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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby bgdddymtty » Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:12 pm

Completely serious. I Wikied them and saw stuff about '09 layoffs, but if you guys are talking about them in terms of partners being terrible people, I assume it must be worse than that.

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:41 pm

bgdddymtty wrote:Completely serious. I Wikied them and saw stuff about '09 layoffs, but if you guys are talking about them in terms of partners being terrible people, I assume it must be worse than that.



read: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=159535

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby thesealocust » Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:42 am

bgdddymtty wrote:Completely serious. I Wikied them and saw stuff about '09 layoffs, but if you guys are talking about them in terms of partners being terrible people, I assume it must be worse than that.


tl;dr: The law firm model tends to not include mass layoffs. Several firms had to resort to them during the crisis, but many viewed Latham's conduct as particularly egregious. They laid off a number of first years (who had been at the firm for just a handful of months) which is both uncommon and very difficult to recover from as an associate. They also had similar things happen about a decade ago and promised it wouldn't happen again, and promised in the early stages of the crisis that it wouldn't happen.

On the one hand, it's a business, and you can't really begrudge them for cutting costs as incoming business dropped majorly. On the other hand, there are plenty of firms who either didn't have that level of financial trouble or did but conducted themselves in a manner that caused less damage to the people they'd hired.

As others have said, there's a lot more detail in the other thread.

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby desertlaw » Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:07 am

Not sure what the TLS rules are, but can you just call out a yellow puppet/muppet to make an appearance? Not sure if it/he responds to such a call. I think you need to just let it happen freely, Mr. Doritos.

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:59 am

desertlaw wrote:Going somewhat away from bidding talk, but any thoughts on practicing for interviewing that you wise rising 3L's thought was helpful? Just standing in front of mirror practicing answers or answering them in the car on the commute?

Go in there ready to set yourself apart. The usual safe questions will never hurt you ("What are the first two years as an associate like?") but they're not going to set you apart and get you an offer. OCI is you trying to get people to REMEMBER YOU. You'll have the suit, grades and credentials of most other people. Be ready to have a conversation that makes the person remember you, and that conversation isn't going to be the natural consequence of you pulling a list of questions from the internet and reciting them. You do that and your interviewer will go to the list of answers recited a thousand times and then, unless your credentials are objectively the best, you better hope that everyone was as uninteresting as you were.

tl;dr Unless you've survived a civil war, be ready to have a good substantive conversation about a legal topic (1) that you know well (2) that your interviewer will care about (3) and that you can reliably steer an interviewer towards. If you know details about the firm that will make for a good conversation, that works too, but don't think that demonstrating that you looked at the front page of their site is going to get you anywhere.

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby Doritos » Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:30 am

desertlaw wrote:Not sure what the TLS rules are, but can you just call out a yellow puppet/muppet to make an appearance? Not sure if it/he responds to such a call. I think you need to just let it happen freely, Mr. Doritos.


I wasn't sure if this is like batman and I can put out the signal when he is needed.

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby desertlaw » Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:33 pm

Doritios - that seems allowable. I withdraw my objection.

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:37 pm

Is there anyway I can find out how many rooms each firm is doing?

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:40 pm

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby desertlaw » Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:14 pm

OCS sent out a document a few weeks ago about the # of rooms that each firm is doing. A simple excel sheet would have done the trick, but it's a big PDF.

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:43 pm

That PDF doesn't have the number of rooms for a vast number of firms.

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby Doritos » Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:11 pm

References question. If someone agreed to be a reference for you during the 1L job search back in the winter should I contact them again and ask for permission to use them for OGI? I don't want to look stupid if its understood that it's fine. I know a few firms ask for recs.

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:38 pm

How selective is Dechert NY? Out of reach for top 25%?

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby bertstare » Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:03 pm

bgdddymtty wrote:What's the deal with Latham?


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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby thesealocust » Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:06 pm

Anonymous User wrote:How selective is Dechert NY? Out of reach for top 25%?


Not very selective, and not at all out of reach. You'll be in play for substantially more selective firms (though obviously nothing is certain).

bertstare wrote:
bgdddymtty wrote:What's the deal with Latham?


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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby uvahooo » Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:13 pm

Doritos wrote:References question. If someone agreed to be a reference for you during the 1L job search back in the winter should I contact them again and ask for permission to use them for OGI? I don't want to look stupid if its understood that it's fine. I know a few firms ask for recs.


Asking is always better. Happy 4th btw.

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:52 pm

Does bidding order, for lottery purposes, really matter after the first 10ish bids?

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby wackjickham » Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:53 pm

Does Allen, Allen, Allen, & Allen require a cover letter? My last name isn't Allen, FWIW.

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby thesealocust » Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:57 pm

Are they doing OGI this year? Can't tell if that's a legit question or not, since it's a legit firm and has an office like 2 miles from the school.

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby Doritos » Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:19 pm

thesealocust wrote:Are they doing OGI this year? Can't tell if that's a legit question or not, since it's a legit firm and has an office like 2 miles from the school.


Pretty sure he is kidding and no they are not doing OGI. They have practice areas called "dog bites" and "drunk driving accidents". Pretty sure they don't recruit new law students much

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby thesealocust » Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:23 pm

Doritos wrote:
thesealocust wrote:Are they doing OGI this year? Can't tell if that's a legit question or not, since it's a legit firm and has an office like 2 miles from the school.


Pretty sure he is kidding and no they are not doing OGI. They have practice areas called "dog bites" and "drunk driving accidents". Pretty sure they don't recruit new law students much


I'm all about making fun of things, but the firm has 2 dozen or so attorneys, and 4/5 of the currently employed Allens went to UVA law. They also appear to make skads of money. It's not the traditional route, but I'd hesitate at least a little before throwing them under the LOLtrain.

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby UVAHoo2013 » Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:29 pm

thesealocust wrote:
Doritos wrote:
thesealocust wrote:Are they doing OGI this year? Can't tell if that's a legit question or not, since it's a legit firm and has an office like 2 miles from the school.


Pretty sure he is kidding and no they are not doing OGI. They have practice areas called "dog bites" and "drunk driving accidents". Pretty sure they don't recruit new law students much


I'm all about making fun of things, but the firm has 2 dozen or so attorneys, and 4/5 of the currently employed Allens went to UVA law. They also appear to make skads of money. It's not the traditional route, but I'd hesitate at least a little before throwing them under the LOLtrain.


Any firm with an office that close to a Chick-Fil-A is safe from my LOLtrain

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby omg » Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:30 pm

thesealocust wrote:
Doritos wrote:
thesealocust wrote:Are they doing OGI this year? Can't tell if that's a legit question or not, since it's a legit firm and has an office like 2 miles from the school.


Pretty sure he is kidding and no they are not doing OGI. They have practice areas called "dog bites" and "drunk driving accidents". Pretty sure they don't recruit new law students much


I'm all about making fun of things, but the firm has 2 dozen or so attorneys, and 4/5 of the currently employed Allens went to UVA law. They also appear to make skads of money. It's not the traditional route, but I'd hesitate at least a little before throwing them under the LOLtrain.


Yea, some of their areas are less legit than others, but if you want to practice high-end (for VA) plaintiff's law in VA, they're about as good as it gets. And a lot of them make bank.

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby uvahooo » Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:53 pm

UVAHoo2013 wrote:
thesealocust wrote:
Doritos wrote:
thesealocust wrote:Are they doing OGI this year? Can't tell if that's a legit question or not, since it's a legit firm and has an office like 2 miles from the school.


Pretty sure he is kidding and no they are not doing OGI. They have practice areas called "dog bites" and "drunk driving accidents". Pretty sure they don't recruit new law students much


I'm all about making fun of things, but the firm has 2 dozen or so attorneys, and 4/5 of the currently employed Allens went to UVA law. They also appear to make skads of money. It's not the traditional route, but I'd hesitate at least a little before throwing them under the LOLtrain.


Any firm with an office that close to a Chick-Fil-A is safe from my LOLtrain


I saw an Allen sign when I was driving to cville a few weeks ago to pick up some stuff.

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Re: UVa OGI 2011 thread

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:01 pm

Is Paul Weiss worth bidding on with Top 25% grades?




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