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Re: 2011 BigLaw 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby 2011Cycle » Sat May 28, 2011 2:40 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Cardozo: (raw placements/% of Class of 2012)
V10 2 / <1%
V25 9 / 2.5%
V50 14 / 3.9%
V100 20 / 5.7%
NALP 28 / 8.0%

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Re: 2011 BigLaw 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby 09042014 » Sat May 28, 2011 2:45 pm

timbs4339 wrote:
Moxie wrote:
timbs4339 wrote:
Total Litigator wrote:Yeah this all has to be BS. Those figures are way to high. Almost 20% V10's? Cough *bullshit* Cough.


In 2007, literally every single Columbia person with the exception of drooling mouthbreathers who can't hold a conversation for 5 minutes got a SA job. 80% at Columbia is embarrassingly low and translates to almost 100 CLS students without SAs.


Hyperbole much? 80% biglaw (and maybe more if we include none NALP firms) for any school is pretty damn impressive, especially in this economy.


For a school that bills itself as "anyone with a pulse can get a biglaw job," and tries to hold itself out as equal to HS, it is. There is a clear distinction between the biglaw prospects of a HYS student and a CLS student now. If you go to the top three schools, you are almost guaranteed biglaw just because of the name of your school. If you go to CLS, better get top 1/3, have WE, an IP degree, or can charm the pants off an alligator, because if you don't have something on your resume besides "Columbia Law School" there's a good chance you'll wind up with nothing.


From what I've heard HLS is placing more like CLS and less like Yale and Stanford ITE.

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Re: 2011 BigLaw 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby liLtuneChi » Sat May 28, 2011 2:59 pm

quakeroats wrote:
There's no 2L headcount available from Columbia? The reason I ask is it could make a big difference. If you throw another 50 people on there, your total is 69.33%.


the number for last year was 78% but we were never told how many people did EIP

I thought I heard the number is usually about 80% of the class does EIP plus the 50-60 transfers. Thus I think 400 is a reasonable estimate.

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Re: 2011 BigLaw 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby Moxie » Sat May 28, 2011 3:03 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
timbs4339 wrote:For a school that bills itself as "anyone with a pulse can get a biglaw job," and tries to hold itself out as equal to HS, it is. There is a clear distinction between the biglaw prospects of a HYS student and a CLS student now. If you go to the top three schools, you are almost guaranteed biglaw just because of the name of your school. If you go to CLS, better get top 1/3, have WE, an IP degree, or can charm the pants off an alligator, because if you don't have something on your resume besides "Columbia Law School" there's a good chance you'll wind up with nothing.


From what I've heard HLS is placing more like CLS and less like Yale and Stanford ITE.


+1. And factoring in self-selection (the 5% or so that do PI, and some others who choose gov't work), CLS isn't too far away from "anyone with a pulse can get a biglaw job". Although I don't know where you're even getting that claim from CLS.

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Re: 2011 BigLaw 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby 09042014 » Sat May 28, 2011 3:03 pm

liLtuneChi wrote:
quakeroats wrote:
There's no 2L headcount available from Columbia? The reason I ask is it could make a big difference. If you throw another 50 people on there, your total is 69.33%.


the number for last year was 78% but we were never told how many people did EIP

I thought I heard the number is usually about 80% of the class does EIP plus the 50-60 transfers. Thus I think 400 is a reasonable estimate.


80% seems really low. I'd imagine closer to 95%. Doesn't pretty much everyone goes except for die hard PI people.

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Re: 2011 BigLaw 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby quakeroats » Sat May 28, 2011 3:20 pm

liLtuneChi wrote:
quakeroats wrote:
There's no 2L headcount available from Columbia? The reason I ask is it could make a big difference. If you throw another 50 people on there, your total is 69.33%.


the number for last year was 78% but we were never told how many people did EIP

I thought I heard the number is usually about 80% of the class does EIP plus the 50-60 transfers. Thus I think 400 is a reasonable estimate.


I'm still shocked you don't know how many people are in your class. There's not even a student facebook at minimum you can look at?

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Re: 2011 BigLaw 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby rayiner » Sat May 28, 2011 3:55 pm

liLtuneChi wrote:
quakeroats wrote:
There's no 2L headcount available from Columbia? The reason I ask is it could make a big difference. If you throw another 50 people on there, your total is 69.33%.


the number for last year was 78% but we were never told how many people did EIP

I thought I heard the number is usually about 80% of the class does EIP plus the 50-60 transfers. Thus I think 400 is a reasonable estimate.


There were 80 transfers at CLS this year.

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Re: 2011 BigLaw 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby irie » Sat May 28, 2011 4:41 pm

quakeroats wrote:
liLtuneChi wrote:
quakeroats wrote:
There's no 2L headcount available from Columbia? The reason I ask is it could make a big difference. If you throw another 50 people on there, your total is 69.33%.


the number for last year was 78% but we were never told how many people did EIP

I thought I heard the number is usually about 80% of the class does EIP plus the 50-60 transfers. Thus I think 400 is a reasonable estimate.


I'm still shocked you don't know how many people are in your class. There's not even a student facebook at minimum you can look at?



dude... we KNOW how many people are in our class, what we DONT KNOW is how many of them participated in EIP, how many transferred (or tend to transfer) to HYS, how many drop out of law school before EIP, and how many transfers participate in EIP.

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Re: 2011 BigLaw 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby quakeroats » Sat May 28, 2011 4:46 pm

irie wrote:
quakeroats wrote:
liLtuneChi wrote:
quakeroats wrote:
There's no 2L headcount available from Columbia? The reason I ask is it could make a big difference. If you throw another 50 people on there, your total is 69.33%.


the number for last year was 78% but we were never told how many people did EIP

I thought I heard the number is usually about 80% of the class does EIP plus the 50-60 transfers. Thus I think 400 is a reasonable estimate.


I'm still shocked you don't know how many people are in your class. There's not even a student facebook at minimum you can look at?



dude... we KNOW how many people are in our class, what we DONT KNOW is how many of them participated in EIP, how many transferred (or tend to transfer) to HYS, how many drop out of law school before EIP, and how many transfers participate in EIP.


Reporting only the percentage of students who took part in EIP that got firms jobs can be misleading. For the sake of consistency, wouldn't it be easier to post the same data expressed as a percentage of the 2L class as a whole as the class exists right now? That seems to be what most other people have reported here and in the past.

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Re: 2011 BigLaw 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby 09042014 » Sat May 28, 2011 4:52 pm

For comparison sake it's better, but for judging what your chances of getting big law from CLS, the % who went to EIP is better.

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Re: 2011 BigLaw 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby rayiner » Sat May 28, 2011 6:03 pm

Is the 78% out of those who did OCI? That makes things look substantially worse. The Duke data is out if the whole class, so is the NU data.

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Re: 2011 BigLaw 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby quakeroats » Sat May 28, 2011 6:20 pm

rayiner wrote:Is the 78% out of those who did OCI? That makes things look substantially worse. The Duke data is out if the whole class, so is the NU data.


What NU data?

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Re: 2011 BigLaw 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby timbs4339 » Sat May 28, 2011 6:42 pm

Moxie wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
timbs4339 wrote:For a school that bills itself as "anyone with a pulse can get a biglaw job," and tries to hold itself out as equal to HS, it is. There is a clear distinction between the biglaw prospects of a HYS student and a CLS student now. If you go to the top three schools, you are almost guaranteed biglaw just because of the name of your school. If you go to CLS, better get top 1/3, have WE, an IP degree, or can charm the pants off an alligator, because if you don't have something on your resume besides "Columbia Law School" there's a good chance you'll wind up with nothing.


From what I've heard HLS is placing more like CLS and less like Yale and Stanford ITE.


+1. And factoring in self-selection (the 5% or so that do PI, and some others who choose gov't work), CLS isn't too far away from "anyone with a pulse can get a biglaw job". Although I don't know where you're even getting that claim from CLS.


I go to CLS. It's evident in the interactions with faculty and administrators. Everyone jokes about how we'll all be working for biglaw firms, the Career Services staff won't admit that people struck out, or they blame it on personality (because the c/o 2011 and 2012 apparently just forgot how to interview) and the school refuses to give unemployed students any additional help.

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Re: 2011 BigLaw 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby quakeroats » Tue May 31, 2011 7:59 am

timbs4339 wrote:
Moxie wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
timbs4339 wrote:For a school that bills itself as "anyone with a pulse can get a biglaw job," and tries to hold itself out as equal to HS, it is. There is a clear distinction between the biglaw prospects of a HYS student and a CLS student now. If you go to the top three schools, you are almost guaranteed biglaw just because of the name of your school. If you go to CLS, better get top 1/3, have WE, an IP degree, or can charm the pants off an alligator, because if you don't have something on your resume besides "Columbia Law School" there's a good chance you'll wind up with nothing.


From what I've heard HLS is placing more like CLS and less like Yale and Stanford ITE.


+1. And factoring in self-selection (the 5% or so that do PI, and some others who choose gov't work), CLS isn't too far away from "anyone with a pulse can get a biglaw job". Although I don't know where you're even getting that claim from CLS.


I go to CLS. It's evident in the interactions with faculty and administrators. Everyone jokes about how we'll all be working for biglaw firms, the Career Services staff won't admit that people struck out, or they blame it on personality (because the c/o 2011 and 2012 apparently just forgot how to interview) and the school refuses to give unemployed students any additional help.


Any idea on how many people are currently in the class of 2012?

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Postby timbs4339 » Tue May 31, 2011 2:16 pm

quakeroats wrote:
Any idea on how many people are currently in the class of 2012?


475

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Re: 2011 BigLaw 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby quakeroats » Tue May 31, 2011 3:03 pm

timbs4339 wrote:
quakeroats wrote:
Any idea on how many people are currently in the class of 2012?


475


Taking your word for it Columbia's placement as a percentage of the class rather than just as a percentage of those who did EIP is:

V10 15.15%
V25 36.21%
V50 53.05%
V100 62.31%
NALP 65.68%

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Postby bdubs » Tue May 31, 2011 3:18 pm

DF - Do you have the data from NU? Care to post if you do?

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Postby 09042014 » Tue May 31, 2011 4:03 pm

bdubs wrote:DF - Do you have the data from NU? Care to post if you do?


I don't. They haven't released any to us. They didn't have C/o 2009 data until late August last year.

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Re: 2011 BigLaw 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby Anonymous User » Tue May 31, 2011 10:36 pm

"Taking your word for it Columbia's placement as a percentage of the class rather than just as a percentage of those who did EIP is:

V10 15.15%
V25 36.21%
V50 53.05%
V100 62.31%
NALP 65.68%"

I go to CLS. I'll confirm this, as it sounds much more accurate that the 78% figure listed above. The EIP data that's released doesn't take into account the people that didn't participate in EIP. CLS is probably the most gung-ho on Biglaw of any law school in the country, so maybe a dozen students in the Class of 2012 can legitimately claim that they didn't participate in EIP because they wanted to do public interest. The rest don't participate because they're not going to be able to land a job with one of the EIP firms in this economy (basically, every single one is a V100).

65% during arguably the worst economy since the Great Depression isn't bad though. That said, I can sure as hell say that a NLJ 250 job isn't waiting for 78% of the people in the class that want it. Simply talking to the students around in you in class will confirm this.

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Postby spencer1888 » Tue May 31, 2011 11:00 pm

anyone care to illuminate how BC is faring?

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Re: 2011 BigLaw 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby NYC Law » Tue May 31, 2011 11:03 pm

Any Fordham data would be greatly appreciated.

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Postby Anonymous User » Tue May 31, 2011 11:15 pm

Anonymous User wrote:"Taking your word for it Columbia's placement as a percentage of the class rather than just as a percentage of those who did EIP is:

V10 15.15%
V25 36.21%
V50 53.05%
V100 62.31%
NALP 65.68%"

I go to CLS. I'll confirm this, as it sounds much more accurate that the 78% figure listed above. The EIP data that's released doesn't take into account the people that didn't participate in EIP. CLS is probably the most gung-ho on Biglaw of any law school in the country, so maybe a dozen students in the Class of 2012 can legitimately claim that they didn't participate in EIP because they wanted to do public interest. The rest don't participate because they're not going to be able to land a job with one of the EIP firms in this economy (basically, every single one is a V100).

65% during arguably the worst economy since the Great Depression isn't bad though. That said, I can sure as hell say that a NLJ 250 job isn't waiting for 78% of the people in the class that want it. Simply talking to the students around in you in class will confirm this.


I transferred into CLS, so my perception might be off since I mostly hang out with transfers, almost all of whom got jobs. But still, I think everyone north of the bottom 10% based on 1L grades had a solid shot at V100s this past year.

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Re: 2011 BigLaw 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby timbs4339 » Tue May 31, 2011 11:33 pm

Anonymous User wrote:"Taking your word for it Columbia's placement as a percentage of the class rather than just as a percentage of those who did EIP is:

V10 15.15%
V25 36.21%
V50 53.05%
V100 62.31%
NALP 65.68%"

I go to CLS. I'll confirm this, as it sounds much more accurate that the 78% figure listed above. The EIP data that's released doesn't take into account the people that didn't participate in EIP. CLS is probably the most gung-ho on Biglaw of any law school in the country, so maybe a dozen students in the Class of 2012 can legitimately claim that they didn't participate in EIP because they wanted to do public interest. The rest don't participate because they're not going to be able to land a job with one of the EIP firms in this economy (basically, every single one is a V100).

65% during arguably the worst economy since the Great Depression isn't bad though. That said, I can sure as hell say that a NLJ 250 job isn't waiting for 78% of the people in the class that want it. Simply talking to the students around in you in class will confirm this.


Did OCS tell you that? There are plenty of non-V100 secondary market firms that come to EIP, and even some V100 firms are not picky about grades. Everyone who wants a firm job participates in EIP (including students with multiple B- grades). The only people not participating who used to participate may be people on the fence about public interest, or who planned to take 2L SA jobs and then go PI or government. Now it's more important that they get PI experience both summers, so they don't bother with the firm job. I can name a dozen friends who didn't attend OCI off the top of my head (because of PI reasons) and I do not have a wide circle of contacts at the law school. 50-60 hardcore PI students is not at all a high estimate.

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Re: 2011 BigLaw 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby timbs4339 » Tue May 31, 2011 11:36 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:"Taking your word for it Columbia's placement as a percentage of the class rather than just as a percentage of those who did EIP is:

V10 15.15%
V25 36.21%
V50 53.05%
V100 62.31%
NALP 65.68%"

I go to CLS. I'll confirm this, as it sounds much more accurate that the 78% figure listed above. The EIP data that's released doesn't take into account the people that didn't
participate in EIP. CLS is probably the most gung-ho on Biglaw of any law school in the country, so maybe a dozen students in the Class of 2012 can legitimately claim that they didn't participate in EIP because they wanted to do public interest. The rest don't participate because they're not going to be able to land a job with one of the EIP firms in this economy (basically, every single one is a V100).

65% during arguably the worst economy since the Great Depression isn't bad though. That said, I can sure as hell say that a NLJ 250 job isn't waiting for 78% of the people in the class that want it. Simply talking to the students around in you in class will confirm this.


I transferred into CLS, so my perception might be off since I mostly hang out with transfers, almost all of whom got jobs. But still, I think everyone north of the bottom 10% based on 1L grades had a solid shot at V100s this past year.


I know 5-6 transfers all of whom got their first-choice job. Transfers do really well, probably on the level of CLS Stone Scholars. Median students, OTOH...

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Re: 2011 BigLaw 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby fingersxd » Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:18 pm

Dumb question from an OL here, but can someone clarify what they mean by "biglaw" ... I ask only b/c it seems that different posters ocassionally imply different things (i.e. NLJ250 v. V100). I would contend that there is a a fairly sizeable difference b/t the top 100 and the 150 that follow (may not from 100->110 or so, but there is, i would suspect, some serious stratification even at those levels).

Also, where exactly is the cutoff (approx.) where pay transitions from 6 to 5 digits?




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