Re: Let's talk about Atlanta!
Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:39 pm
Offers are out.Anonymous User wrote:Anyone has baker hostetler offer?
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Offers are out.Anonymous User wrote:Anyone has baker hostetler offer?
AGG is done per an internal e-mail reported in the AGG CB----->Offer threadAnonymous User wrote:any movement on either AGG or SGR? had phone screener with former and cb with latter, both over a week ago and total radio silence.
Haven't heard from them since my screener. womp.Anonymous User wrote:Baker Donelson movement?
Let me Google that for you.Anonymous User wrote:Does anyone know the starting (and/or subsequent) salaries at Troutman, Baker, or K&S?
Sorry, left out two important letters.North wrote:Let me Google that for you.Anonymous User wrote:Does anyone know the starting (and/or subsequent) salaries at Troutman, Baker, or K&S?
King & Spalding: $135,000
Troutman: $145,000
Baker Hostetler: $140,000
Baker Donelson: probably $120,000
It is accurate. "market" for non IP has been $135k in ATL for quite a while.Anonymous User wrote:Is this salary figure accurate? I though the market salary is 145,000.
http://www.dailyreportonline.com/id=120 ... -Recession
This question is really open endedAnonymous User wrote:I just noticed that Troutman is not on NALP. Are there any other Atlanta firms that I should definitely be aware of and are not on NALP before I mass-mail on Dec. 1?
160kAnonymous User wrote:Sorry, left out two important letters.North wrote:Let me Google that for you.Anonymous User wrote:Does anyone know the starting (and/or subsequent) salaries at Troutman, Baker, or K&S?
King & Spalding: $135,000
Troutman: $145,000
Baker Hostetler: $140,000
Baker Donelson: probably $120,000
Starting *IP* salaries.
I don't think it is, don't have current numbers.fats provolone wrote:i don't think k&s IP is 160, unless that changed recently
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Lock-step? 1st Year IP Min. Hours
Alston & Bird Yes, 160 1900
Kilpatrick Townsend Merit? 160 1900
Finnegan Yes, 160 1920+80 pro bono
Fish & Richardson Yes, 160 1900
DLA Piper 160
Dow Lohnes Yes 160
Ballard Spahr Combination lock-step/merit 150 1900
Jones Day No 150 2000 (2013 avg 2259)
Paul Hastings Yes 150 2000
Sutherland 1st, 2nd yr, then merit 145 + 15 deferred 1950+450 firm develop
Baker Hoestetler No? 140 1950
Hunton & Williams Combination145
AGG Combination, range 135 1800
Troutman Sanders Merit 135 (IP?)
Merchant & Gould Combination 125
Smith Gambrell Combination 125 (IP?)
No real differences on a firm-wide basis; you're splitting hairs. People say that K&S is more intense hours-wise and more formal, but I really don't think there's a difference in practice. The associates I know at both firms are billing a lot, and their QOL depends on which partners they work for, not whether they're at A&B or K&S. Both firms have practice groups that are known to be very hard on associates, but it's more of a practice group thing. For example, I have a friend at A&B. He really enjoys working there, but other associates in the same group and same sub-specialty are super miserable because they work for an insane partner. (Moral of this story: do your diligence on who you're going to work for).Anonymous User wrote:can anybody comment on the culture of King & Spalding v. Alston & Bird? Or the perception of their predominate practice groups, compensation, etc... How are both perceived in Atlanta? How are they both perceived in NYC?
Pretty much confirmed what I have heard: KS is a sweat shop. Do u know anything about Troutman? I know it is not as prestigious (or compensation) as KS or AB, but I heard there is a good life work balance over there.Omerta wrote:No real differences on a firm-wide basis; you're splitting hairs. People say that K&S is more intense hours-wise and more formal, but I really don't think there's a difference in practice. The associates I know at both firms are billing a lot, and their QOL depends on which partners they work for, not whether they're at A&B or K&S. Both firms have practice groups that are known to be very hard on associates, but it's more of a practice group thing. For example, I have a friend at A&B. He really enjoys working there, but other associates in the same group and same sub-specialty are super miserable because they work for an insane partner. (Moral of this story: do your diligence on who you're going to work for).Anonymous User wrote:can anybody comment on the culture of King & Spalding v. Alston & Bird? Or the perception of their predominate practice groups, compensation, etc... How are both perceived in Atlanta? How are they both perceived in NYC?
Both firms have roughly equivalent perceptions among lawyers and non-lawyers are well-regarded in ATL. Can't say anything about NY impressions. My personal impression is that I wasn't very impressed with their work product (I'm a clerk). It wasn't horrible, but I wouldn't pay the rates they charge if that's what I got.
As for practice groups, they're generally highly-regarded and differentiated only in terms of who their client base is. For example, K&S does more debtor-side bankruptcy work while A&B does more creditor-side stuff. K&S has a phenomenal products liability group, but A&B is much better for privacy and data breach litigation. K&S probably wins on leveraged finance, and A&B has a slightly stronger M&A team. I think trying to compare them for "quality" is a waste of time; it's more about sub-specialties that I doubt someone could make a meaningful/informed decision unless you are really into a specific field of law.
As for compensation, they both start at ATL market. I believe A&B has more salary compression as you advance but don't have firsthand knowledge.
What is salary compression?Omerta wrote: As for compensation, they both start at ATL market. I believe A&B has more salary compression as you advance but don't have firsthand knowledge.