That just doesn't make sense. Any law student can write motions and research. How are they going to distinguish post-bar candidates when they hire volunteer attorneys (or for other offices, entry level attorneys). I'm guessing the interview must be intense/test for these skills? The only other CA offices I know that has post-bars doing research are Riverside & LA. Don't think it's that common, at least in CA.Tanicius wrote:Most offices do things this way. I honestly don't understand why post-bars are given that type of work, when it seems to be both a better learning opportunity to let them do more substantive work, as well as a weight off the shoulders of overworked misdo attorneys.Anonymous User wrote:Why doe SF PD allow its interns to speak on the record but assigns its post-bars to the research unit? Also what kind of people do the volunteer attorney program? Who can afford to live in SF and work for free? I'm guessing they get fellowship funding or something?
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Need some advice from you experts about the CA PD process. I'm starting a post-bar internship with a rather large PD's office next week. I've spent both summers there and have a pretty good resume geared at eventually landing a PD job. Unfortunately, my school didn't know a damn thing about the process, and I'm kinda lost too.
Is the idea that I just keep interning there until the bar results come out, keep my eyes open for new job postings from counties all over the state, and apply whenever any of them are hiring? I realize this is very basic stuff, but I just want to make sure I'm not missing out on obvious steps. Thanks.
Is the idea that I just keep interning there until the bar results come out, keep my eyes open for new job postings from counties all over the state, and apply whenever any of them are hiring? I realize this is very basic stuff, but I just want to make sure I'm not missing out on obvious steps. Thanks.
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Depends on the office. Some offices only (or mostly) hire out of their post-bar pool and hire sometime soon after bar results come in. (SD, Alameda, Contra Costa, LA). Other offices don't hire but allow you to volunteer, depends on funding. Did you have 3 rounds of interviewing bf you got your post-bar spot? or did they just let you post-bar after one interview? btw, why didn't you ask this during your interview?Anonymous User wrote:Need some advice from you experts about the CA PD process. I'm starting a post-bar internship with a rather large PD's office next week. I've spent both summers there and have a pretty good resume geared at eventually landing a PD job. Unfortunately, my school didn't know a damn thing about the process, and I'm kinda lost too.
Is the idea that I just keep interning there until the bar results come out, keep my eyes open for new job postings from counties all over the state, and apply whenever any of them are hiring? I realize this is very basic stuff, but I just want to make sure I'm not missing out on obvious steps. Thanks.
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Hmmm, good to know. So few offices will hire someone who was not part of their post-bar pool, or its just rare for them to do so? I didn't have an interview for my post bar spot. I emailed them in the early spring telling them I would love to come back after the bar. They responded with something like, "great. we'd be happy to have you back. send us a resume and cover letter in late spring." I did that, and received an email shortly thereafter stating, "thanks. see you in august."Anonymous User wrote:Depends on the office. Some offices only (or mostly) hire out of their post-bar pool and hire sometime soon after bar results come in. (SD, Alameda, Contra Costa, LA). Other offices don't hire but allow you to volunteer, depends on funding. Did you have 3 rounds of interviewing bf you got your post-bar spot? or did they just let you post-bar after one interview? btw, why didn't you ask this during your interview?Anonymous User wrote:Need some advice from you experts about the CA PD process. I'm starting a post-bar internship with a rather large PD's office next week. I've spent both summers there and have a pretty good resume geared at eventually landing a PD job. Unfortunately, my school didn't know a damn thing about the process, and I'm kinda lost too.
Is the idea that I just keep interning there until the bar results come out, keep my eyes open for new job postings from counties all over the state, and apply whenever any of them are hiring? I realize this is very basic stuff, but I just want to make sure I'm not missing out on obvious steps. Thanks.
From my two summers there, I do know that this particular office looks to hire from their post-bar pool, but will reach outside of it if there are exceptional candidates applying. No guarantees though.
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Not much else you can do broAnonymous User wrote:Need some advice from you experts about the CA PD process. I'm starting a post-bar internship with a rather large PD's office next week. I've spent both summers there and have a pretty good resume geared at eventually landing a PD job. Unfortunately, my school didn't know a damn thing about the process, and I'm kinda lost too.
Is the idea that I just keep interning there until the bar results come out, keep my eyes open for new job postings from counties all over the state, and apply whenever any of them are hiring? I realize this is very basic stuff, but I just want to make sure I'm not missing out on obvious steps. Thanks.
Try to get in on some trials and develop a good rep around the management
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I'm a recent tier 1 graduate who accepted a PD position at Legal Aid with zero help from my school's career center.
Re: EJW - absolutely go. I only got interviews with New Hampshire and Palm Beach, but the "table talk" portion is 100% what got me in the door at LAS. Also made great connections with Bronx, Harlem, Maryland, Miami, etc. My advice is to apply to as many interviews as you can before the deadline (make a spreadsheet), but also keep a list of all the others you're interested in talking to at the fair/applying cold afterwards. It also helps if you've submitted apps to these places before the fair, but also fine if you refer to EJW in your cover letter post-fair.
The listings will keep getting posted up until the deadline (I remember one job got posted like a day before the deadline). Apply to as many as your can, but don't be discouraged if you don't get an interview. Treat EJW as super important - get your stuff on resume paper, wear a good suit, suck up your pride and network like a champ. They give you a big list of all the employers and a map of the room - plot out your strategy and wait your turn to have a few minutes face-to-face with the employers. Tell em your deal, make sure they get your resume, and follow up with a thank you email. Remember most PDs have separate applications, and not getting a 1st round through the formal EJW system means little. I spent maybe 3 minutes talking with someone at LAS, followed up, and then got a 2nd round interview in NY (they treated table talk as my first round).
Good luck to you all! But highly highly recommend EJW/cold applications.
I'm a recent tier 1 graduate who accepted a PD position at Legal Aid with zero help from my school's career center.
Re: EJW - absolutely go. I only got interviews with New Hampshire and Palm Beach, but the "table talk" portion is 100% what got me in the door at LAS. Also made great connections with Bronx, Harlem, Maryland, Miami, etc. My advice is to apply to as many interviews as you can before the deadline (make a spreadsheet), but also keep a list of all the others you're interested in talking to at the fair/applying cold afterwards. It also helps if you've submitted apps to these places before the fair, but also fine if you refer to EJW in your cover letter post-fair.
The listings will keep getting posted up until the deadline (I remember one job got posted like a day before the deadline). Apply to as many as your can, but don't be discouraged if you don't get an interview. Treat EJW as super important - get your stuff on resume paper, wear a good suit, suck up your pride and network like a champ. They give you a big list of all the employers and a map of the room - plot out your strategy and wait your turn to have a few minutes face-to-face with the employers. Tell em your deal, make sure they get your resume, and follow up with a thank you email. Remember most PDs have separate applications, and not getting a 1st round through the formal EJW system means little. I spent maybe 3 minutes talking with someone at LAS, followed up, and then got a 2nd round interview in NY (they treated table talk as my first round).
Good luck to you all! But highly highly recommend EJW/cold applications.
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oh, and also don't be discouraged if your EJW interviews suck. They really are "good experience" for the ones that you'll get by following up with more desirable offices. For example, NH really cares about grades, I had a shitty evidence grade, they were super brutal about it. I lived.Anonymous User wrote:Hey all:
I'm a recent tier 1 graduate who accepted a PD position at Legal Aid with zero help from my school's career center.
Re: EJW - absolutely go. I only got interviews with New Hampshire and Palm Beach, but the "table talk" portion is 100% what got me in the door at LAS. Also made great connections with Bronx, Harlem, Maryland, Miami, etc. My advice is to apply to as many interviews as you can before the deadline (make a spreadsheet), but also keep a list of all the others you're interested in talking to at the fair/applying cold afterwards. It also helps if you've submitted apps to these places before the fair, but also fine if you refer to EJW in your cover letter post-fair.
The listings will keep getting posted up until the deadline (I remember one job got posted like a day before the deadline). Apply to as many as your can, but don't be discouraged if you don't get an interview. Treat EJW as super important - get your stuff on resume paper, wear a good suit, suck up your pride and network like a champ. They give you a big list of all the employers and a map of the room - plot out your strategy and wait your turn to have a few minutes face-to-face with the employers. Tell em your deal, make sure they get your resume, and follow up with a thank you email. Remember most PDs have separate applications, and not getting a 1st round through the formal EJW system means little. I spent maybe 3 minutes talking with someone at LAS, followed up, and then got a 2nd round interview in NY (they treated table talk as my first round).
Good luck to you all! But highly highly recommend EJW/cold applications.
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This is interesting and encouraging information. Thanks anon!jlb815 wrote:oh, and also don't be discouraged if your EJW interviews suck. They really are "good experience" for the ones that you'll get by following up with more desirable offices. For example, NH really cares about grades, I had a shitty evidence grade, they were super brutal about it. I lived.Anonymous User wrote:Hey all:
I'm a recent tier 1 graduate who accepted a PD position at Legal Aid with zero help from my school's career center.
Re: EJW - absolutely go. I only got interviews with New Hampshire and Palm Beach, but the "table talk" portion is 100% what got me in the door at LAS. Also made great connections with Bronx, Harlem, Maryland, Miami, etc. My advice is to apply to as many interviews as you can before the deadline (make a spreadsheet), but also keep a list of all the others you're interested in talking to at the fair/applying cold afterwards. It also helps if you've submitted apps to these places before the fair, but also fine if you refer to EJW in your cover letter post-fair.
The listings will keep getting posted up until the deadline (I remember one job got posted like a day before the deadline). Apply to as many as your can, but don't be discouraged if you don't get an interview. Treat EJW as super important - get your stuff on resume paper, wear a good suit, suck up your pride and network like a champ. They give you a big list of all the employers and a map of the room - plot out your strategy and wait your turn to have a few minutes face-to-face with the employers. Tell em your deal, make sure they get your resume, and follow up with a thank you email. Remember most PDs have separate applications, and not getting a 1st round through the formal EJW system means little. I spent maybe 3 minutes talking with someone at LAS, followed up, and then got a 2nd round interview in NY (they treated table talk as my first round).
Good luck to you all! But highly highly recommend EJW/cold applications.
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Anyone have any info on SF PD screener interview for post-bars? Do most PD offices just give screeners to anyone w a decent PI resume?
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This is a side but related topic: does anyone have any experience in applying to work in criminal appeals or post-conviction relief departments?
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What? Since when does SFPD do post-bar positions?Anonymous User wrote:Anyone have any info on SF PD screener interview for post-bars? Do most PD offices just give screeners to anyone w a decent PI resume?
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Idk the history of sf pd but they are interviewing for post bar clerks. They are confined to the research unit but you'll be able to contend for a volunteer attorney position...Idk if it's worth it but SF pd is elite and the vap provides excellent training.Tanicius wrote:What? Since when does SFPD do post-bar positions?Anonymous User wrote:Anyone have any info on SF PD screener interview for post-bars? Do most PD offices just give screeners to anyone w a decent PI resume?
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Anonymous User wrote:Idk the history of sf pd but they are interviewing for post bar clerks. They are confined to the research unit but you'll be able to contend for a volunteer attorney position...Idk if it's worth it but SF pd is elite and the vap provides excellent training.Tanicius wrote:What? Since when does SFPD do post-bar positions?Anonymous User wrote:Anyone have any info on SF PD screener interview for post-bars? Do most PD offices just give screeners to anyone w a decent PI resume?
I'm sure it does. Have you been seeking fellowship funding? Working at SF PD would be great but I wouldn't be able to afford living on nothing for a year in the Bay Area.
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Well that's the discouraging part of even interviewing w SF. The vap program is for 4 months but from my understanding ejw fellowships require you to work on a project in the office, so you'd be missing out on the misdo training. I don't understand why post-bars get paid but they have volunteer attorney cycles that run for 4 months. their starting salary is 98k, which is ridiculously high-why not cut that down 30k or something. I get col but still..idk. If anyone could demystify becoming a level one PD in SF, that would be nice.Tanicius wrote:Anonymous User wrote:Idk the history of sf pd but they are interviewing for post bar clerks. They are confined to the research unit but you'll be able to contend for a volunteer attorney position...Idk if it's worth it but SF pd is elite and the vap provides excellent training.Tanicius wrote:What? Since when does SFPD do post-bar positions?Anonymous User wrote:Anyone have any info on SF PD screener interview for post-bars? Do most PD offices just give screeners to anyone w a decent PI resume?
I'm sure it does. Have you been seeking fellowship funding? Working at SF PD would be great but I wouldn't be able to afford living on nothing for a year in the Bay Area.
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My understanding is that SFPD doesn't really hire new people, like ever. They take laterals with several years of experience from other PD offices, or biglaw alums.Anonymous User wrote:
Well that's the discouraging part of even interviewing w SF. The vap program is for 4 months but from my understanding ejw fellowships require you to work on a project in the office, so you'd be missing out on the misdo training. I don't understand why post-bars get paid but they have volunteer attorney cycles that run for 4 months. their starting salary is 98k, which is ridiculously high-why not cut that down 30k or something. I get col but still..idk. If anyone could demystify becoming a level one PD in SF, that would be nice.
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Is it just me, or is the EJW job screen only show 3 jobs for everyone else too?
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Yeah only 3 jobs showing up for me as well.
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golfer89 wrote:Yeah only 3 jobs showing up for me as well.
They are filling me with confidence right now.
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They had about 40 jobs up on ejw under the guest account, but now its only showing 3. Idk if this is just for the guest account or all accounts.
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My boss from this summer is letting me write my own letter of rec. Cool...but how do I even go about this?
What things should I say that would be green lights instead of red flags?
What things should I say that would be green lights instead of red flags?
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What exactly is a statement of interest? In contrast to a cover letter? Brooklyn DA wants a SoI as well as a cover letter, and their app opens in the next few days. Anyone have advice?
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My guess is that a statement of interest is a brief "Why I want to be a prosecutor" thing, whereas a cover letter is (obviously) more "I am interested in the job. Here's a brief thing about my experience that makes me extra cool. Please find my resume enclosed."Anonymous User wrote:What exactly is a statement of interest? In contrast to a cover letter? Brooklyn DA wants a SoI as well as a cover letter, and their app opens in the next few days. Anyone have advice?
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Thanks for replying. How long should it be? It seems like 1 pg double-spaced is too short, but 1 pg single-spaced seems too long.Void wrote:My guess is that a statement of interest is a brief "Why I want to be a prosecutor" thing, whereas a cover letter is (obviously) more "I am interested in the job. Here's a brief thing about my experience that makes me extra cool. Please find my resume enclosed."Anonymous User wrote:What exactly is a statement of interest? In contrast to a cover letter? Brooklyn DA wants a SoI as well as a cover letter, and their app opens in the next few days. Anyone have advice?
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I have no idea- I don't even know whether I'm write about my last post. Just guessing. That said, I imagine a large paragraph or two medium paragraphs would be fine. It's probably just extra fodder for potential interview topics.Anonymous User wrote:Thanks for replying. How long should it be? It seems like 1 pg double-spaced is too short, but 1 pg single-spaced seems too long.Void wrote:My guess is that a statement of interest is a brief "Why I want to be a prosecutor" thing, whereas a cover letter is (obviously) more "I am interested in the job. Here's a brief thing about my experience that makes me extra cool. Please find my resume enclosed."Anonymous User wrote:What exactly is a statement of interest? In contrast to a cover letter? Brooklyn DA wants a SoI as well as a cover letter, and their app opens in the next few days. Anyone have advice?
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Fair enough. I mean honestly your guess is as good as mine, and I've only found a few other threads about this. Maybe I'll just try to find someone to email.Void wrote:I have no idea- I don't even know whether I'm write about my last post. Just guessing. That said, I imagine a large paragraph or two medium paragraphs would be fine. It's probably just extra fodder for potential interview topics.Anonymous User wrote:Thanks for replying. How long should it be? It seems like 1 pg double-spaced is too short, but 1 pg single-spaced seems too long.Void wrote:My guess is that a statement of interest is a brief "Why I want to be a prosecutor" thing, whereas a cover letter is (obviously) more "I am interested in the job. Here's a brief thing about my experience that makes me extra cool. Please find my resume enclosed."Anonymous User wrote:What exactly is a statement of interest? In contrast to a cover letter? Brooklyn DA wants a SoI as well as a cover letter, and their app opens in the next few days. Anyone have advice?
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