Mich OCI 2011 Forum

[Anonymous User]

does anyone have the #'s we're supposed to call to schedule callbacks at debevoise NY and hogan lovells DC? i feel majorly dumb, but i wrote them down on a piece of paper i lost. obviously i don't want to be the jerk on law open asking for that info, and don't want to tell the attorneys i lost it if possible. not sure of a better solution (but i'm open to suggestions).

Did anyone get a Debevoise CB from JB?

Yeah

[Anonymous User]

Don't apologize. There is no reason for any of us to have animosity toward each other. Tensions are high and it's easy to snap and look for blame but no one is at fault here.

News flash, we're on a curve. I think animosity is appropriate.

It's unfortunate that you feel that way.

As a transfer I would like to wish you the best of luck and I really hope your position on us changes once you inevitably find a job.

Like I said before, I think people are frustrated and upset so as a transfers I can see why that poster lashed out. I'm certianly, but I'm blaming myself for not interviewing well and not my transfer/native classmates who have been nothing but awesome so far and deserve the CB's they are getting. I also plan to be bothering OCP daily until they hate me more than my interviewers apparently did .

haha ditto.

[Anonymous User]

Don't apologize. There is no reason for any of us to have animosity toward each other. Tensions are high and it's easy to snap and look for blame but no one is at fault here.

News flash, we're on a curve. I think animosity is appropriate.

I'm not at Michigan, but a couple observations:

(1) The people who complain about or are openly hostile toward transfers are the type of people who probably wouldn't have terrific career prospects, transfers or no. Maybe you should complain about your other classmates doing better on exams than you and inevitably "turkin all yur jerbs."

(2) While there are a sea of lawyers out there, karma is a real danger and can be a bitch. Don't start off your professional career by treating some of your classmates like second-class citizens. Especially when talking about the elite schools and firms, you might be running across some of the same faces for decades. Your behavior will be remembered by many.

[Anonymous User]

Don't apologize. There is no reason for any of us to have animosity toward each other. Tensions are high and it's easy to snap and look for blame but no one is at fault here.

News flash, we're on a curve. I think animosity is appropriate.

I'm not at Michigan, but a couple observations:

(1) The people who complain about or are openly hostile toward transfers are the type of people who probably wouldn't have terrific career prospects, transfers or no. Maybe you should complain about your other classmates doing better on exams than you and inevitably "turkin all yur jerbs."

(2) While there are a sea of lawyers out there, karma is a real danger and can be a bitch. Don't start off your professional career by treating some of your classmates like second-class citizens. Especially when talking about the elite schools and firms, you might be running across some of the same faces for decades. Your behavior will be remembered by many.

I have a small handful of callbacks...but I do for one feel as though the students who transfer should not be allowed to attend OCI as 2Ls at all. They should go as 3Ls, or have to contact the firms on their own to arrange interviews. If Michigan actually cared about its own students (those who paid a year's worth of tuition) getting jobs it would do a little more to protect them from having to deal with a difficult economy AND a new crop of top notch students throwing their names into the ring for a job.

But, as usual, the school gets the best of both worlds. They can bolster their revenues with a group of new students, while at the same time not taking a hit at all on their statistics for GPA and LSAT scores. The ones who take the hit are the people who were busting ass against a group of people who made it in the first time around (thus inevitably facing stiffer competition than the transfers faced). Granted, a 3.8 at XYZ school is not a 3.8 at Michigan, but I doubt employers care all that much because they can still slap "Michigan Law" on the associate bio.

In conclusion, there is absolutely no reason to direct animosity AT the transfer students themselves. They are just trying to get a job like everyone else and the ones I have met have been really cool. But the system perhaps should be slanted to give us Wolverines a leg up.

[Anonymous User]

I have a small handful of callbacks...but I do for one feel as though the students who transfer should not be allowed to attend OCI as 2Ls at all. They should go as 3Ls, or have to contact the firms on their own to arrange interviews. If Michigan actually cared about its own students (those who paid a year's worth of tuition) getting jobs it would do a little more to protect them from having to deal with a difficult economy AND a new crop of top notch students throwing their names into the ring for a job.

But, as usual, the school gets the best of both worlds. They can bolster their revenues with a group of new students, while at the same time not taking a hit at all on their statistics for GPA and LSAT scores. The ones who take the hit are the people who were busting ass against a group of people who made it in the first time around (thus inevitably facing stiffer competition than the transfers faced). Granted, a 3.8 at XYZ school is not a 3.8 at Michigan, but I doubt employers care all that much because they can still slap "Michigan Law" on the associate bio.

In conclusion, there is absolutely no reason to direct animosity AT the transfer students themselves. They are just trying to get a job like everyone else and the ones I have met have been really cool. But the system perhaps should be slanted to give us Wolverines a leg up.

95% of T14 transfers would not actually transfer if they were not allowed to participate in 2L OCI. It's part of the school's revenue stream, and in fact it is not only the school that benefits, but the existing students benefit as well - they all pay full price and defray everyone's tuition. I doubt the majority of students would be willing to pay substantially more tuition in exchange for not allowing transfers in.

[Anonymous User]

People with top grades also transfer out of Michigan.

[Anonymous User]

If you have something to say to the transfers, please contact them directly at umlstransfer@googlegroups.com. You're embarrassing my school and I do not appreciate it.

[goodolgil]

All you guys need to settle down.

And we really don't have a good way of knowing whether transfers are rocking OCI or not. All talk of "trends" at this point is just hearsay.

[JRD]

People need to slow their proverbial roll.

[Anonymous User]

Go Blue!

[JetstoRJC]

FWIW, I think only one poster had negative comments about transfers at OCI and the rest of the comments have kind of snowballed out of control defending the transfers. Perhaps time to put the topic to rest?

On another note, I don't believe calls go out on the weekend so hopefully everybody can enjoy today and tomorrow and decompress from interviews.

[Anonymous User]

FWIW, I think only one poster had negative comments about transfers at OCI and the rest of the comments have kind of snowballed out of control defending the transfers. Perhaps time to put the topic to rest?

On another note, I don't believe calls go out on the weekend so hopefully everybody can enjoy today and tomorrow and decompress from interviews.

Not entirely true. CB from Cravath this morning.

[existenz]

Not entirely true. CB from Cravath this morning.

Of course the Cravath folks would be working on a Saturday during a hurricane.

[keg411]

All you guys need to settle down.

And we really don't have a good way of knowing whether transfers are rocking OCI or not. All talk of "trends" at this point is just hearsay.

+1. I have posted multiple times ITT that I have NO CB's through OCI so far.

Not entirely true. CB from Cravath this morning.

Of course the Cravath folks would be working on a Saturday during a hurricane.

[Anonymous User]

anybody know the names of the Chadbourne interviewers? I missed mine and was told to send out an apology e-mail. Symplicity site says it was "CR," just wanted to verify

[Anonymous User]

anybody know the names of the Chadbourne interviewers? I missed mine and was told to send out an apology e-mail. Symplicity site says it was "CR," just wanted to verify

I believe her name was Cristi Rodriguez, but not 100% sure. Sorry.

[Anonymous User]

anybody know the names of the Chadbourne interviewers? I missed mine and was told to send out an apology e-mail. Symplicity site says it was "CR," just wanted to verify

I believe her name was Cristi Rodriguez, but not 100% sure. Sorry.

Same poster. Her name is Christy Rivera. Just confirmed on their website.

[Anonymous User]

All you guys need to settle down.

And we really don't have a good way of knowing whether transfers are rocking OCI or not. All talk of "trends" at this point is just hearsay.

Well let me give you a good way, first hand knowledge. Just of the 7 transfers I know, each has already received between 5 and 9 callbacks. Also a transfer, I have received 11.

[Anonymous User]

Updated List (alphabetized):
Arnold & Porter
Cadwalader
Clifford Chance
DPW
Debevoise
Dechert (PH)
Jones Day (NY, CH)
Fried Frank (NY)
GDC (DC dinner)
Kasowitz
Kirkland (CH)
Kramer Levin
Latham (NY, CH, DC)
Mayer Brown (CH, NY)
McDermott
Milbank
Patterson Belknap
Paul Weiss (dinner)
Proskauer (NY)
Quinn Emanuel (dinner)
Schulte
Seward & Kissel
Shearman
STB
Skadden
S&C
Sutherland
Vinson & Elkins (DC)
Winston (CH, DC)
White & Case
Weil (dinner)
Willkie

Not sure if anyone has reported these, but Gibson DC, Sidley DC and Wilmer DC CBs last week.

[Anonymous User]

Updated List (alphabetized):
Arnold & Porter
Cadwalader
Clifford Chance
DPW
Debevoise
Dechert (PH)
Jones Day (NY, CH)
Fried Frank (NY)
GDC (DC dinner)
Kasowitz
Kirkland (CH)
Kramer Levin
Latham (NY, CH, DC)
Mayer Brown (CH, NY)
McDermott
Milbank
Patterson Belknap
Paul Weiss (dinner)
Proskauer (NY)
Quinn Emanuel (dinner)
Schulte
Seward & Kissel
Shearman
STB
Skadden
S&C
Sutherland
Vinson & Elkins (DC)
Winston (CH, DC)
White & Case
Weil (dinner)
Willkie

Not sure if anyone has reported these, but Gibson DC, Sidley DC and Wilmer DC CBs last week.

Also Jones Day DC.

[Anonymous User]

Don't apologize. There is no reason for any of us to have animosity toward each other. Tensions are high and it's easy to snap and look for blame but no one is at fault here.

News flash, we're on a curve. I think animosity is appropriate.

I'm not at Michigan, but a couple observations:

(1) The people who complain about or are openly hostile toward transfers are the type of people who probably wouldn't have terrific career prospects, transfers or no. Maybe you should complain about your other classmates doing better on exams than you and inevitably "turkin all yur jerbs."

(2) While there are a sea of lawyers out there, karma is a real danger and can be a bitch. Don't start off your professional career by treating some of your classmates like second-class citizens. Especially when talking about the elite schools and firms, you might be running across some of the same faces for decades. Your behavior will be remembered by many.

I have a small handful of callbacks...but I do for one feel as though the students who transfer should not be allowed to attend OCI as 2Ls at all. They should go as 3Ls, or have to contact the firms on their own to arrange interviews. If Michigan actually cared about its own students (those who paid a year's worth of tuition) getting jobs it would do a little more to protect them from having to deal with a difficult economy AND a new crop of top notch students throwing their names into the ring for a job.

But, as usual, the school gets the best of both worlds. They can bolster their revenues with a group of new students, while at the same time not taking a hit at all on their statistics for GPA and LSAT scores. The ones who take the hit are the people who were busting ass against a group of people who made it in the first time around (thus inevitably facing stiffer competition than the transfers faced). Granted, a 3.8 at XYZ school is not a 3.8 at Michigan, but I doubt employers care all that much because they can still slap "Michigan Law" on the associate bio.

In conclusion, there is absolutely no reason to direct animosity AT the transfer students themselves. They are just trying to get a job like everyone else and the ones I have met have been really cool. But the system perhaps should be slanted to give us Wolverines a leg up.

You probably should have just done better on your exams so that you don't have to struggle for excuses as to why you are not getting called back. Maybe you are a crappy interviewer...not sure the transfers had anything to do with your interview skills, but who knows.

[Anonymous User]

Also Jones Day DC.

Interviewer initials?

[Anonymous User]

Also Jones Day DC.

Interviewer initials?

I had two - BH & CC.

[Anonymous User]

Updated List (alphabetized):
Arnold & Porter
Cadwalader
Clifford Chance
DPW
Debevoise
Dechert (PH)
Jones Day (NY, CH)
Fried Frank (NY)
GDC (DC dinner)
Kasowitz
Kirkland (CH)
Kramer Levin
Latham (NY, CH, DC)
Mayer Brown (CH, NY)
McDermott
Milbank
Patterson Belknap
Paul Weiss (dinner)
Proskauer (NY)
Quinn Emanuel (dinner)
Schulte
Seward & Kissel
Shearman
STB
Skadden
S&C
Sutherland
Vinson & Elkins (DC)
Winston (CH, DC)
White & Case
Weil (dinner)
Willkie

Not sure if anyone has reported these, but Gibson DC, Sidley DC and Wilmer DC CBs last week.

Cravath also went out. However, although Paul Weiss did go out (callback plus dinner), Quinn Emanuel was just dinner with no callbacks yet as far as I know. I also haven't heard anything about Davis Polk going out.

[Anonymous User]

All you guys need to settle down.

And we really don't have a good way of knowing whether transfers are rocking OCI or not. All talk of "trends" at this point is just hearsay.

Well let me give you a good way, first hand knowledge. Just of the 7 transfers I know, each has already received between 5 and 9 callbacks. Also a transfer, I have received 11.

I guess the transfers I have been talking with are not among the 7 that you know. Things are not so peachy for everyone...