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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby thesealocust » Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:13 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Is Paul Weiss worth bidding on with Top 25% grades?


Yes. Somebody mentioned 3.6 was their lowest callback last year, but these things bounce around a lot. It's absolutely worth a bid.

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:17 pm

thesealocust wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Is Paul Weiss worth bidding on with Top 25% grades?


Yes. Somebody mentioned 3.6 was their lowest callback last year, but these things bounce around a lot. It's absolutely worth a bid.


So what firms AREN'T worth a bid with for someone in the top 25% for NyC? It seems like there aren't that many that are excluded, but I could just be imagining things.

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby Cavalier » Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:17 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
thesealocust wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Is Paul Weiss worth bidding on with Top 25% grades?


Yes. Somebody mentioned 3.6 was their lowest callback last year, but these things bounce around a lot. It's absolutely worth a bid.


So what firms AREN'T worth a bid with for someone in the top 25% for NyC? It seems like there aren't that many that are excluded, but I could just be imagining things.

Cravath. Sullcrom.

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby thesealocust » Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:20 pm

Cravath and S&C are probably the NYC firm most likely to actively attempt to recruit above our top 25% (~3.48) but depending on how many interview they're doing they could still be worth a bid. If Cravath is doing 1 interview room again I'd pass, if either comes with ~3 then it might be worth tossing your hat in the ring. I mean if others are avoiding them, it could be a relatively easy to obtain practice interview.

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:22 pm

thesealocust wrote:Cravath and S&C are probably the NYC firm most likely to actively attempt to recruit above our top 25% (~3.48) but depending on how many interview they're doing they could still be worth a bid. If Cravath is doing 1 interview room again I'd pass, if either comes with ~3 then it might be worth tossing your hat in the ring. I mean if others are avoiding them, it could be a relatively easy to obtain practice interview.



Haha, so S&C has two. Tips?

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby thesealocust » Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:25 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
thesealocust wrote:Cravath and S&C are probably the NYC firm most likely to actively attempt to recruit above our top 25% (~3.48) but depending on how many interview they're doing they could still be worth a bid. If Cravath is doing 1 interview room again I'd pass, if either comes with ~3 then it might be worth tossing your hat in the ring. I mean if others are avoiding them, it could be a relatively easy to obtain practice interview.



Haha, so S&C has two. Tips?


Bid them somewhere relatively low on your list, unless there's another firm you'd rather bid? 50 is "too many" bids to really intelligently use. Definitely leave it out of your top 10-20 that you're mostly likely to actually get via lottery, but probably don't completely avoid it? Or do completely avoid it? I mean this decision is so micro as to not really have a meaningful impact on your OGI experience.

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby vamedic03 » Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:47 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
thesealocust wrote:Cravath and S&C are probably the NYC firm most likely to actively attempt to recruit above our top 25% (~3.48) but depending on how many interview they're doing they could still be worth a bid. If Cravath is doing 1 interview room again I'd pass, if either comes with ~3 then it might be worth tossing your hat in the ring. I mean if others are avoiding them, it could be a relatively easy to obtain practice interview.



Haha, so S&C has two. Tips?


Check and see if they're using 30 minute slots (14/room/day) or 20 minute slots (20/room/day). Last year I think they used 30 minute slots.

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby Doritos » Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:55 pm

vamedic03 wrote:
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thesealocust wrote:Cravath and S&C are probably the NYC firm most likely to actively attempt to recruit above our top 25% (~3.48) but depending on how many interview they're doing they could still be worth a bid. If Cravath is doing 1 interview room again I'd pass, if either comes with ~3 then it might be worth tossing your hat in the ring. I mean if others are avoiding them, it could be a relatively easy to obtain practice interview.



Haha, so S&C has two. Tips?


Check and see if they're using 30 minute slots (14/room/day) or 20 minute slots (20/room/day). Last year I think they used 30 minute slots.


They are doing 30 this year

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby RVP11 » Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:35 am

If you're bidding all NYC and have top quarter grades or better, it's not a bad idea to bid all the big boys (Cravath and SullCrom included). Just throw them at the bottom of the bid list. They're better bids than what those last 5 or 10 bids would otherwise be placed on (some non-NY V100's 25 attorney NY outpost that hires like 2 summers a year).

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:14 am

RVP11 wrote:If you're bidding all NYC and have top quarter grades or better, it's not a bad idea to bid all the big boys (Cravath and SullCrom included). Just throw them at the bottom of the bid list. They're better bids than what those last 5 or 10 bids would otherwise be placed on (some non-NY V100's 25 attorney NY outpost that hires like 2 summers a year).


Even though there is a 0% chance of being hired?

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:15 am

If you have Law Review GPA but no pre-law school work experience, tips/thoughts for DC? Not asking to be a douche, genuinely curious.

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby RVP11 » Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:25 am

Anonymous User wrote:
RVP11 wrote:If you're bidding all NYC and have top quarter grades or better, it's not a bad idea to bid all the big boys (Cravath and SullCrom included). Just throw them at the bottom of the bid list. They're better bids than what those last 5 or 10 bids would otherwise be placed on (some non-NY V100's 25 attorney NY outpost that hires like 2 summers a year).


Even though there is a 0% chance of being hired?


As opposed to a .1% chance of being hired by Hunton & Williams or Bracewell & Giuliani in NY. If you do really well at OGI you'll regret not shooting higher.

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:31 am

RVP11 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
RVP11 wrote:If you're bidding all NYC and have top quarter grades or better, it's not a bad idea to bid all the big boys (Cravath and SullCrom included). Just throw them at the bottom of the bid list. They're better bids than what those last 5 or 10 bids would otherwise be placed on (some non-NY V100's 25 attorney NY outpost that hires like 2 summers a year).


Even though there is a 0% chance of being hired?


As opposed to a .1% chance of being hired by Hunton & Williams or Bracewell & Giuliani in NY. If you do really well at OGI you'll regret not shooting higher.


I guess my point is: should I feel good enough about my chances to where I can "shoot higher?" Is top 25% that guarunteed?

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby RVP11 » Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:45 am

Anonymous User wrote:
RVP11 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
RVP11 wrote:If you're bidding all NYC and have top quarter grades or better, it's not a bad idea to bid all the big boys (Cravath and SullCrom included). Just throw them at the bottom of the bid list. They're better bids than what those last 5 or 10 bids would otherwise be placed on (some non-NY V100's 25 attorney NY outpost that hires like 2 summers a year).


Even though there is a 0% chance of being hired?


As opposed to a .1% chance of being hired by Hunton & Williams or Bracewell & Giuliani in NY. If you do really well at OGI you'll regret not shooting higher.


I guess my point is: should I feel good enough about my chances to where I can "shoot higher?" Is top 25% that guarunteed?


I don't know anyone with top quarter or better who bid all NYC and didn't get something decent. I suppose you could still strike out if you suck at interviewing or you naturally creep people out.

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby Cavalier » Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:17 am

Anonymous User wrote:If you have Law Review GPA but no pre-law school work experience, tips/thoughts for DC? Not asking to be a douche, genuinely curious.

The problem with DC is that just about everyone on Law Review will be bidding on the same firms there, and since DC firms tend to have relatively small class sizes, your grades won't guarantee you success there. With no work experience, no ties, and so-so interviewing, it can get ugly. You should certainly bid DC if that's where you want to be, but you should also bid on a lot of NY firms to be safe.

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby denimchickn » Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:18 pm

I posted about this before, but I didn't get much of a response and I figure I'll give it another try.

I'm a transfer student from the Richmond area. I have NO desire to work in DC or NYC. Would it be bid suicide to use all my bids on Richmond/Atlanta/other small and medium sized Southern markets?

Besides Richmond, where I've lived since I was a year old, I have significant ties to Atlanta (grandparents and two sets of aunts and uncles live in the area), Kentucky (grandmother is from Louisville, mom grew up there, significant other is from Lexington), and Birmingham, AL (I was born there and my parents lived there for a while. Wouldn't mind going back.). Is my desire to stay close to home/in the South enough to convince firms in NC, SC, TN, etc. that I'm serious? Are there any firms in these markets where I wouldn't be competitive as a transfer with a 3.7+ GPA from a Top 30 school?

I know I need to talk to career services before submitting my bids, but I'd appreciate any advice.

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

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denimchickn wrote:I posted about this before, but I didn't get much of a response and I figure I'll give it another try.

I'm a transfer student from the Richmond area. I have NO desire to work in DC or NYC. Would it be bid suicide to use all my bids on Richmond/Atlanta/other small and medium sized Southern markets?

Besides Richmond, where I've lived since I was a year old, I have significant ties to Atlanta (grandparents and two sets of aunts and uncles live in the area), Kentucky (grandmother is from Louisville, mom grew up there, significant other is from Lexington), and Birmingham, AL (I was born there and my parents lived there for a while. Wouldn't mind going back.). Is my desire to stay close to home/in the South enough to convince firms in NC, SC, TN, etc. that I'm serious? Are there any firms in these markets where I wouldn't be competitive as a transfer with a 3.7+ GPA from a Top 30 school?

I know I need to talk to career services before submitting my bids, but I'd appreciate any advice.


The Birmingham firms are going to love you. If I were you I'd bid on everyone of them coming to OGI and mass mail each one of them not coming. UVa is a huge pipeline to Birmingham regardless of GPA.

If you bid on a firm and they reject you, special request them, because they might not know your Birmingham connections. Seriously. You are all but guruntted a birmingham job if you play it right.

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:29 pm

I am not sure if this has been covered, but if a firm does not ask for a cover letter on symplicity, is it a bad idea to attach one to the resume? Does the answer change with decent grades (3.6+)? Or aiming for secondary market, but ties are strong on resume?

Thanks

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby thesealocust » Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:34 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I am not sure if this has been covered, but if a firm does not ask for a cover letter on symplicity, is it a bad idea to attach one to the resume? Does the answer change with decent grades (3.6+)? Or aiming for secondary market, but ties are strong on resume?

Thanks


Yes it's a bad idea. No it doesn't change with any grades.

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:53 pm

thesealocust wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I am not sure if this has been covered, but if a firm does not ask for a cover letter on symplicity, is it a bad idea to attach one to the resume? Does the answer change with decent grades (3.6+)? Or aiming for secondary market, but ties are strong on resume?

Thanks


Yes it's a bad idea. No it doesn't change with any grades.


3.6+ is great grades. Decent grades is more like 3.3. KThnx.

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby uvahooo » Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:50 pm

Am I kind of late if I start mass mailing stuff now?

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby UVAHoo2013 » Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:53 pm

Should mailings be done via email or regular mail ?

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby Aston2412 » Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:58 pm

uvahooo wrote:Am I kind of late if I start mass mailing stuff now?


I hear mass mailings are typically done at the end of July or early August. So I think you have some time.

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:42 pm

Top 25%. Do I have the grades for Gibson Dunn (NyC) or Sidley (NyC)?

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby UVAHoo2013 » Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:08 pm

When doing mass mailings, should cover letter, transcript and resume all be attached as one .pdf file?




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