
Where does this put me in the class? Def. below average...maybe bottom 1/3?
What are my NYC biglaw chances? What firms should I be targeting for OCI?
You mean top 33 and top 50%? That doesn't seem right at all.englawyer wrote:i think 8P/2H is somewhere between 33% and 50%.
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Oh good call. That definitely makes sense.A Purple Cow wrote:I think he meant between the 33rd and 50th percentiles, which sounds about right with 2 Hs and no LPs.
exactly. it seemed awkward to say between top 50% and top 66% haha.A Purple Cow wrote:I think he meant between the 33rd and 50th percentiles, which sounds about right with 2 Hs and no LPs.
Yes. It's not very likely that below median at HLS will get a V10, but HLS places > 70% in Biglaw annually.lawyerwannabe wrote:re: voters you said V10 in the poll
Wait. You can be below median at HLS and snag not only V100 SA job but possibly V10? But, at the lower T-14, if you are below median, you are probably not even going to get a V100 SA job at all!?
You won't get Jones Day or Ropes & Gray. Unsure about Paul Hastings, but that seems like you'd be out as well. I knew people last year with better grades who didn't get callbacks at these firms (who were otherwise personable people). You should probably look around V50 firms as a target.Anonymous User wrote:OP here. Any rising 2Ls know specifically which firms will take these grades? Anyone know about chances at Jones Day, Ropes & Gray, Paul Hastings? I have fairly strong involvement in a secondary journal, and I'm involved in a couple of other campus activities. I'm a fairly good interviewer--not socially awkward.
And also, can someone tell me wtf it takes to do well on exams? Clearly, I'm doing it wrong.
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Seems unnecessarily conservative for HLS...Anonymous User wrote:You won't get Jones Day or Ropes & Gray. Unsure about Paul Hastings, but that seems like you'd be out as well. I knew people last year with better grades who didn't get callbacks at these firms (who were otherwise personable people). You should probably look around V50 firms as a target.Anonymous User wrote:OP here. Any rising 2Ls know specifically which firms will take these grades? Anyone know about chances at Jones Day, Ropes & Gray, Paul Hastings? I have fairly strong involvement in a secondary journal, and I'm involved in a couple of other campus activities. I'm a fairly good interviewer--not socially awkward.
And also, can someone tell me wtf it takes to do well on exams? Clearly, I'm doing it wrong.
HLS has ~560 students per year and OP is probably in the bottom 40%. Given that 330ish HLS kids are above him, I don't think it's conservative.Anonymous User wrote:Seems unnecessarily conservative for HLS...Anonymous User wrote:You won't get Jones Day or Ropes & Gray. Unsure about Paul Hastings, but that seems like you'd be out as well. I knew people last year with better grades who didn't get callbacks at these firms (who were otherwise personable people). You should probably look around V50 firms as a target.Anonymous User wrote:OP here. Any rising 2Ls know specifically which firms will take these grades? Anyone know about chances at Jones Day, Ropes & Gray, Paul Hastings? I have fairly strong involvement in a secondary journal, and I'm involved in a couple of other campus activities. I'm a fairly good interviewer--not socially awkward.
And also, can someone tell me wtf it takes to do well on exams? Clearly, I'm doing it wrong.
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Given what I stated above, in addition to the fact that I work at one of the above firms, I don't think it's unnecessarily conservative based on what firms were looking for during EIP 2010. If it's loosened up, then the OP will benefit. Certainly the OP could bid on those firms as reaches, but I don't think they are appropriate targets.Anonymous User wrote:Seems unnecessarily conservative for HLS...Anonymous User wrote:You won't get Jones Day or Ropes & Gray. Unsure about Paul Hastings, but that seems like you'd be out as well. I knew people last year with better grades who didn't get callbacks at these firms (who were otherwise personable people). You should probably look around V50 firms as a target.Anonymous User wrote:OP here. Any rising 2Ls know specifically which firms will take these grades? Anyone know about chances at Jones Day, Ropes & Gray, Paul Hastings? I have fairly strong involvement in a secondary journal, and I'm involved in a couple of other campus activities. I'm a fairly good interviewer--not socially awkward.
And also, can someone tell me wtf it takes to do well on exams? Clearly, I'm doing it wrong.
So, you don't think that there would be a difference in a person's job prospects--who is demonstrably below median--if that person was above median? That's . . . odd.APimpNamedSlickback wrote:I seriously doubt that our grading system lends itself to this kind of analysis. Do you really think that just two more Hs, which presumably be enough to catapult op over median, would really be enough to drastically change his job prospects? I doubt it.
Our grading system simply doesnt allow for those kinds of fine distinctions between people outside of the top and bottom 20%. My guess is that so much turns on stuff other than grades for the vast majority of students. Thus, I doubt an analysis of whether some dude is at he 40th 50th or 60th percentile is very useful. At least that is my fairly substantiated opinion, although of course feel free to disagree...
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Any idea how we get this kind of info? Does HLS publish any info regarding what sort of grades firms are looking for? Everything is so vague...GeePee wrote:Depends on the firm is the sense I've gotten. At firms with reputations for grade snobbiness and hard cutoffs I'd imagine the second is more likely though.
Do you think there is a difference in this advice for someone with 1H as opposed to 2? Or is V50 still accurate?Anonymous User wrote:You won't get Jones Day or Ropes & Gray. Unsure about Paul Hastings, but that seems like you'd be out as well. I knew people last year with better grades who didn't get callbacks at these firms (who were otherwise personable people). You should probably look around V50 firms as a target.Anonymous User wrote:OP here. Any rising 2Ls know specifically which firms will take these grades? Anyone know about chances at Jones Day, Ropes & Gray, Paul Hastings? I have fairly strong involvement in a secondary journal, and I'm involved in a couple of other campus activities. I'm a fairly good interviewer--not socially awkward.
And also, can someone tell me wtf it takes to do well on exams? Clearly, I'm doing it wrong.
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