2011 OCI 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

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Re: 2011 OCI 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby skers » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:28 pm

Guchster wrote:guys i can post the V10 on here. those numbers shouldn't be too hard.


I'd be interested in seeing that.

Also, anyone have U of C data yet?

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Re: 2011 OCI 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:49 pm

For CLS:

based on this spreadsheet we all got at Monday's meeting, 323 students from the class of 2013 accepted summer associate offers from biglaw firms at EIP

however, a bunch of firms didn't report data, so there are probably a couple more than that. also, im guessing a handful also found biglaw jobs outside of EIP.

for reference, there are 439 students in the class of 2013, so according to OCS approximately 404 (92%) participated at EIP.

For v10: 103 total (edited, sorry, initially had 111 but accidentally included debevoise in v10).

IMO v10 leaves out a handful of pretty well-regarded firms, so looping in boies, debevoise, gdc, irell, latham, munger, paul weiss, quinn, sidley, susman, w&c, and wilmer (dc) brings the total to 161.

not trying to troll for any firms in particular, so if you want to see others added to the list I can do that fairly quickly, but dont have time right now to compile a list of v10, v25, v50, etc. though i'm sure someone will after exams.
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Re: 2011 OCI 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby Guchster » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:49 pm

Anonymous User wrote:For CLS:

based on this spreadsheet we all got at Monday's meeting, 323 students from the class of 2013 accepted summer associate offers from biglaw firms at EIP

however, a bunch of firms didn't report data, so there are probably a couple more than that. also, im guessing a handful also found biglaw jobs outside of EIP.

for reference, there are 439 students in the class of 2013, so according to OCS approximately 404 (92%) participated at EIP.


why are you anonymous?

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Re: 2011 OCI 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:08 pm

Guchster wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:For CLS:

based on this spreadsheet we all got at Monday's meeting, 323 students from the class of 2013 accepted summer associate offers from biglaw firms at EIP

however, a bunch of firms didn't report data, so there are probably a couple more than that. also, im guessing a handful also found biglaw jobs outside of EIP.

for reference, there are 439 students in the class of 2013, so according to OCS approximately 404 (92%) participated at EIP.


why are you anonymous?


well since im not entirely sure we are supposed to share this, until someone convinces me otherwise i'd rather just play it safe.

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Re: 2011 OCI 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:11 pm

Anonymous User wrote:For CLS:

based on this spreadsheet we all got at Monday's meeting, 323 students from the class of 2013 accepted summer associate offers from biglaw firms at EIP

however, a bunch of firms didn't report data, so there are probably a couple more than that. also, im guessing a handful also found biglaw jobs outside of EIP.

for reference, there are 439 students in the class of 2013, so according to OCS approximately 404 (92%) participated at EIP.

For v10: 111 total

IMO v10 leaves out a handful of pretty well-regarded firms, so looping in boies, debevoise, gdc, irell, latham, munger, paul weiss, quinn, sidley, susman, w&c, and wilmer (dc) brings the total to 161.

not trying to troll for any firms in particular, so if you want to see others added to the list I can do that fairly quickly, but dont have time right now to compile a list of v10, v25, v50, etc. though i'm sure someone will after exams.


How many CLS students at those 3 firms(munger, susman, W&C)? Could you give a breakdown in terms of callbacks/offer ratio?

thx
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Re: 2011 OCI 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby drbarry987 » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:12 pm

Wow. CLS absolutely killed it with top firms. Did NYU do anywhere near as well?

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Postby Magnificent » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:15 pm

drbarry987 wrote:Wow. CLS absolutely killed it with top firms. Did NYU do anywhere near as well?


If those numbers are accurate then 40% (161/404) of the class got ~V20 firm jobs. Either things have gotten alot better or CLS crushed it this year.

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Re: 2011 OCI 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby Bronck » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:16 pm

Holy crap those are insane numbers for the v10

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Postby Anonymous User » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:26 pm

Can someone post UChi's and NYU's v10-v20 stats?

For those of us making decisions between the two...

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Re: 2011 OCI 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby rayiner » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:30 pm

Guchster wrote:Numbers from CLS. We don't have access to all the informational digitally, and I'm too lazy to type up stuff.

But they said 92% of our class did EIP at CLS, and 85% of those 92% got at least 1 offer.


That puts them at 78.2% versus 76.7% for C/O 2012.

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Postby rayiner » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:33 pm

Bronck wrote:Holy crap those are insane numbers for the v10


Man you poor ITE-addled kids. 23% V10 placement is good, but Columbia had 38% V10 placement during summer '06. Columbia has always sent a ton of people into the V10, which hires ~1,000 summer associates each year. Something like 15% of all summer associate positions in the country are at a V10 firm.
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Re: 2011 OCI 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby D-hops » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:35 pm

rayiner wrote:
Bronck wrote:Holy crap those are insane numbers for the v10


Man you poor ITE-addled kids. 23% V10 placement is good, but Columbia had 38% V10 placement during summer '06.


Not to mention it doesn't seem out of the question considering a lot of the V10 have some of the larger summer classes, and being based out of NYC, Columbia is really the home market school for most of them.

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Re: 2011 OCI 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby Bronck » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:37 pm

rayiner wrote:
Bronck wrote:Holy crap those are insane numbers for the v10


Man you poor ITE-addled kids. 23% V10 placement is good, but Columbia had 38% V10 placement during summer '06.


Haha I know I was looking at the 2006 stats just a moment ago. But still that's very encouraging stats.

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Re: 2011 OCI 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby smokeylarue » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:39 pm

Anyone have link to past EIP numbers? For both NYU and Columbia?

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Re: 2011 OCI 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby rayiner » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:39 pm

Bronck wrote:
rayiner wrote:
Bronck wrote:Holy crap those are insane numbers for the v10


Man you poor ITE-addled kids. 23% V10 placement is good, but Columbia had 38% V10 placement during summer '06.


Haha I know I was looking at the 2006 stats just a moment ago. But still that's very encouraging stats.


I mean it's not discouraging, but for context Columbia is down from 91%* for summer 2009 to 78% for summer 2013. New York is the market that has recovered the most and Columbia is the best school in New York. That's telling about how soft the market still is.

*) And that's 91% actually working, versus 78% with offers.

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Re: 2011 OCI 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:43 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Can someone post UChi's and NYU's v10-v20 stats?

For those of us making decisions between the two...


+1

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Re: 2011 OCI 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby ahnhub » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:44 pm

So this is for c/o 2012: (this comes from the 1st page of this thread--ninja research skills haha)

Columbia:
V10 15.15%
V25 36.21%
V50 53.05%
V100 62.31%
NALP 65.68%

That's as a percentage of whole class. Redoing it assuming 400 EIW participants, it came out to 78% accepting offers. To me it looks like the jump was better (for Columbia, at least--I think someone from another T-14 posted the jump was about equal) from 2012 to 2013 than 2011 to 2012.

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Re: 2011 OCI 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby Guchster » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:45 pm

rayiner wrote:
Bronck wrote:
rayiner wrote:
Bronck wrote:Holy crap those are insane numbers for the v10


Man you poor ITE-addled kids. 23% V10 placement is good, but Columbia had 38% V10 placement during summer '06.


Haha I know I was looking at the 2006 stats just a moment ago. But still that's very encouraging stats.


I mean it's not discouraging, but for context Columbia is down from 91%* for summer 2009 to 78% for summer 2013. New York is the market that has recovered the most and Columbia is the best school in New York. That's telling about how soft the market still is.

*) And that's 91% actually working, versus 78% with offers.


You're misreading what I wrote earlier. We had an 85% offer rate.

The 78% number you're citing includes those 8% that didn't even show up to EIP at all.

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Re: 2011 OCI 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby Bronck » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:48 pm

rayiner wrote:
Bronck wrote:
rayiner wrote:
Bronck wrote:Holy crap those are insane numbers for the v10


Man you poor ITE-addled kids. 23% V10 placement is good, but Columbia had 38% V10 placement during summer '06.


Haha I know I was looking at the 2006 stats just a moment ago. But still that's very encouraging stats.


I mean it's not discouraging, but for context Columbia is down from 91%* for summer 2009 to 78% for summer 2013. New York is the market that has recovered the most and Columbia is the best school in New York. That's telling about how soft the market still is.

*) And that's 91% actually working, versus 78% with offers.


Fair point. Assuming the economy continues its steady but slow trend up, I wouldn't be surprised if the number is around 80-85% by the time I OCI in 2013. Definitely not pre-ITE numbers, but I would feel safe at median at a school like CLS.

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Re: 2011 OCI 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby ahnhub » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:52 pm

Guchster wrote: You're misreading what I wrote earlier. We had an 85% offer rate.

The 78% number you're citing includes those 8% that didn't even show up to EIP at all.


I think rayiner is just comparing the 91% doing a 2L firm job for c/o 2010 with the 78% of the total c/o 2013 who received at least 1 offer at EIW. This probably understates what the same number doing 2L firm jobs will be for c/o 2013 though, right? There will be at least a few more people that get offers through mass-mail or job fairs or 3L OCI, and maybe a few more doing non-Biglaw firm jobs by the time everything sorts itself out (along with people who turn down their offers)?

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Re: 2011 OCI 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby rayiner » Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:16 pm

Guchster wrote:
rayiner wrote:
Bronck wrote:
rayiner wrote:
Man you poor ITE-addled kids. 23% V10 placement is good, but Columbia had 38% V10 placement during summer '06.


Haha I know I was looking at the 2006 stats just a moment ago. But still that's very encouraging stats.


I mean it's not discouraging, but for context Columbia is down from 91%* for summer 2009 to 78% for summer 2013. New York is the market that has recovered the most and Columbia is the best school in New York. That's telling about how soft the market still is.

*) And that's 91% actually working, versus 78% with offers.


You're misreading what I wrote earlier. We had an 85% offer rate.

The 78% number you're citing includes those 8% that didn't even show up to EIP at all.


The 78% figure is the %-age of the whole class who got an offer for summer 2012.
The 91% figure is the %-age of the whole class who got an offer, accepted it, and worked at a firm for summer 2010.

Yes, back in the day literally everyone who did EIP got offers. This was true throughout the T14 (90% of Cornell's class did a 2L SA for summer 2009 as well). The current state of affairs has definitely got a lot better than it was, but you're still looking at 15% of people who wanted an SA striking out (1 in 6) at Columbia, maybe 25% (1 in 4) at the rest of the T14. We're still closer to the recession numbers than the boom numbers.

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Re: 2011 OCI 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby Mr. Somebody » Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:31 pm

Is it possible to get that kind of data for other T14's too?

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Re: 2011 OCI 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby kwais » Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:33 pm

well, either way, when you need top %10 at many Tier 1 schools for biglaw, I'd say %78 is pretty sweet. Gives a different spin to getting median pwnd

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Postby ahnhub » Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:34 pm

Mr. Somebody wrote:Is it possible to get that kind of data for other T14's too?


Current students have to leak it. And not everyone provides data that detailed--I think Michigan gave 3-year averaged OCI data to previous classes, although they're being more transparent now so that may change. I still think c/o 2013 summer data generally looks a lot more encouraging than the c/o 2011 employment stats, so I don't see why schools wouldn't want to push that info out there fast.

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Re: 2011 OCI 2L Placement by School - post your school's data

Postby Guchster » Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:34 pm

kwais wrote:well, either way, when you need top %10 at many Tier 1 schools for biglaw, I'd say %78 is pretty sweet. Gives a different spin to getting median pwnd


srsly.


good to know if I get half B and half B+, I'm basically biglaw secure. hilarious.




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