caveats

Postby GeePee » Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:54 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Stanford, around top 25-33% (7 Hs, 6 Ps, 2 book prizes). Not sure about Law Review yet. Want to litigate, considering SF, NYC, and DC almost exclusively. Do not want to do white collar defense, but open to everything else, including gov't/public interest. Thoughts on this list:

1. Lieff Cabraser (SF)
2. Keker (SF)
3. Susman (NYC)
4. Boies (Oakland)
5. Quinn (SF)
6. MoFo (SF)
7. Covington (SF)
8. Department of State (DC)
9. Altschuler Berzon (SF)
10. Williams and Connolly (DC)
11. MTO (SF)
12. San Francisco DA (SF)
13. Howard Rice (SF)
14. Steptoe (DC)
15. Davis Polk (Menlo Park)
16. Jenner (DC)
17. WilmerHale (DC)
18. SullCrom (NYC)
19. Paul Weiss (NYC)
20. Arnold and Porter (DC)
21. Paul Hastings (SF)
22. Simpson Thatcher (NYC)
23. Cleary (DC)
24. McDermott (SF)
25. Santa Clara DA (San Jose)
26. CIA General Counsel (DC)
27. Hughes Hubbard (NYC)
28. Ropes (Palo Alto)
29. Morgan Lewis (SF)
30. Debevoise (NYC)

It's an aggressive list but I think you're in a position where you could potentially pull it off, particularly for 2 unstated reasons: you don't seem overly invested in the results of OCI, and you're probably higher in the class than you think with your grade distribution. The one thing I'd caution is that you seem to have a lot of satellite offices on your list. Do you know how many offers each of these offices has granted individually over the last few years at Stanford? I have a feeling you may be limiting yourself solely by the number of positions available out of your entire list.

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Re: Post Your Bidlists Here for Critique, Consolation & Caveats

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:24 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Mich, top 20%, want Chicago but I have no ties, waiting to be sure about journals. I've redacted three firms from secondary markets where I have ties to keep some pretense of anonymity, so these are all Chicago. Unsure about lit vs. transactional; most of what I'm doing this summer is real estate-ish, which is also interesting. This is based mostly on class sizes and places I think I'd like to work based on ATL & what I've heard elsewhere; I'm going to go back through and take note of how they do practice groups for summers since I think a rotational system would be good for me at this point, so if anyone has thoughts along those lines I'd appreciate it.

1.Kirkland & Ellis
2.Jenner & Block
3.Mayer Brown
4.Skadden Arps
5.Winston & Strawn
6.Katten Muchin Rosenman
7.Sidley Austin
8.[redacted]
9.Greenberg Traurig
10. Schiff Hardin
11.Bryan Cave
12.[redacted]
13.Chapman & Cutler
14.K&L Gates
15.Ropes & Gray
16.Neal Gerber & Eisenberg
17.Paul Hastings
18.Wildman Harrold
19.Morgan Lewis
20.Jones Day
21.McDermott Will & Emery - I'm leaning towards bidding on their Transactions but I'm really not sure.
22.DLA Piper
23.Drinker Biddle & Reath
24.Quarles & Brady
25.Latham & Watkins
26.Foley & Lardner
27.McGuireWoods
28.Dykema Gossett
29. [redacted]

Thanks!


Sorry to bump, just wanted to make sure this was glossed over because it's a dandy looking list and not because it was missed. Thanks! :)

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Re: Post Your Bidlists Here for Critique, Consolation & Caveats

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:30 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Stanford, around top 25-33% (7 Hs, 6 Ps, 2 book prizes). Not sure about Law Review yet. Want to litigate, considering SF, NYC, and DC almost exclusively. Do not want to do white collar defense, but open to everything else, including gov't/public interest. Thoughts on this list:

1. Lieff Cabraser (SF)
2. Keker (SF)
3. Susman (NYC)
4. Boies (Oakland)
5. Quinn (SF)
6. MoFo (SF)
7. Covington (SF)
8. Department of State (DC)
9. Altschuler Berzon (SF)
10. Williams and Connolly (DC)
11. MTO (SF)
12. San Francisco DA (SF)
13. Howard Rice (SF)
14. Steptoe (DC)
15. Davis Polk (Menlo Park)
16. Jenner (DC)
17. WilmerHale (DC)
18. SullCrom (NYC)
19. Paul Weiss (NYC)
20. Arnold and Porter (DC)
21. Paul Hastings (SF)
22. Simpson Thatcher (NYC)
23. Cleary (DC)
24. McDermott (SF)
25. Santa Clara DA (San Jose)
26. CIA General Counsel (DC)
27. Hughes Hubbard (NYC)
28. Ropes (Palo Alto)
29. Morgan Lewis (SF)
30. Debevoise (NYC)


I can't imagine avoiding corporate defense in an NYC lit practice. Their litigation grows almost entirely out of the financial markets. I can't speak to the rest of your DC firms, but I know A&P does a ton of corporate defense, particularly the appellate practice, which is big on tobacco defense (stalling until plaintiffs die. Doesn't sound good for your interests.). And aren't the gov affairs practices of most major DC firms about defending corporations against government regulation/sanction (i.e. white collar crime)?

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Re: Post Your Bidlists Here for Critique, Consolation & Caveats

Postby GeePee » Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:38 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Stanford, around top 25-33% (7 Hs, 6 Ps, 2 book prizes). Not sure about Law Review yet. Want to litigate, considering SF, NYC, and DC almost exclusively. Do not want to do white collar defense, but open to everything else, including gov't/public interest. Thoughts on this list:

1. Lieff Cabraser (SF)
2. Keker (SF)
3. Susman (NYC)
4. Boies (Oakland)
5. Quinn (SF)
6. MoFo (SF)
7. Covington (SF)
8. Department of State (DC)
9. Altschuler Berzon (SF)
10. Williams and Connolly (DC)
11. MTO (SF)
12. San Francisco DA (SF)
13. Howard Rice (SF)
14. Steptoe (DC)
15. Davis Polk (Menlo Park)
16. Jenner (DC)
17. WilmerHale (DC)
18. SullCrom (NYC)
19. Paul Weiss (NYC)
20. Arnold and Porter (DC)
21. Paul Hastings (SF)
22. Simpson Thatcher (NYC)
23. Cleary (DC)
24. McDermott (SF)
25. Santa Clara DA (San Jose)
26. CIA General Counsel (DC)
27. Hughes Hubbard (NYC)
28. Ropes (Palo Alto)
29. Morgan Lewis (SF)
30. Debevoise (NYC)


I can't imagine avoiding corporate defense in an NYC lit practice. Their litigation grows almost entirely out of the financial markets. I can't speak to the rest of your DC firms, but I know A&P does a ton of corporate defense, particularly the appellate practice, which is big on tobacco defense (stalling until plaintiffs die. Doesn't sound good for your interests.). And aren't the gov affairs practices of most major DC firms about defending corporations against government regulation/sanction (i.e. white collar crime)?

White collar defense =/= corporate defense

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Re: Post Your Bidlists Here for Critique, Consolation & Caveats

Postby shuttlesworth » Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:52 pm

Cornell, top 5-10%
leaning transactional
probable LR
no significant WE

I have a feeling my bid list is wayyyy to aggressive, but the dean I spoke with told me it was alright.

Unless otherwise specified, all offices are NY.

Day 1
i. Cravath, Swain, & Moore
ii. Sullivan & Cromwell
iii. Debevoise & Plimpton
iv. Latham & Watkins
v. Gibson, Dunn, & Crutcher
vi. WilmerHale New York
vii. WilmerHale Washington, D.C.
viii. White & Case
ix. O’Melveny & [deleted]
x. Morrison & Foerster
xi. Allen & Overy

Day 2
i. Cleary, Gottlieb, Steen, & Hamilton New York
ii. Cleary, Gottlieb, Steen, & Hamilton Washington D.C.
iii. Kirkland & Ellis New York
iv. Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton, & Garrison
v. Arnold & Porter New York
vi. Arnold & Porter Washington, D.C.
vii. Kirkland & Ellis San Francisco
viii. Sidley Austin
ix. Shearman & Sterling
x. Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer

Day 3
i. Davis, Polk, & Wardwell
ii. Simpson, Thacher, & Bartlett
iii. Weil, Gotshal,, & Manges
iv. Quinn Emanual Urquhart & Sullivan
v. Linklaters
vi. Milbank, Tweed, Hadley, & McCloy


Any thoughts?

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Re: Post Your Bidlists Here for Critique, Consolation & Caveats

Postby CyLaw » Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:37 pm

shuttlesworth wrote:Any thoughts?


Do you want DC or NYC? I'm just wondering if the NYC firms are there for a fear of being shut out of DC or if you are undecided between the two. Also, don't forget that the DC job fair bids are due at the same time as the NYC job fair bids.

I am bidding only DC (for obvious reasons), but one thing I checked on was if a firm was interviewing for NYC and DC in the same slot. If so, then you are fighting for bids with both the NYC crowd and the few of us attempting DC. For my bid list, I ranked those firms higher than the DC only firms, except my top two DC firms which I ranked number 1 on their respective days as I definitely don't want to be shut out on those.

It is an agressive bid list, but I think it will be fine for you.

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Re: Post Your Bidlists Here for Critique, Consolation & Caveats

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:08 pm

Non-flyover T2 (top 5%) --> lower T14 transfer (not 100% sold on transferring but accepted). Used to prefer transactional to lit, but changed my mind during my summer work so I'm a bit more split. Haven't talked to OCS at the transfer school yet.

Everything is NY except otherwise stated. Redacted firms that would "out" me (secondary markets, specialty firms). Ties in Philly >> Ties in Boston (But class sizes in Boston > class sizes in Philly). A decent portion of the list is filler that I know I have no chance at/are ranked too low because I wanted to avoid firms with a combination of super-small classes/bad bid ratio.

1. Ropes
2. Dewey
3. Proskauer
4. Cahill
5. Fried Frank
6. Millbank
7. Schulte
8. Kramer Levin
9. Kasowitz Benson
10. Shearman & Sterling
11. Stroock
12. GDC
13. Chadbourne & Park
14. Paul Weiss
15. [Redacted]
16. Paul Hastings
17. Linklaters
18. Clifford Chance
19. Sidley
20. Weil
21. Ropes (BOS)
22. [Redacted]
23. Simpson Thatcher
24. [Redacted]
25. Latham
26. White & Case
27. Cadwalader
28. Allen & Overy
29. Wilmer (BOS)
30. Skadden
31. Jones Day
32. Goodwin Proctor (BOS)
33. Orrick
34. [Redacted]
35. Foley Hoag (BOS)
36. Dechert
37. Morgan Lewis
38. Kaye Scholar
39. Willkie Farr
40. Winston & Strawn
41. Davis Polk
42. Cozen O'Connor (PHI)
43. Pepper Hamilton (PHI)
44. [Redacted]
45. Choate Hall (BOS)
46. Morgan Lewis (PHI)
47. Dechert (PHI)
48. WilmerHale
49. [Redacted]
50. [Redacted]

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Re: Post Your Bidlists Here for Critique, Consolation & Caveats

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:02 am

GeePee wrote:It's an aggressive list but I think you're in a position where you could potentially pull it off, particularly for 2 unstated reasons: you don't seem overly invested in the results of OCI, and you're probably higher in the class than you think with your grade distribution. The one thing I'd caution is that you seem to have a lot of satellite offices on your list. Do you know how many offers each of these offices has granted individually over the last few years at Stanford? I have a feeling you may be limiting yourself solely by the number of positions available out of your entire list.


Stanford poster above here. It's definitely aggressive, and some of my top firms I'm not fully interested in (like Quinn). If I strike out, I strike out; other things exist.

Anonymous User wrote:I can't imagine avoiding corporate defense in an NYC lit practice. Their litigation grows almost entirely out of the financial markets. I can't speak to the rest of your DC firms, but I know A&P does a ton of corporate defense, particularly the appellate practice, which is big on tobacco defense (stalling until plaintiffs die. Doesn't sound good for your interests.). And aren't the gov affairs practices of most major DC firms about defending corporations against government regulation/sanction (i.e. white collar crime)?


I'm not against corporate defense, I am just completely opposed to white collar defense and SEC stuff. I have a slight preference for plaintiffs work, but know the limitations that exist in that for biglaw. Any DC firms that do less of that which I'm not including on my list?

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Re: Post Your Bidlists Here for Critique, Consolation & Caveats

Postby seriouslyinformative » Fri Jul 08, 2011 7:07 am

other things exist.


Second time I've read this on TLS in the past week. Yeah, not really. There's that thing called the financial crisis. Still going on. Whudda thunk??

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Re: Post Your Bidlists Here for Critique, Consolation & Caveats

Postby smittytron3k » Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:41 am

Top quarter HYS people are not totally off-base when they say "If I strike out, I strike out," because:
(a) they almost never strike out (contrary to the xoxo/jdu trolls)
(b) they legitimately do have other options if they do

You're right, it doesn't apply to the vast majority of law students, but there are some for whom there are other legitimate options if OCI doesn't pan out, and a guy with multiple book prizes from Stanford and an interest in government work is probably one of them.

SLS poster: I don't think your list is too risky, but I do think it's sort of schizophrenic. I think you might benefit from eliminating NYC from your list and adding more SF/DC firms (of which there are plenty to choose from).

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Re: Post Your Bidlists Here for Critique, Consolation & Caveats

Postby seriouslyinformative » Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:50 am

I know quite a few people who were in that position, and who struck out. Just because such stories are posted on those other forums, that doesn't mean they're false.

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Re: Post Your Bidlists Here for Critique, Consolation & Caveats

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:24 pm

SLS, top 15-20%. Want corporate work in Silicon Valley. All offices SV unless otherwise noted.

Cooley
Davis Polk
Dewey & LeBoeuf
Fenwick & West
Gibson Dunn
Gunderson
Latham
MoFo
O'Melveny
Orrick
Paul Hastings (SF)
Simpson Thatcher
Skadden
Weil
Wilson Sonsini

Thoughts on this list? I know its only 15 firms .... but what am I missing?

Also, thoughts on bidding only 15-20 firms (out of a possible 30)?

Thanks

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Re: Post Your Bidlists Here for Critique, Consolation & Caveats

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:33 pm

seriouslyinformative wrote:I know quite a few people who were in that position, and who struck out. Just because such stories are posted on those other forums, that doesn't mean they're false.


I don't doubt it's happened to someone, but I find the assertion that you personally know "quite a few" people with top 25% grades at HYS who struck out kind of hard to take seriously. Anyways, not important. Point is that based on that list OP would be fine with prosecutorial work or government work and I think that OP could convincingly steer that course even if OCI doesn't go as planned. Color me stupid, but I think he'll be fine.

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Re: Post Your Bidlists Here for Critique, Consolation & Caveats

Postby GeePee » Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:45 pm

Anonymous User wrote:SLS, top 15-20%. Want corporate work in Silicon Valley. All offices SV unless otherwise noted.

Cooley
Davis Polk
Dewey & LeBoeuf
Fenwick & West
Gibson Dunn
Gunderson
Latham
MoFo
O'Melveny
Orrick
Paul Hastings (SF)
Simpson Thatcher
Skadden
Weil
Wilson Sonsini

Thoughts on this list? I know its only 15 firms .... but what am I missing?

Also, thoughts on bidding only 15-20 firms (out of a possible 30)?

Thanks

Ropes & Gray would be a good addition. I also know Goodwin Proctor has an office in SV, but I'm not sure if they take SA's for areas other than IP. I assume they would, but I'd contact them to find that out. Kirkland San Francisco also has a pretty robust corporate practice for a SF firm.

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Re: Post Your Bidlists Here for Critique, Consolation & Caveats

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 08, 2011 7:03 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Mich, top 20%, want Chicago but I have no ties, waiting to be sure about journals. I've redacted three firms from secondary markets where I have ties to keep some pretense of anonymity, so these are all Chicago. Unsure about lit vs. transactional; most of what I'm doing this summer is real estate-ish, which is also interesting. This is based mostly on class sizes and places I think I'd like to work based on ATL & what I've heard elsewhere; I'm going to go back through and take note of how they do practice groups for summers since I think a rotational system would be good for me at this point, so if anyone has thoughts along those lines I'd appreciate it.

1.Kirkland & Ellis
2.Jenner & Block
3.Mayer Brown
4.Skadden Arps
5.Winston & Strawn
6.Katten Muchin Rosenman
7.Sidley Austin
8.[redacted]
9.Greenberg Traurig
10. Schiff Hardin
11.Bryan Cave
12.[redacted]
13.Chapman & Cutler
14.K&L Gates
15.Ropes & Gray
16.Neal Gerber & Eisenberg
17.Paul Hastings
18.Wildman Harrold
19.Morgan Lewis
20.Jones Day
21.McDermott Will & Emery - I'm leaning towards bidding on their Transactions but I'm really not sure.
22.DLA Piper
23.Drinker Biddle & Reath
24.Quarles & Brady
25.Latham & Watkins
26.Foley & Lardner
27.McGuireWoods
28.Dykema Gossett
29. [redacted]

Thanks!


Sorry to bump, just wanted to make sure this was glossed over because it's a dandy looking list and not because it was missed. Thanks! :)


Also from Michigan. I am not sure what top 20% is, outside of looking at Dean Baum's letter and trying to scale down. I guess 3.55 would be top 20% or so? I think 3.6 has to be better than top 20%, but who knows. I think Kirkland is too high, and a few of the really low GPA ones on there are too low. I am not really looking that carefully though: as I am not really bidding Chicago, just cross-checking the list with the GPA list. I think the risk with only Chicago is that the lower GPA ones have really small class sizes (less than 10) and are likely going to be heavily bid. I would recommend a 40-60 split with NYC or even a 50-50 split with NYC and mix in lesser grade selective NYC firms towards the top. Top 20 is definitely a great place to be, but without ties, I would play it a bit more carefully.

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Re: Post Your Bidlists Here for Critique, Consolation & Caveats

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 08, 2011 7:44 pm

USC/UCLA, top 27-30%, Secondary Journal, Moot Court

What I have so far (all SC schools)
1) Sheppard Mullin
2) Paul Hastings
3) Stroock & Stroock
4) Akin Gump
5) Alston & Bird
6) DLA Piper
7) Greenberg Traurig
8 ) Manatt, Phelps
9) Proskauer
10) Orrick Harrington
11) Latham
12) MoFo
13) Venable
14) Cooley (San Diego)
15) DLA Piper (San Diego)

Too aggressive?

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Re: Post Your Bidlists Here for Critique, Consolation & Caveats

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:39 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Mich, top 20%, want Chicago but I have no ties, waiting to be sure about journals. I've redacted three firms from secondary markets where I have ties to keep some pretense of anonymity, so these are all Chicago. Unsure about lit vs. transactional; most of what I'm doing this summer is real estate-ish, which is also interesting. This is based mostly on class sizes and places I think I'd like to work based on ATL & what I've heard elsewhere; I'm going to go back through and take note of how they do practice groups for summers since I think a rotational system would be good for me at this point, so if anyone has thoughts along those lines I'd appreciate it.

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Thanks!


Sorry to bump, just wanted to make sure this was glossed over because it's a dandy looking list and not because it was missed. Thanks! :)


Also from Michigan. I am not sure what top 20% is, outside of looking at Dean Baum's letter and trying to scale down. I guess 3.55 would be top 20% or so? I think 3.6 has to be better than top 20%, but who knows. I think Kirkland is too high, and a few of the really low GPA ones on there are too low. I am not really looking that carefully though: as I am not really bidding Chicago, just cross-checking the list with the GPA list. I think the risk with only Chicago is that the lower GPA ones have really small class sizes (less than 10) and are likely going to be heavily bid. I would recommend a 40-60 split with NYC or even a 50-50 split with NYC and mix in lesser grade selective NYC firms towards the top. Top 20 is definitely a great place to be, but without ties, I would play it a bit more carefully.


Michigan person quoted here. I really wasn't sure with scaling down based on the letter, so I figured it'd be safer to just go with those percentages roughly. I'm right at a 3.6, which you're right in saying who knows.

Thanks for your advice. It's something I'd thought about, though I was thinking more a 60-40 split. I really don't know that I want to be in NYC for anything more than a visit ever, but I do know I want to have a job. Better to work there for a few then get out than to not work at all. I wonder if it wouldn't be more feasible to mix in a few more of the few firms from one of the secondary cities where I have ties (lived there before, liked it and am probably one of the few people in the world not currently living there who do, currently have family there). The worry there is about spreading myself across too many cities, and it's kind of a dying city anyway. I'll have to look into it more. Why yes, I am just thinking out loud here. Thanks again for your help. :) Always good to have another pair of eyes on it.

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Re: Post Your Bidlists Here for Critique, Consolation & Caveats

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:00 pm

Michigan transfer from T2: Top 5% at old school. No idea what I'm doing here. Our OCI had 1 NY firm, so this is all new to me. Be as harsh/helpful as you want. All NY.

1. Fried Frank
2. Cadwalader
3. Milbank
4. Dewey
5. Paul Hastings
6. Paul Weiss
7. Debevoise & Plimpton LLP
8. Cahill
9. White & Case
10. Davis Polk & Wardwell
12. Kasowitz
12. Schulte
13. Cleary
14. Clifford Chance
15. Dechert
16. Ropes & Gray
17. Kirkland & Ellis
18. Shearman
19. Linklaters
20. Kaye Scholer
21 Nixon Peabody
22. Latham
23. Jones day
24. Gibson
25. Chadbourne
26. Allen & Overy
27. Proskauer
28. Orrick
29. Hughes
30. Seward

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Re: Post Your Bidlists Here for Critique, Consolation & Caveats

Postby mths » Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:11 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Michigan transfer from T2: Top 5% at old school. No idea what I'm doing here. Our OCI had 1 NY firm, so this is all new to me. Be as harsh/helpful as you want. All NY.

1. Fried Frank
2. Cadwalader
3. Milbank
4. Dewey
5. Paul Hastings
6. Paul Weiss
7. Debevoise & Plimpton LLP
8. Cahill
9. White & Case
10. Davis Polk & Wardwell
12. Kasowitz
12. Schulte
13. Cleary
14. Clifford Chance
15. Dechert
16. Ropes & Gray
17. Kirkland & Ellis
18. Shearman
19. Linklaters
20. Kaye Scholer
21 Nixon Peabody
22. Latham
23. Jones day
24. Gibson
25. Chadbourne
26. Allen & Overy
27. Proskauer
28. Orrick
29. Hughes
30. Seward

Orrick backed out of a few OCIs...might be a red flag




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