Re: How to be a Prosecution/PD Gunner?
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:21 pm
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Regarding the NJ AG, this is not true. They just hired at least a few new attorneys and as well as their volunteer rockstars. And while it's true the USAO in NJ is under a hiring freeze, that happens about every 5 years or so. Besides, that wouldn't affect most of us looking for right-out-of-law-school employment anyway since they don't hire out of law school.lawbanshee wrote:I don't need a "welcome." I've been grinding it out in this devilish farce of a "profession" since you guys were in junior high school.well, the "other articles" were actually one article about a New Jersey DA office
recession sucks, welcome to the economy
Anyone planning on a "career" as a DA or PD is delusional to the point of mental illness.
Hell, Kansas isn't even prosectuing domestic violence anymore:
http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
The trend is simply to prosecute less cases rather than hire more DA's. Prolly a good idea, we have too many laws as it is.
Guess reading isn'y your thing: the other article was about the NJ Legal Aid laying off 1/4 of its lawyers this year.
Also the NJ AG office no longer hires attorneys, they take on unpaid volunteers who are fully licensed and bar admitted. Same thing for NJ DOJ (US Attorney's) office.
This is a trend all across the country. I suggest you listen to Peter Schiff and Gerald Celente for an idea of how well this "recovery" is apt to play out. "Screwed" doesn't begin to define your situation.
Brooklyn and law school's in general make up BS employment infomsuz wrote:Wait so correct me if Im wrong... You were admitted to the bar in NY/NJ 2003, graduated top 1/3 of your class at Brooklyn on a Journal, and you've been doing doc review ever since? Isn't the median salary from your school like 140K?lawbanshee wrote:Admitted to both NY & NJ bars since 2003. Please inform us which bars you've passed and your experience working as an attorney and searching for jobs in this market. Thanks.Just ignore this guy, he doesn't know anything about these careers beyond what he's read on the internet. Don't let him derail the thread with this shit.
Not trying to be an ass, but if you are just bitter and ranting its kind of annoying.
No. I worked at several small firms, highest salary was 55 K back in late 2007.Wait so correct me if Im wrong... You were admitted to the bar in NY/NJ 2003, graduated top 1/3 of your class at Brooklyn on a Journal, and you've been doing doc review ever since?
lawbanshee wrote:I'm bored and need to poop.Wait so correct me if Im wrong... You were admitted to the bar in NY/NJ 2003, graduated top 1/3 of your class at Brooklyn on a Journal, and you've been doing doc review ever since?
HTH
It's entirely possible (probable even) that he's talking about 1L hiring. It would make perfect sense that December 1Ls would have the best luck because that's the soonest their applications are accepted. In other words, 1L december applicants have the best chance because their applications get in before the other 1Ls. It just wouldn't make sense for them to accept applications and then just put them at the bottom of the pile. It's possible though, I guess.Anonymous User wrote:Suffolk County (Boston) starts to accept applications at end of month. A buddy of mine who has interned there told me that those who apply in December actually have a better chance. Anyone heard of this?
Since your interest is NYC specifically, I have it on good authority that Vance is making a concerted effort to hire more "Ivy Leaguers" than Morgenthau did. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that you should go to a top school that has resources for public interest kids (i.e. summer funding, LRAP, etc.)HenryClay wrote:Awesome thread with helpful suggestions all around, thanks TLSers! My question for any and all is regarding school choice for ADA employment in NYC. I understand ADA hiring is less about prestige and more about commitment. That being said, would you folks recommend a higher ranked school (T14) outside the market you want to serve as an ADA, or a lower ranked school (T30) in the market your want to practice (with more chances for networking and proving commitment to specific DA's offices during the school year). Thanks for any advice!
Interesting, seeing as Vance is a GULC grad.Anonymous User wrote:Since your interest is NYC specifically, I have it on good authority that Vance is making a concerted effort to hire more "Ivy Leaguers" than Morgenthau did. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that you should go to a top school that has resources for public interest kids (i.e. summer funding, LRAP, etc.)HenryClay wrote:Awesome thread with helpful suggestions all around, thanks TLSers! My question for any and all is regarding school choice for ADA employment in NYC. I understand ADA hiring is less about prestige and more about commitment. That being said, would you folks recommend a higher ranked school (T14) outside the market you want to serve as an ADA, or a lower ranked school (T30) in the market your want to practice (with more chances for networking and proving commitment to specific DA's offices during the school year). Thanks for any advice!
I know someone who was in private defense and was just hired by a county DA's office.Anonymous User wrote:Anyone know how feasible going from private criminal defense to prosecution or the PD's office is?
Interesting -- I plan to return to the city every summer anyways, so I think your advice is sound. The T14 I'm looking at placed well in DANY and Bronx last year. ITE career service resources really count for a lot, after all. I was @ the NY forum last weekend and kind of underwhelmed by some schools' grasp on anything but biglaw placement (kudos to the Yale reps. though -- really enthusiastic and knowledgeable, totally changed my preconceived notions of them being overly focused on academics)Anonymous User wrote:Since your interest is NYC specifically, I have it on good authority that Vance is making a concerted effort to hire more "Ivy Leaguers" than Morgenthau did. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that you should go to a top school that has resources for public interest kids (i.e. summer funding, LRAP, etc.)HenryClay wrote:Awesome thread with helpful suggestions all around, thanks TLSers! My question for any and all is regarding school choice for ADA employment in NYC. I understand ADA hiring is less about prestige and more about commitment. That being said, would you folks recommend a higher ranked school (T14) outside the market you want to serve as an ADA, or a lower ranked school (T30) in the market your want to practice (with more chances for networking and proving commitment to specific DA's offices during the school year). Thanks for any advice!
I only have research and a few friends inside to go on, but my impression is that it really varies office-to-office and state-by-state. I know of offices whose offers are not contingent on passing the bar (well, its more like a formality), and others who won't look at you until you've passed. I also know many offices will give you the courtesy of an early interview if you intern 2L Summer. I imagine what grades they consider is dependent on the specific office's hiring timetable.Gettingstarted1928 wrote:Since most DA offices don't hire until after graduation when you pass the bar (unlike firms, obviously), it seems like they will look at grades over all three years. Is this accurate?
Your impression is 100% right, at least in regards to my own T14. I was completely on my own throughout my job searches. But in all fairness, they are trying to shape up their public interest office so even though I personally haven't benefitted, future classes probably will. And at least they had the summer stipends (though they have gotten smaller) and have LRAP, which I really appreciate. But you should probably be prepared to do much of the legwork yourself.HenryClay wrote:Interesting -- I plan to return to the city every summer anyways, so I think your advice is sound. The T14 I'm looking at placed well in DANY and Bronx last year. ITE career service resources really count for a lot, after all. I was @ the NY forum last weekend and kind of underwhelmed by some schools' grasp on anything but biglaw placement (kudos to the Yale reps. though -- really enthusiastic and knowledgeable, totally changed my preconceived notions of them being overly focused on academics)Anonymous User wrote:Since your interest is NYC specifically, I have it on good authority that Vance is making a concerted effort to hire more "Ivy Leaguers" than Morgenthau did. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that you should go to a top school that has resources for public interest kids (i.e. summer funding, LRAP, etc.)HenryClay wrote:Awesome thread with helpful suggestions all around, thanks TLSers! My question for any and all is regarding school choice for ADA employment in NYC. I understand ADA hiring is less about prestige and more about commitment. That being said, would you folks recommend a higher ranked school (T14) outside the market you want to serve as an ADA, or a lower ranked school (T30) in the market your want to practice (with more chances for networking and proving commitment to specific DA's offices during the school year). Thanks for any advice!
Which is why it would be great if somebody could tell us when to start mass mailing DA/PD offices.Anonymous User wrote:Your impression is 100% right, at least in regards to my own T14. I was completely on my own throughout my job searches. But in all fairness, they are trying to shape up their public interest office so even though I personally haven't benefitted, future classes probably will. And at least they had the summer stipends (though they have gotten smaller) and have LRAP, which I really appreciate. But you should probably be prepared to do much of the legwork yourself.HenryClay wrote:Interesting -- I plan to return to the city every summer anyways, so I think your advice is sound. The T14 I'm looking at placed well in DANY and Bronx last year. ITE career service resources really count for a lot, after all. I was @ the NY forum last weekend and kind of underwhelmed by some schools' grasp on anything but biglaw placement (kudos to the Yale reps. though -- really enthusiastic and knowledgeable, totally changed my preconceived notions of them being overly focused on academics)Anonymous User wrote:Since your interest is NYC specifically, I have it on good authority that Vance is making a concerted effort to hire more "Ivy Leaguers" than Morgenthau did. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that you should go to a top school that has resources for public interest kids (i.e. summer funding, LRAP, etc.)HenryClay wrote:Awesome thread with helpful suggestions all around, thanks TLSers! My question for any and all is regarding school choice for ADA employment in NYC. I understand ADA hiring is less about prestige and more about commitment. That being said, would you folks recommend a higher ranked school (T14) outside the market you want to serve as an ADA, or a lower ranked school (T30) in the market your want to practice (with more chances for networking and proving commitment to specific DA's offices during the school year). Thanks for any advice!
I'd rather not die right now, lol.Flash wrote:Is anybody going for a spot with the Cook County SA's office?
A'nold wrote:I'd rather not die right now, lol.Flash wrote:Is anybody going for a spot with the Cook County SA's office?
I was just joking about the danger of working in that area. I worked in a county that is nowhere near as crime ridden or dangerous but even while I was there prosecutors were receiving death threats.Rocky Estoppel wrote:A'nold wrote:I'd rather not die right now, lol.Flash wrote:Is anybody going for a spot with the Cook County SA's office?
1. volunteer in some sort of program that helps poor people as soon as you canFlanAl wrote:Borhas,
I'm very interested in working at the SD PD office this summer (current 1L). It looks pretty competitive according to their site they don't really take 1L's. I'm a San DIego native but my resume doesn't really scream public interest. Anything I can try to do between now and the application to remedy this? Also about when did you apply last year (I still can't talk to career services). Any advice ITT or via pm would be greatly appreciated.
For the rest of you have you possibly calculated the financial difference between DA/PD and big law? Take SD (with my very limited knowledge) big law starts at like $110-145k and DA/PD $60K. Obviously a big difference but with lrap, lower tax bracket, benefits etc. I was wondering if anyone has figured out how much disposable income they will be missing out on if they go da/pd vs. big law?
I hope that doesn't sound shitty (tell me how much money you could have made) I am genuinely curious and I'm sure some of you have thought about it.
Thanks!