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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby sd5289 » Sat Dec 28, 2013 4:09 pm

gdane wrote:Kind of. But they were both in the same section. One was the section chief and the other was the deputy chief. They gave me assignments to work on, but I had the freedom to ask anyone in my section if they needed my help.


Cool. Sounds a lot like the DA's office I was at during 1L, which I loved. Can't wait.

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby gdane » Sat Dec 28, 2013 4:13 pm

You're not going to do any in-court stuff. Mainly research and a LOT of writing. But it's great and you learn a lot of stuff.

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby sd5289 » Sat Dec 28, 2013 4:21 pm

gdane wrote:You're not going to do any in-court stuff. Mainly research and a LOT of writing. But it's great and you learn a lot of stuff.


Yeah, I have some friends who've been at other USAOs after a summer with a local prosecutor, so I was expecting that. My impression is that it's extremely rare to see any court action, so glad I got so much of it during 1L summer. I actually just finished a class focused entirely on the Guidelines (which I knew very little about since all my experience is local and state level), so I'm especially intrigued to see those in action if I can get into some sentencings.

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:45 pm

sd5289 wrote:
gdane wrote:You're not going to do any in-court stuff. Mainly research and a LOT of writing. But it's great and you learn a lot of stuff.


Yeah, I have some friends who've been at other USAOs after a summer with a local prosecutor, so I was expecting that. My impression is that it's extremely rare to see any court action, so glad I got so much of it during 1L summer. I actually just finished a class focused entirely on the Guidelines (which I knew very little about since all my experience is local and state level), so I'm especially intrigued to see those in action if I can get into some sentencings.


I think it just depends on the office - I interned with a USA Office that allowed interns to do trials. It's obviously for very low level stuff, but it is good trial experience.

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby gdane » Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:49 pm

Damn. That's badass. I only got to sit at counsels table.

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby lmr » Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:08 am

Have any california offices besides Contra Costa, Alameda, SF, and SD began interviewing for post-bars?

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Tanicius » Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:20 am

lmr wrote:Have any california offices besides Contra Costa, Alameda, SF, and SD began interviewing for post-bars?


Not that I know of. Santa Clara is the only other office I know of that interviews, and they don't start til March.

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby coldshoulder » Tue Jan 07, 2014 5:21 am

Anybody been through CO PD hiring?

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby jessuf » Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:01 pm

lmr wrote:Have any california offices besides Contra Costa, Alameda, SF, and SD began interviewing for post-bars?

San Joaquin, but they are done.

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:34 pm

Any CO PD folk get a placement?

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:48 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Any CO PD folk get a placement?


2L or 3L?

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby anon sequitur » Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:41 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
2L or 3L?


Would love to hear from 2L. I haven't heard anything, stings.

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:29 pm

anon sequitur wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
2L or 3L?


Would love to hear from 2L. I haven't heard anything, stings.


I know offers for 2L went out about a month ago, and i think most of us are waiting to hear about placements.

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Borhas » Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:34 am

I've been working about a week at the PD's office and I think I've worked 10-12 hours every weekday and 6 or so hours on saturday.

I haven't even prepped a trial yet.

I actually have enjoyed my time, but anyone who thinks this is a 9-5 government gig will be sorely mistaken.

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby wbrother » Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:56 pm

Borhas wrote:I've been working about a week at the PD's office and I think I've worked 10-12 hours every weekday and 6 or so hours on saturday.

I haven't even prepped a trial yet.

I actually have enjoyed my time, but anyone who thinks this is a 9-5 government gig will be sorely mistaken.

Could you give an hourly breakdown of a more or less typical day?
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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby spleenworship » Wed Jan 08, 2014 1:27 pm

Is some of the above 50 hours because you have to get up to speed on a bunch of cases and the hours will drop as you become familiar?

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Borhas » Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:00 pm

wbrother wrote:
Borhas wrote:I've been working about a week at the PD's office and I think I've worked 10-12 hours every weekday and 6 or so hours on saturday.

I haven't even prepped a trial yet.

I actually have enjoyed my time, but anyone who thinks this is a 9-5 government gig will be sorely mistaken.

Could you give an hourly breakdown of a more or less typical day?


An hourly break down is tough but I probably get in around 7:30 and leave around 7:30 w/ 15 minutes for lunch.

Morning docket takes a few hours. But there are just so many little tasks like reviewing discovery, checking if it is complete, ordering whatever is missing, making investigation requests, checking for conflicts, preparing to advise clients, meeting clients, physically organizing the files, reading and answering emails. And that's not including any trials or hearings.

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:10 pm

How many cases did you get given on arrival?

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby BlueLotus » Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:17 pm

Borhas wrote:I've been working about a week at the PD's office and I think I've worked 10-12 hours every weekday and 6 or so hours on saturday.

I haven't even prepped a trial yet.

I actually have enjoyed my time, but anyone who thinks this is a 9-5 government gig will be sorely mistaken.


is nongovernmental PI (i.e. civil legal aid) similar in terms of hours?

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Tanicius » Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:18 pm

BlueLotus wrote:
Borhas wrote:I've been working about a week at the PD's office and I think I've worked 10-12 hours every weekday and 6 or so hours on saturday.

I haven't even prepped a trial yet.

I actually have enjoyed my time, but anyone who thinks this is a 9-5 government gig will be sorely mistaken.


is nongovernmental PI (i.e. civil legal aid) similar in terms of hours?


Less time spent day-to-day in court I'm sure. Honestly it depends on the office. A rural office might not get a lot of cases, but a legal aid society for the homeless in a city area is going to be drowning in too many cases and clients to count.

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby wbrother » Wed Jan 08, 2014 11:59 pm

Tanicius wrote:
BlueLotus wrote:
Borhas wrote:I've been working about a week at the PD's office and I think I've worked 10-12 hours every weekday and 6 or so hours on saturday.

I haven't even prepped a trial yet.

I actually have enjoyed my time, but anyone who thinks this is a 9-5 government gig will be sorely mistaken.


is nongovernmental PI (i.e. civil legal aid) similar in terms of hours?


Less time spent day-to-day in court I'm sure. Honestly it depends on the office. A rural office might not get a lot of cases, but a legal aid society for the homeless in a city area is going to be drowning in too many cases and clients to count.

Non-Gove PI I worked at was a 10-6 with the occasional Saturday. But I have no reason to think anything about that place was typical, including the hours.

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Borhas » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:04 am

A. Nony Mouse wrote:How many cases did you get given on arrival?


I dont know, I think around 60 (which is very low compared to the other new attorneys) I am still in the process of getting all the cases transferred to me from the attorney who is moving to another division. A lot of my time has been spent going over active cases and figuring out what the next steps are.

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Borhas » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:05 am

BlueLotus wrote:
Borhas wrote:I've been working about a week at the PD's office and I think I've worked 10-12 hours every weekday and 6 or so hours on saturday.

I haven't even prepped a trial yet.

I actually have enjoyed my time, but anyone who thinks this is a 9-5 government gig will be sorely mistaken.


is nongovernmental PI (i.e. civil legal aid) similar in terms of hours?


I doubt it.

I should add though, that the hours are worse in the beginning. The learning curve is extremely steep. The more senior attorneys sure as hell aren't staying here past 6:30 every night. Probably because they already know how to do the things that take me 30 minutes to figure out how to do, and they can do it in 5 minutes while it would take me an hour.

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:09 am

Borhas wrote:
BlueLotus wrote:
Borhas wrote:I've been working about a week at the PD's office and I think I've worked 10-12 hours every weekday and 6 or so hours on saturday.

I haven't even prepped a trial yet.

I actually have enjoyed my time, but anyone who thinks this is a 9-5 government gig will be sorely mistaken.


is nongovernmental PI (i.e. civil legal aid) similar in terms of hours?


I doubt it.

I should add though, that the hours are worse in the beginning. The learning curve is extremely steep. The more senior attorneys sure as hell aren't staying here past 6:30 every night. Probably because they already know how to do the things that take me 30 minutes to figure out how to do, and they can do it in 5 minutes while it would take me an hour.


In Contra Costa County, the beginning misdemeanor attorneys get a ton of cases and many of them end up staying til Midnight several times a week. It gets a lot better for them once they get a handle on things after a year or two, and a hell of a lot better once they graduate to felonies.

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:17 am

Borhas wrote:I should add though, that the hours are worse in the beginning. The learning curve is extremely steep. The more senior attorneys sure as hell aren't staying here past 6:30 every night. Probably because they already know how to do the things that take me 30 minutes to figure out how to do, and they can do it in 5 minutes while it would take me an hour.

I SO know this feel.




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