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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:39 pm

Anonymous User wrote:has anyone heard about first interviews with contra costa for a post bar position? apparently they were supposed to start notifying us in november...


They said they were getting back to former summer interns by early November with a callback interview, but nothing yet. Their head public defender does those interviews, and she has been in a lot of conferences this month so she had to delay the interviews.

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:53 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:has anyone heard about first interviews with contra costa for a post bar position? apparently they were supposed to start notifying us in november...


They said they were getting back to former summer interns by early November with a callback interview, but nothing yet. Their head public defender does those interviews, and she has been in a lot of conferences this month so she had to delay the interviews.


lol should have known it was about contra costa PD and not DA

ignore my above post

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:19 pm

I got a polite rejection via snail mail from Miami PD today after table talking with them at EJW. Just FYI.

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:35 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:has anyone heard about first interviews with contra costa for a post bar position? apparently they were supposed to start notifying us in november...


They said they were getting back to former summer interns by early November with a callback interview, but nothing yet. Their head public defender does those interviews, and she has been in a lot of conferences this month so she had to delay the interviews.



No joke, got an email from Robin in the past hour! They could be watching this very thread! :shock:

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby spleenworship » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:33 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I got a polite rejection via snail mail from Miami PD today after table talking with them at EJW. Just FYI.


Sorry bro/sista.

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:44 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I got a polite rejection via snail mail from Miami PD today after table talking with them at EJW. Just FYI.


Same. And I had a scheduled interview, not table talk. I'm a 3L. I've been rejected now by two of the three PD offices I had pre-select interviews with (the other was NH). Nothing at all from the third or from the ones I table talked with.

Too bad. The Miami interview was my favorite - they really grill you and it's pretty invigorating. Oh well.

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:00 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:I got a polite rejection via snail mail from Miami PD today after table talking with them at EJW. Just FYI.


Same. And I had a scheduled interview, not table talk. I'm a 3L. I've been rejected now by two of the three PD offices I had pre-select interviews with (the other was NH). Nothing at all from the third or from the ones I table talked with.

Too bad. The Miami interview was my favorite - they really grill you and it's pretty invigorating. Oh well.


Can you elaborate on the grilling? I know you just got rejected and that blows, but I've got a follow up interview with them coming up and it would really really help me.

Good luck with your remaining interview.

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:01 pm

Still haven't heard anything from Miami and I had a scheduled interview too. Keep checking my mail everyday waiting for the inevitable rejection...

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:33 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:I got a polite rejection via snail mail from Miami PD today after table talking with them at EJW. Just FYI.


Same. And I had a scheduled interview, not table talk. I'm a 3L. I've been rejected now by two of the three PD offices I had pre-select interviews with (the other was NH). Nothing at all from the third or from the ones I table talked with.

Too bad. The Miami interview was my favorite - they really grill you and it's pretty invigorating. Oh well.


Can you elaborate on the grilling? I know you just got rejected and that blows, but I've got a follow up interview with them coming up and it would really really help me.

Good luck with your remaining interview.


Sure. This was a first-round, so if you already had that, then maybe it's not new to you. They were basically trying to get to whether I would tell a jury that my client was innocent even if ... and then ran through a bunch of scenarios. They were basically trying to figure out (I think) how hard you would fight while still staying within the ethical lines (do you have actual knowledge of x, y, z). They challenge your answers, and the trick is to know whether they disagree or whether they're trying to figure out if you're wishy washy. I thought I did OK, but apparently not. In any case, good luck!

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:40 am

so ive heard from the grapevine that mecklenburg pd office hires all of their interns.is this true?

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:25 am

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FlanAl wrote:Decided to get rid of that post because I submitted the app and don't want to second guess myself now haha.

BUT has anyone started emailing like continued interest emails to people? I applied to Bronx about a month ago and haven't heard a thing and was kind of thinking about reminding them of my existence. Also, how long do you think we should wait before totally showing our cards and telling offices that we will work there for free for like 6 months if they'll let us.


Many offices don't start interviewing seriously until the new year. I'd try to figure out through your career services office or alumni when these offices do their hiring so you're not overwhelming them with messages before then.

Re: Bronx Defenders, I've been told they don't start interviewing 3Ls until late November. I know many people who have interned there and applied as 3Ls, yet none have heard about interviews yet. Since Bronx prefers former interns, the fact that none of those people have heard anything may be a decent indication that they're not yet inviting people to interview.


I don't think that's true-- I've never interned there and they asked to interview me a month ago, just haven't scheduled it yet.

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:45 am

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Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I got a polite rejection via snail mail from Miami PD today after table talking with them at EJW. Just FYI.


Same. And I had a scheduled interview, not table talk. I'm a 3L. I've been rejected now by two of the three PD offices I had pre-select interviews with (the other was NH). Nothing at all from the third or from the ones I table talked with.

Too bad. The Miami interview was my favorite - they really grill you and it's pretty invigorating. Oh well.


Can you elaborate on the grilling? I know you just got rejected and that blows, but I've got a follow up interview with them coming up and it would really really help me.

Good luck with your remaining interview.


Sure. This was a first-round, so if you already had that, then maybe it's not new to you. They were basically trying to get to whether I would tell a jury that my client was innocent even if ... and then ran through a bunch of scenarios. They were basically trying to figure out (I think) how hard you would fight while still staying within the ethical lines (do you have actual knowledge of x, y, z). They challenge your answers, and the trick is to know whether they disagree or whether they're trying to figure out if you're wishy washy. I thought I did OK, but apparently not. In any case, good luck!



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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:16 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:
FlanAl wrote:Decided to get rid of that post because I submitted the app and don't want to second guess myself now haha.

BUT has anyone started emailing like continued interest emails to people? I applied to Bronx about a month ago and haven't heard a thing and was kind of thinking about reminding them of my existence. Also, how long do you think we should wait before totally showing our cards and telling offices that we will work there for free for like 6 months if they'll let us.


Many offices don't start interviewing seriously until the new year. I'd try to figure out through your career services office or alumni when these offices do their hiring so you're not overwhelming them with messages before then.

Re: Bronx Defenders, I've been told they don't start interviewing 3Ls until late November. I know many people who have interned there and applied as 3Ls, yet none have heard about interviews yet. Since Bronx prefers former interns, the fact that none of those people have heard anything may be a decent indication that they're not yet inviting people to interview.


I don't think that's true-- I've never interned there and they asked to interview me a month ago, just haven't scheduled it yet.

He's talking about second round interviews as they are just starting first rounds and beginning some second rounds. They do prefer former interns

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:18 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I got a polite rejection via snail mail from Miami PD today after table talking with them at EJW. Just FYI.


Same. And I had a scheduled interview, not table talk. I'm a 3L. I've been rejected now by two of the three PD offices I had pre-select interviews with (the other was NH). Nothing at all from the third or from the ones I table talked with.

Too bad. The Miami interview was my favorite - they really grill you and it's pretty invigorating. Oh well.


Can you elaborate on the grilling? I know you just got rejected and that blows, but I've got a follow up interview with them coming up and it would really really help me.

Good luck with your remaining interview.


Sure. This was a first-round, so if you already had that, then maybe it's not new to you. They were basically trying to get to whether I would tell a jury that my client was innocent even if ... and then ran through a bunch of scenarios. They were basically trying to figure out (I think) how hard you would fight while still staying within the ethical lines (do you have actual knowledge of x, y, z). They challenge your answers, and the trick is to know whether they disagree or whether they're trying to figure out if you're wishy washy. I thought I did OK, but apparently not. In any case, good luck!

So when answering these ethical questions what's the best way to proceed? Stick to your guns or go with what they say? I had an interview that was weird where they told me if they disagreed with me they wanted me to change my answer and there was no trick questions

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby MURPH » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:31 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Placed on Eligible List for San diego PD 1 with a score of 85...
Hopeless? Thoughts?

Me too. Same score for PD. I got 78 for the DA position which included points for military service.
I called and asked about the point system and looked on the web site. There is no standard of reference. I guess more points is better than less points but I don't know it if it on a scale of 1 - 100 or 1 to 1000. It is just a number. I don't know why I got a higher score for PD, when I used the exact same application and all my experience is prosecuting. Maybe it just depends on what the HR person had for breakfast that morning.

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:07 pm

Has anyone heard back from Brooklyn who interviewed at EJW?

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:51 pm

MURPH wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Placed on Eligible List for San diego PD 1 with a score of 85...
Hopeless? Thoughts?

Me too. Same score for PD. I got 78 for the DA position which included points for military service.
I called and asked about the point system and looked on the web site. There is no standard of reference. I guess more points is better than less points but I don't know it if it on a scale of 1 - 100 or 1 to 1000. It is just a number. I don't know why I got a higher score for PD, when I used the exact same application and all my experience is prosecuting. Maybe it just depends on what the HR person had for breakfast that morning.


70-100 is passing. I got a 71 on the DA app with more experience leaning towards prosecuting too. No extra points though or I might have got into the PD.

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:30 pm

Got an interview coming up with a DAs office and just realized an old professor of mine is now the main dean at a law school in the area. I'm assuming he interacts with them and might have some pull. Should I reach out to the dean and see if he would be willing to put in a good word for me?

im leaning yes

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:32 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Got an interview coming up with a DAs office and just realized an old professor of mine is now the main dean at a law school in the area. I'm assuming he interacts with them and might have some pull. Should I reach out to the dean and see if he would be willing to put in a good word for me?

im leaning yes


Definitely yes. What can it hurt? I reached out to an old prof who's a DA too…got an LOR I wasn't expecting.

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby deadpanic » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:18 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Got an interview coming up with a DAs office and just realized an old professor of mine is now the main dean at a law school in the area. I'm assuming he interacts with them and might have some pull. Should I reach out to the dean and see if he would be willing to put in a good word for me?

im leaning yes


For sure. Especially if the office is not a very big one. As wrong as it may be, a DA's office is a public office and people with clout are usually owed some favors. Make the call.

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby spleenworship » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:26 pm

deadpanic wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Got an interview coming up with a DAs office and just realized an old professor of mine is now the main dean at a law school in the area. I'm assuming he interacts with them and might have some pull. Should I reach out to the dean and see if he would be willing to put in a good word for me?

im leaning yes


For sure. Especially if the office is not a very big one. As wrong as it may be, a DA's office is a public office and people with clout are usually owed some favors. Make the call.

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:11 am

Anonymous User wrote:so ive heard from the grapevine that mecklenburg pd office hires all of their interns.is this true?

My understanding is that they have a preference for former interns, as most offices likely do. I have a friend who interned there as a 2L and was courted pretty aggressively for a post-grad job. This person would be an excellent candidate for any PD job though, so I doubt that holds true for all interns there.

Bear in mind also that that office doesn't ever hire a ton of new lawyers. I think they have around 25 interns each year but maybe only hire three to five new attorneys on average, so even if every new attorney was an intern from the previous year--unlikely--you're still not guaranteed a position by any means.

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:14 am

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Anonymous User wrote:so ive heard from the grapevine that mecklenburg pd office hires all of their interns.is this true?

My understanding is that they have a preference for former interns, as most offices likely do. I have a friend who interned there as a 2L and was courted pretty aggressively for a post-grad job. This person would be an excellent candidate for any PD job though, so I doubt that holds true for all interns there.

Bear in mind also that that office doesn't ever hire a ton of new lawyers. I think they have around 25 interns each year but maybe only hire three to five new attorneys on average, so even if every new attorney was an intern from the previous year--unlikely--you're still not guaranteed a position by any means.



Then again, I was clearly told that one person from interviews and one from table talk at EJW would almost certainly get hired.

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:25 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:so ive heard from the grapevine that mecklenburg pd office hires all of their interns.is this true?

My understanding is that they have a preference for former interns, as most offices likely do. I have a friend who interned there as a 2L and was courted pretty aggressively for a post-grad job. This person would be an excellent candidate for any PD job though, so I doubt that holds true for all interns there.

Bear in mind also that that office doesn't ever hire a ton of new lawyers. I think they have around 25 interns each year but maybe only hire three to five new attorneys on average, so even if every new attorney was an intern from the previous year--unlikely--you're still not guaranteed a position by any means.



Then again, I was clearly told that one person from interviews and one from table talk at EJW would almost certainly get hired.

I'm the anon who responded to the original question. Do you mean that Mecklenburg told those people on the spot or in follow-up communications that they're likely to get hired for post-grad jobs? I interviewed at EJW and got the impression that their hiring was kind of up in the air, but are they already suggesting to people that they may have a job if the office is in a position to hire?

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Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:30 am

Anonymous User wrote:I'm the anon who responded to the original question. Do you mean that Mecklenburg told those people on the spot or in follow-up communications that they're likely to get hired for post-grad jobs? I interviewed at EJW and got the impression that their hiring was kind of up in the air, but are they already suggesting to people that they may have a job if the office is in a position to hire?


I'm the anon you are asking this question of. I did table talk. At table talk he told us he always hires one from the interviews and tries to find the budget to hire another from the table talks.

He obviously isn't from Charlotte (I'm sure you noticed after the first or second "fucking" with a NYC accent), and I think he likes to get motivated outsiders in to shake shit up.




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