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Re: Let's talk about Atlanta!

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:24 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Hi guys, I'm the OP. Atlanta was a fucking wasteland last year and I was unable to get a SA spot there. Fortunately, I did in another city. For all those trying, I can't stress enough to plan on not getting a spot in ATL and also concentrating heavily on home markets and NY.


school and class rank if you don't mind?? thanks for the insight-heard ATL can be brutal.

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Re: Let's talk about Atlanta!

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:46 pm

Obtainable with good grades from good / regional schools and ties to the south generally.

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Re: Let's talk about Atlanta!

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:06 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Hi guys, I'm the OP. Atlanta was a fucking wasteland last year and I was unable to get a SA spot there. Fortunately, I did in another city. For all those trying, I can't stress enough to plan on not getting a spot in ATL and also concentrating heavily on home markets and NY.


school and class rank if you don't mind?? thanks for the insight-heard ATL can be brutal.


One of UGA/Emory, top 5%. I had tons of callbacks, but I couldn't seal the deal there. Definitely not due to awkwardness, I had over 20 callbacks total and I fall squarely into the good old boy category. I also don't believe my performance is totally indicative of ATL -- plenty of people with way worse grades than I have got offers -- so don't freak out too bad. But IMO basically nobody should expect an offer from an ATL firm.

Unlike other markets like NY, it's basically impossible to determine how you'll do based on your grades/stats alone.

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Re: Let's talk about Atlanta!

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:39 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Bump for 2012.


Seconded. Top 20%ish at Vandy, what firms do I have the best shot at in ATL? Ties consist of some family in the city and going to undergrad and law school in the South.


If you're a nice person, you have a very good shot at Alston & Bird.

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Re: Let's talk about Atlanta!

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:38 am

anyone get any interviews with atlanta firms at SIPJF?

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Re: Let's talk about Atlanta!

Postby fatduck » Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:58 am

Anonymous User wrote:anyone get any interviews with atlanta firms at SIPJF?

yea i got a few. not kilpatrick though, sadly.

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Re: Let's talk about Atlanta!

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:35 am

Something to keep in mind about Atlanta is that the callback-to-offer ratio is much tougher than NY. Where as in NY it might be 80-90%, I know at least one firm that only offered about 30-40% of callbacks. So you cannot let up once you get in the door.

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Re: Let's talk about Atlanta!

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:23 am

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Anonymous User wrote:Hi guys, I'm the OP. Atlanta was a fucking wasteland last year and I was unable to get a SA spot there. Fortunately, I did in another city. For all those trying, I can't stress enough to plan on not getting a spot in ATL and also concentrating heavily on home markets and NY.


school and class rank if you don't mind?? thanks for the insight-heard ATL can be brutal.


I have been hearing differing things.. at my HYS our market consultants have told us that most of the major ATL firms (not including Bondurant, Sutherland, and the smaller elite boutiques) will go into the bottom third of the class if you have ties to the south and a real interest in being in ATL.

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Re: Let's talk about Atlanta!

Postby rad lulz » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:32 am

Anonymous User wrote:Hi guys, I'm the OP. Atlanta was a fucking wasteland last year and I was unable to get a SA spot there. Fortunately, I did in another city. For all those trying, I can't stress enough to plan on not getting a spot in ATL and also concentrating heavily on home markets and NY.

This. Fucking wasteland.

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Re: Let's talk about Atlanta!

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:17 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Hi guys, I'm the OP. Atlanta was a fucking wasteland last year and I was unable to get a SA spot there. Fortunately, I did in another city. For all those trying, I can't stress enough to plan on not getting a spot in ATL and also concentrating heavily on home markets and NY.

This. Fucking wasteland.


Im shocked people are so pessimistic. Maybe it varies wildly by school because I have middle third grades at a HYS and a decent resume (corporate leaning) but recruiters/legal staffing consultants, who shouldn't be biased, are making it seem like ATL is clamoring for students from top schools regardless of grades.

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Re: Let's talk about Atlanta!

Postby prezidentv8 » Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:48 pm

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Re: Let's talk about Atlanta!

Postby rad lulz » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:01 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Hi guys, I'm the OP. Atlanta was a fucking wasteland last year and I was unable to get a SA spot there. Fortunately, I did in another city. For all those trying, I can't stress enough to plan on not getting a spot in ATL and also concentrating heavily on home markets and NY.

This. Fucking wasteland.


Im shocked people are so pessimistic. Maybe it varies wildly by school because I have middle third grades at a HYS and a decent resume (corporate leaning) but recruiters/legal staffing consultants, who shouldn't be biased, are making it seem like ATL is clamoring for students from top schools regardless of grades.

They are not. I don't know what it's like at HYS, but the firms last year were just scooping up dudebros at southern schools with awesome grades. Ties didn't seem to matter that much if you were at a Southern school; it was more about grades.

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Re: Let's talk about Atlanta!

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:03 pm

Does Emory place well in Atl?

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Re: Let's talk about Atlanta!

Postby Ruxin1 » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:05 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Does Emory place well in Atl?


If you have top grades.

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Re: Let's talk about Atlanta!

Postby rad lulz » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:25 pm

Ruxin1 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Does Emory place well in Atl?


If you have top grades.

This.

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Re: Let's talk about Atlanta!

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:15 am

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Anonymous User wrote:Hi guys, I'm the OP. Atlanta was a fucking wasteland last year and I was unable to get a SA spot there. Fortunately, I did in another city. For all those trying, I can't stress enough to plan on not getting a spot in ATL and also concentrating heavily on home markets and NY.


school and class rank if you don't mind?? thanks for the insight-heard ATL can be brutal.


I have been hearing differing things.. at my HYS our market consultants have told us that most of the major ATL firms (not including Bondurant, Sutherland, and the smaller elite boutiques) will go into the bottom third of the class if you have ties to the south and a real interest in being in ATL.

Your parenthetical is odd. Are you sure this is what they said? Sutherland is probably one of the least grade conscious Atlanta firms. And it's hardly a "boutique"...

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Re: Let's talk about Atlanta!

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:18 am

Anonymous User wrote:Does anyone know anything about the recent King and Spalding 3L hiring? They've done it for 2 years in a row now.

Also, anyone have any comments on K&S in general?

Since the crash, K&S has been very conservative with summer hiring. They made summer offers very late one year so they didn't get as many people as they wanted (many had already accepted earlier-arriving offers from peer firms). And they have kept their class size considerably smaller than A&B and other firms that have ramped up a bit. (Compare a dozen or so for the past few years to over 20 this year at A&B). So they have done 3L hiring because the work has increased. Pretty simple explanation.

As for general comments, I'm not sure what you're after. It is a good firm, most of the things you hear about it are fairly accurate.

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Re: Let's talk about Atlanta!

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:00 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
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Anonymous User wrote:Hi guys, I'm the OP. Atlanta was a fucking wasteland last year and I was unable to get a SA spot there. Fortunately, I did in another city. For all those trying, I can't stress enough to plan on not getting a spot in ATL and also concentrating heavily on home markets and NY.


school and class rank if you don't mind?? thanks for the insight-heard ATL can be brutal.


I have been hearing differing things.. at my HYS our market consultants have told us that most of the major ATL firms (not including Bondurant, Sutherland, and the smaller elite boutiques) will go into the bottom third of the class if you have ties to the south and a real interest in being in ATL.

Your parenthetical is odd. Are you sure this is what they said? Sutherland is probably one of the least grade conscious Atlanta firms. And it's hardly a "boutique"...


Yea I didn't mean to include Sutherland in "smaller elite boutiques." They referred to Sutherland as "selective" but I am not certain whether they meant grade selective specifically. No one ever goes to Sutherland from here (data shows people didn't go even in boom times) so the consultants are pretty much all I have to go on.

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Re: Let's talk about Atlanta!

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:55 pm

Anonymous User wrote:school and class rank if you don't mind?? thanks for the insight-heard ATL can be brutal.

Your parenthetical is odd. Are you sure this is what they said? Sutherland is probably one of the least grade conscious Atlanta firms. And it's hardly a "boutique"...[/quote]

Yea I didn't mean to include Sutherland in "smaller elite boutiques." They referred to Sutherland as "selective" but I am not certain whether they meant grade selective specifically. No one ever goes to Sutherland from here (data shows people didn't go even in boom times) so the consultants are pretty much all I have to go on.[/quote]

I agree with you saying Sutherland isn't a boutique, but I definitely think it's more grade selective than Troutman/Kilpatrick/A+B.

My Atlanta ranking by grade selectivity would look something like this:

Band lulz don't even bother: Bondurant

Band 1: K&S, Sutherland, Troutman, Jones Day

Band 2: Kilpatrick, A+B

Band 3: Paul Hastings

Band 4: all other biglaw

Obviously not a total list, but that's about how I felt that it broke down last year.

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Re: Let's talk about Atlanta!

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:13 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:school and class rank if you don't mind?? thanks for the insight-heard ATL can be brutal.

Your parenthetical is odd. Are you sure this is what they said? Sutherland is probably one of the least grade conscious Atlanta firms. And it's hardly a "boutique"...


Yea I didn't mean to include Sutherland in "smaller elite boutiques." They referred to Sutherland as "selective" but I am not certain whether they meant grade selective specifically. No one ever goes to Sutherland from here (data shows people didn't go even in boom times) so the consultants are pretty much all I have to go on.


I agree with you saying Sutherland isn't a boutique, but I definitely think it's more grade selective than Troutman/Kilpatrick/A+B.

My Atlanta ranking by grade selectivity would look something like this:

Band lulz don't even bother: Bondurant

Band 1: K&S, Sutherland, Troutman, Jones Day

Band 2: Kilpatrick, A+B

Band 3: Paul Hastings

Band 4: all other biglaw

Obviously not a total list, but that's about how I felt that it broke down last year.
Disagree. Sutherland is not that selective, Troutman is even less selective, and A&B is about on par with K&S in terms of selectivity, maybe a tiny bit less.

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Re: Let's talk about Atlanta!

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:07 pm

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Yea I didn't mean to include Sutherland in "smaller elite boutiques." They referred to Sutherland as "selective" but I am not certain whether they meant grade selective specifically. No one ever goes to Sutherland from here (data shows people didn't go even in boom times) so the consultants are pretty much all I have to go on.


I agree with you saying Sutherland isn't a boutique, but I definitely think it's more grade selective than Troutman/Kilpatrick/A+B.

My Atlanta ranking by grade selectivity would look something like this:

Band lulz don't even bother: Bondurant

Band 1: K&S, Sutherland, Troutman, Jones Day

Band 2: Kilpatrick, A+B

Band 3: Paul Hastings

Band 4: all other biglaw

Obviously not a total list, but that's about how I felt that it broke down last year.
Disagree. Sutherland is not that selective, Troutman is even less selective, and A&B is about on par with K&S in terms of selectivity, maybe a tiny bit less.


Yeah, these "bands" seem fairly far off. Troutman and Sutherland are nowhere NEAR as selective as K&S.


I think it probably goes something like:

Bondurant
K&S
A+B / Kilpatrick / Jones Day
Sutherland
Troutman

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Re: Let's talk about Atlanta!

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:21 pm

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I agree with you saying Sutherland isn't a boutique, but I definitely think it's more grade selective than Troutman/Kilpatrick/A+B.

My Atlanta ranking by grade selectivity would look something like this:

Band lulz don't even bother: Bondurant

Band 1: K&S, Sutherland, Troutman, Jones Day

Band 2: Kilpatrick, A+B

Band 3: Paul Hastings

Band 4: all other biglaw

Obviously not a total list, but that's about how I felt that it broke down last year.
Disagree. Sutherland is not that selective, Troutman is even less selective, and A&B is about on par with K&S in terms of selectivity, maybe a tiny bit less.


Yeah, these "bands" seem fairly far off. Troutman and Sutherland are nowhere NEAR as selective as K&S.


I think it probably goes something like:

Bondurant
K&S
A+B / Kilpatrick / Jones Day
Sutherland
Troutman

Disagreer from above: I agree with this. I think the original poster (in this chain of quotes) was confused by Sutherland and Troutman because they are much more southern than the other big Atlanta firms. They don't hire much from top 14 schools outside the south, so maybe from that perspective they can seem more selective.

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Re: Let's talk about Atlanta!

Postby vissidarte27 » Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:41 pm

Does anybody have experience looking for PI work in ATL? What kind of stats do you need to land a spot at the DA's office?

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Re: Let's talk about Atlanta!

Postby eandy » Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:49 pm

vissidarte27 wrote:Does anybody have experience looking for PI work in ATL? What kind of stats do you need to land a spot at the DA's office?

This is office and school specific. PM me.

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Re: Let's talk about Atlanta!

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:56 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Hi guys, I'm the OP. Atlanta was a fucking wasteland last year and I was unable to get a SA spot there. Fortunately, I did in another city. For all those trying, I can't stress enough to plan on not getting a spot in ATL and also concentrating heavily on home markets and NY.

This. Fucking wasteland.


Im shocked people are so pessimistic. Maybe it varies wildly by school because I have middle third grades at a HYS and a decent resume (corporate leaning) but recruiters/legal staffing consultants, who shouldn't be biased, are making it seem like ATL is clamoring for students from top schools regardless of grades.


LOL going to the best law school in the entire country might have something to do with ATL not being that hard.




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