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Most prestigious summer positions

Postby akaBlondie » Sat May 14, 2011 7:51 pm

I am curious as to what people think are the most prestigious summer positions.

1) What are the universally considered prestigious positions?
2) Which ones are considered the best in the criminal law world?
3) What about in the litigation world?
4) What is your personal dream list?

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Re: Most prestigious summer positions

Postby jpSartre » Sat May 14, 2011 7:52 pm

this is relevant to my interests

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Re: Most prestigious summer positions

Postby Cupidity » Sat May 14, 2011 7:54 pm

IMHO

1. Summer SA Position at a V100 Firm
2. Federal COA Internship
3. SEC Honors Program
4. Federal District Court
5. State Supreme Court

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Re: Most prestigious summer positions

Postby adonai » Sat May 14, 2011 8:01 pm

Cupidity wrote:IMHO

1. Summer SA Position at a V100 Firm
2. Federal COA Internship
3. SEC Honors Program
4. Federal District Court
5. State Supreme Court

Whatever happened to the notion that nobody likes court internships cause everyone has them?

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Re: Most prestigious summer positions

Postby dakatz » Sat May 14, 2011 8:13 pm

adonai wrote:
Cupidity wrote:IMHO

1. Summer SA Position at a V100 Firm
2. Federal COA Internship
3. SEC Honors Program
4. Federal District Court
5. State Supreme Court

Whatever happened to the notion that nobody likes court internships cause everyone has them?


Thats a stupid rumor that represents a tiny minority of people. Also, Cupdity only mentioned the highest level judicial internships you can get and not "everyone" can get that level of judicial internship. No one is going to scoff at an internship with CoA, federal district court, or state supreme court. And just like any summer position, its also about what you can speak to at OCI. Even if you interned for some low level judge, if you got some good writing experience and saw some interesting things to talk about, then you can turn it into something really good to talk about afterward.

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Re: Most prestigious summer positions

Postby Aqualibrium » Sat May 14, 2011 8:15 pm

Cupidity wrote:IMHO

1. Summer SA Position at a V100 Firm
2. Summer SA at a NLJ 250
3. Summer SA at a regionally powerful non NLJ 250
4. Any other legal position that gives you something to talk about during OCI
2. Federal COA Internship
3. SEC Honors Program
4. Federal District Court
5. State Supreme Court


If by "prestige" you mean "provides even a marginal boost during the 2L summer job hunt," that is my list with regards to litigation work and general firm work.

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Re: Most prestigious summer positions

Postby dakatz » Sat May 14, 2011 8:21 pm

Aqualibrium wrote:
Cupidity wrote:IMHO

1. Summer SA Position at a V100 Firm
2. Summer SA at a NLJ 250
3. Summer SA at a regionally powerful non NLJ 250
4. Any other legal position that gives you something to talk about during OCI
2. Federal COA Internship
3. SEC Honors Program
4. Federal District Court
5. State Supreme Court


If by "prestige" you mean "provides even a marginal boost during the 2L summer job hunt," that is my list with regards to litigation work and general firm work.


I've spoken to multiple recruiters who said that they would view a COA internship close, if not equal to a Summer SA with a large firm, so I'm not sure why you would think it wouldn't provide a boost. And as for state supreme courts, if you want to establish or reaffirm ties to a state, this can give you a big leg up on those who don't have the strongest ties.

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Re: Most prestigious summer positions

Postby Cupidity » Sat May 14, 2011 8:22 pm

Aqualibrium wrote:
Cupidity wrote:IMHO

1. Summer SA Position at a V100 Firm
2. Summer SA at a NLJ 250
3. Summer SA at a regionally powerful non NLJ 250
4. Any other legal position that gives you something to talk about during OCI
2. Federal COA Internship
3. SEC Honors Program
4. Federal District Court
5. State Supreme Court


If by "prestige" you mean "provides even a marginal boost during the 2L summer job hunt," that is my list with regards to litigation work and general firm work.


Meow. I'll throw my excellent writing abilities against your something to talk about any day.

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Re: Most prestigious summer positions

Postby Aqualibrium » Sat May 14, 2011 8:30 pm

dakatz wrote:I've spoken to multiple recruiters who said that they would view a COA internship close, if not equal to a Summer SA with a large firm, so I'm not sure why you would think it wouldn't provide a boost. And as for state supreme courts, if you want to establish or reaffirm ties to a state, this can give you a big leg up on those who don't have the strongest ties.


Cupidity wrote:Meow. I'll throw my excellent writing abilities against your something to talk about any day.


Hey, I'm just talking what I know...just an opinion based on my own personal experience. The top three on my list give you the experience to talk about:

1. Interacting with people at a firm in a work environment
2. Projects you did while working at that firm
3. Your observations of firm life based on what you did/saw/and heard from others
4. What type of firm and environment would be best for you
5. Meeting deadlines and having your work evaluated by associates and partners
6. Billing systems

All are experiences you don't get from a court internship, regardless of the level it's on. The only people who get that experience are the people who got 1L SA's, and only a small number of people nationwide get 1L SA's...

Also, from my experience, the boost you get from a 1L SA is there regardless of where it is located, and can help you in many different regions. When a partner in another region says "tell me about the work you did at firm X," he may never have heard of firm X, but once you tell him that it's a 400 person, full service defense firm with offices in 6 states, he is very likely to say "oh so they are just like us."
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Re: Most prestigious summer positions

Postby akaBlondie » Sat May 14, 2011 8:43 pm

What is the process for getting a COA internship? (I'm an 0L, that's why I don't already know this.)

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Re: Most prestigious summer positions

Postby vamedic03 » Sat May 14, 2011 8:44 pm

1L Summer prestige doesn't matter. Grades+LR+T14 = 2L SA at V100.
(Not actually trying to be snarky here, but in the long run 1L summer just doesn't matter)

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Re: Most prestigious summer positions

Postby Lawquacious » Sat May 14, 2011 8:47 pm

vamedic03 wrote:1L Summer prestige doesn't matter. Grades+LR+T14 = 2L SA at V100.
(Not actually trying to be snarky here, but in the long run 1L summer just doesn't matter)


+1. This is the main impression I have gotten as well. As long as it is a legal position (assuming we are talking 1L) it shouldn't be a problem or much of a boost regardless of what it is. Though I do imagine that certain positions can be looked as more prestigious/desirable than others.

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Re: Most prestigious summer positions

Postby vamedic03 » Sat May 14, 2011 8:48 pm

Lawquacious wrote:
vamedic03 wrote:1L Summer prestige doesn't matter. Grades+LR+T14 = 2L SA at V100.
(Not actually trying to be snarky here, but in the long run 1L summer just doesn't matter)


+1. This is the main impression I have gotten as well. As long as it is a legal position (assuming we are talking 1L) it shouldn't be a problem or much of a boost regardless of what it is. Though I do imagine that certain positions can be looked as more prestigious/desirable than others.


I'd add as a footnote that to the extent that there is any prestige, it's directly related to whether or not the 1L position is paid. Your overall goal for 1L summer should be to lose as little money as possible.

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Re: Most prestigious summer positions

Postby Renzo » Sat May 14, 2011 8:58 pm

vamedic03 wrote:
Lawquacious wrote:
vamedic03 wrote:1L Summer prestige doesn't matter. Grades+LR+T14 = 2L SA at V100.
(Not actually trying to be snarky here, but in the long run 1L summer just doesn't matter)


+1. This is the main impression I have gotten as well. As long as it is a legal position (assuming we are talking 1L) it shouldn't be a problem or much of a boost regardless of what it is. Though I do imagine that certain positions can be looked as more prestigious/desirable than others.


I'd add as a footnote that to the extent that there is any prestige, it's directly related to whether or not the 1L position is paid. Your overall goal for 1L summer should be to lose as little money as possible.


Amen. Nobody is impressed by any 1L summer job.

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Re: Most prestigious summer positions

Postby crazycanuck » Sat May 14, 2011 9:31 pm

SCOTTTUS?

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Re: Most prestigious summer positions

Postby Renzo » Sat May 14, 2011 9:42 pm

crazycanuck wrote:SCOTTTUS?


The first time it happens, it would be PREFTIGIOUS.

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Re: Most prestigious summer positions

Postby TTH » Sun May 15, 2011 12:06 am

The most prestigious summer position is missionary. There's just so much to be said for the old school styling.

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Re: Most prestigious summer positions

Postby Cupidity » Sun May 15, 2011 12:11 am

For all of my shit-talking, I think I'd have to say, at the end of the day after you factor in your 1L grades, the next most important thing is personality, not 1L job. If you get an interview, it is because of your numbers, and if you land the position-post interview, is it because of your personality. So learn to smile, make small talk, and suck-dick. Otherwise you will end up unemployed.

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Re: Most prestigious summer positions

Postby dood » Sun May 15, 2011 12:48 am

akaBlondie wrote:1) What are the universally considered prestigious positions?


u guys didnt really answer OPs Q. but maybe he should have said "all other things being equal".

to answer the question:
US CoA internship with well-known / prestigious judge
OR
SA with watchtell, cravath, sullcrom, maybe skadden

nothing else qualifies as "prestigious". and getting paid =/= prestige. i.e. high class escorts make $3K/hour does not make sucking cock prestigious.

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Re: Most prestigious summer positions

Postby Aqualibrium » Sun May 15, 2011 12:52 am

dood wrote:
akaBlondie wrote:1) What are the universally considered prestigious positions?


u guys didnt really answer OPs Q. but maybe he should have said "all other things being equal".

to answer the question:
US CoA internship with well-known / prestigious judge
OR
SA with watchtell, cravath, sullcrom, maybe skadden

nothing else qualifies as "prestigious". and getting paid =/= prestige. i.e. high class escorts make $3K/hour does not make sucking cock prestigious.


I agree that "prestige" was the wrong word for OP to use...

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Re: Most prestigious summer positions

Postby dood » Sun May 15, 2011 1:03 am

plus prestige is overrated...it only exists in the minds of people. i dunno man, each to their own, i just never saw the thrill of it i guess.

power money respect? lol

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Re: Most prestigious summer positions

Postby Aqualibrium » Sun May 15, 2011 1:05 am

dood wrote:plus prestige is overrated...it only exists in the minds of people. i dunno man, each to their own, i just never saw the thrill of it i guess.

power money respect? lol


"It's the key to life..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAOgWDLo--w

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Re: Most prestigious summer positions

Postby dood » Sun May 15, 2011 1:14 am

akaBlondie wrote:What is the process for getting a COA internship? (I'm an 0L, that's why I don't already know this.)


1. have good grades from a good school
2. mass mail early
3. make sure ur cover letter talks about a "connection" between u and the judge, even if minor. connection in this case just means like a way the judge can relate to u. i.e. posner (7th circuit) likes scientists for clerks and kozinski (9th circuit) likes UCLA law + local ties to socal. no idea if these 2 hire interns, but u get the idea.

the internet is a great thing. shit i even looked up their political POVs, and if they are also a member of the same groups im in (federalist society, NRA, SAE, etc).

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Re: Most prestigious summer positions

Postby Cupidity » Sun May 15, 2011 1:29 am

dood wrote:2. mass mail early


This.

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Re: Most prestigious summer positions

Postby seatown12 » Sun May 15, 2011 1:36 am

akaBlondie wrote:2) Which ones are considered the best in the criminal law world?

For crim you just want whatever position will get you the most substantive trial experience. Once you can student certify (2L summer) you should look for a position in which you can go to court and if not handle your own cases at least conduct hearings.




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