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Postby reversejinx » Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:35 am

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Re: Going deep in NYU's class?

Postby vamedic03 » Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:07 am

reversejinx wrote:Not sure if this is the right forum to post in, but I'm wondering if anyone here has any experience/knowledge/hearsay of a big firm's hiring practices, and would be willing to (anonymously) answer a few questions. I'm currently deciding between attending Michigan and NYU, and I've heard a lot about how much more placement power NYU has in biglaw. I'd like to know if your firm has a preference for one school over the other. If so, can you say anything about how deep in NYU's class your firm goes (GPA/rankings/etc.), compared to Michigan's? Obviously the goal is to do as well as possible in law school, but if I'm in the bottom half of the class at each school, is NYU still a guaranteed biglaw job, but Michigan isn't? Thanks for any info you can provide!


If you're in the bottom half of the class at any school, outside Yale, Big Law is far from guaranteed.

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Re: Going deep in NYU's class?

Postby reversejinx » Thu Apr 28, 2011 4:57 pm

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Re: Going deep in NYU's class?

Postby Kohinoor » Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:06 pm

I have this DVD.

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Re: Going deep in NYU's class?

Postby vamedic03 » Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:10 pm

reversejinx wrote:
vamedic03 wrote:If you're in the bottom half of the class at any school, outside Yale, Big Law is far from guaranteed.


Guarantee was probably the wrong word to use. I only meant to accentuate any potential difference there might be. My literal question is "Is there a difference in how big firms treat NYU and Michigan grads at or below median, and if so how big is that difference?"


It's an uphill battle at both. It's probably going to be firm specific and very particularized to the individual.

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Re: Going deep in NYU's class?

Postby npe » Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:07 pm

Kohinoor wrote:I have this DVD.

underrated

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Re: Going deep in NYU's class?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:07 pm

vamedic03 wrote:
reversejinx wrote:Not sure if this is the right forum to post in, but I'm wondering if anyone here has any experience/knowledge/hearsay of a big firm's hiring practices, and would be willing to (anonymously) answer a few questions. I'm currently deciding between attending Michigan and NYU, and I've heard a lot about how much more placement power NYU has in biglaw. I'd like to know if your firm has a preference for one school over the other. If so, can you say anything about how deep in NYU's class your firm goes (GPA/rankings/etc.), compared to Michigan's? Obviously the goal is to do as well as possible in law school, but if I'm in the bottom half of the class at each school, is NYU still a guaranteed biglaw job, but Michigan isn't? Thanks for any info you can provide!


If you're in the bottom half of the class at any school, outside Yale, Big Law is far from guaranteed.


Stanford too?

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Re: Going deep in NYU's class?

Postby DoubleChecks » Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:15 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
vamedic03 wrote:
reversejinx wrote:Not sure if this is the right forum to post in, but I'm wondering if anyone here has any experience/knowledge/hearsay of a big firm's hiring practices, and would be willing to (anonymously) answer a few questions. I'm currently deciding between attending Michigan and NYU, and I've heard a lot about how much more placement power NYU has in biglaw. I'd like to know if your firm has a preference for one school over the other. If so, can you say anything about how deep in NYU's class your firm goes (GPA/rankings/etc.), compared to Michigan's? Obviously the goal is to do as well as possible in law school, but if I'm in the bottom half of the class at each school, is NYU still a guaranteed biglaw job, but Michigan isn't? Thanks for any info you can provide!


If you're in the bottom half of the class at any school, outside Yale, Big Law is far from guaranteed.


Stanford too?


Well, it depends on how you read vamedic's comment. If by guaranteed, he literally meant guaranteed, then even in the bottom half of the class at YALE, you would not be guaranteed big law (yes there are YLS graduates who want biglaw and dont get it -- those at the very bottom...happens once in a blue moon).

If you don't read it as if he meant "100% guaranteed", then it depends. At HLS and SLS, being in the top of the bottom half is hardly a kiss of death. In fact, it is so hard to tell with SLS and HLS grades where median really is, that unless you're clearly in the bottom 10, 20%, I don't think it would be a crazy strike against you.

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Re: Going deep in NYU's class?

Postby Stanford4Me » Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:29 pm

We're not even allowed to discuss how far firms go into our class because firms are concerned about maintaining their reputations (i.e. we only recruit from the top X%). I doubt you'll get anyone at a firm to tell you how deep they go. Good luck, though. NYU btw.

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Re: Going deep in NYU's class?

Postby Stanislaw Carter » Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:40 pm

We're not even allowed to discuss how far firms go into our class because firms are concerned about maintaining their reputations (i.e. we only recruit from the top X%). I doubt you'll get anyone at a firm to tell you how deep they go. Good luck, though. NYU btw.


Doesn't mean that you can't post that information. Has already been leaked many times.

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Re: Going deep in NYU's class?

Postby Kohinoor » Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:06 pm

Stanford4Me wrote:We're not even allowed to discuss how far firms go into our class because firms are concerned about maintaining their reputations (i.e. we only recruit from the top X%).

lolwut

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Postby Anonymous User » Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:12 pm

Kohinoor wrote:
Stanford4Me wrote:We're not even allowed to discuss how far firms go into our class because firms are concerned about maintaining their reputations (i.e. we only recruit from the top X%).

lolwut


He's somewhat right. Last year a couple firms were miffed to discover that their "grade requirements" placed them in the second-highest tier of selectivity at NYU, rather than the highest tier, and felt that because of their "eliteness" and because of the selectivity of their "peer" firms, they had to become more selective. They then became more selective.

What's funny is that a number of those firms returned to the recruiting market in November and December because not enough people accepted their offers. Turns out that, even in a bad economy, while it's tough for students to get offers from top firms, it's also tough for firms to get top students.

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Re: Going deep in NYU's class?

Postby DoubleChecks » Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:17 pm

Kohinoor wrote:
Stanford4Me wrote:We're not even allowed to discuss how far firms go into our class because firms are concerned about maintaining their reputations (i.e. we only recruit from the top X%).

lolwut


maybe it's school specific (or only some firms do it), i dont recall hearing this from my firm lol.

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Re: Going deep in NYU's class?

Postby Stanford4Me » Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:27 pm

Kohinoor wrote:
Stanford4Me wrote:We're not even allowed to discuss how far firms go into our class because firms are concerned about maintaining their reputations (i.e. we only recruit from the top X%).

lolwut

Should have disclaimed that I was quoting what we were told.

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Re: Going deep in NYU's class?

Postby nyckid » Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:28 pm

I'm a 0L, and my info comes from a NYU alum who called me to sell me on the school, so take with a grain of salt. He said that all levels of NYU grads, top, medium and bottom, can get market ($160,000) jobs. Don't know if that necessarily implies BigLaw or not, but thought it could help.

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Re: Going deep in NYU's class?

Postby Stanford4Me » Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:33 pm

nyckid wrote:I'm a 0L, and my info comes from a NYU alum who called me to sell me on the school, so take with a grain of salt. He said that all levels of NYU grads, top, medium and bottom, can get market ($160,000) jobs. Don't know if that necessarily implies BigLaw or not, but thought it could help.

I'll just say that a vast majority of NYU students who want Biglaw get it, and firms go deeper in our class than they say.

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Re: Going deep in NYU's class?

Postby Renzo » Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:09 pm

Two years ago about 80% of NYU OCI participants got at least one offer. 80% of students are not in the top half of the class, so...

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Re: Going deep in NYU's class?

Postby Kohinoor » Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:34 pm

Stanford4Me wrote:
Kohinoor wrote:
Stanford4Me wrote:We're not even allowed to discuss how far firms go into our class because firms are concerned about maintaining their reputations (i.e. we only recruit from the top X%).

lolwut

Should have disclaimed that I was quoting what we were told.

I mean, our career services makes a similar request of us but framing it as verboten is a bit much. If I wanted to talk about it, they can't stop me.

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Re: Going deep in NYU's class?

Postby XxSpyKEx » Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:43 am

Renzo wrote:Two years ago about 80% of NYU OCI participants got at least one offer. 80% of students are not in the top half of the class, so...


Notice the difference in the highlighted words... And I thought the number was 70% ?

EDIT- just to clarify, I'm not saying that below median students at NYU aren't going to get biglaw, but it's not clear as to how far below median firms dig (but 2 years ago, it clearly was not down to 80% of the total class).

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Re: Going deep in NYU's class?

Postby Stanford4Me » Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:53 am

If I remember correctly (too lazy to look), 82% of students at last year's OCI received offers. Plenty of students below median received offers.

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Re: Going deep in NYU's class?

Postby DoubleChecks » Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:32 am

Stanford4Me wrote:If I remember correctly (too lazy to look), 82% of students at last year's OCI received offers. Plenty of students below median received offers.


wow, just me or is that better than HLS stats..?

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Re: Going deep in NYU's class?

Postby XxSpyKEx » Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:17 am

DoubleChecks wrote:
Stanford4Me wrote:If I remember correctly (too lazy to look), 82% of students at last year's OCI received offers. Plenty of students below median received offers.


wow, just me or is that better than HLS stats..?


Stanford4Me said "last year's OCI" (i.e. fall 2010 -- I didn't even know this information was available for NYU or HLS), whereas renzo was talking about NYU's OCI 2 years ago (i.e. fall 2009 -- which I know info is available somewhere for NYU and HLS). If Stanford4Me actually meant fall 2009 OCI at NYU was 82%, then I'm pretty sure that's better than HLS's stats for that year (but I don't think NYU did that well in fall 2009 -- that year was a bloodbath).

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fall 2010 -- I didn't even know this information was available for NYU


It is.

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Re: Going deep in NYU's class?

Postby DoubleChecks » Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:59 am

XxSpyKEx wrote:
DoubleChecks wrote:
Stanford4Me wrote:If I remember correctly (too lazy to look), 82% of students at last year's OCI received offers. Plenty of students below median received offers.


wow, just me or is that better than HLS stats..?


Stanford4Me said "last year's OCI" (i.e. fall 2010 -- I didn't even know this information was available for NYU or HLS), whereas renzo was talking about NYU's OCI 2 years ago (i.e. fall 2009 -- which I know info is available somewhere for NYU and HLS). If Stanford4Me actually meant fall 2009 OCI at NYU was 82%, then I'm pretty sure that's better than HLS's stats for that year (but I don't think NYU did that well in fall 2009 -- that year was a bloodbath).


i wish our information were at least clear for even 2 years ago. it actually takes a lot of extrapolation and guesswork to get a decent offer rate out of the spreadsheet. but i dont think the highest interpretation broke 80%.

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Re: Going deep in NYU's class?

Postby Stanislaw Carter » Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:02 am

i wish our information were at least clear for even 2 years ago. it actually takes a lot of extrapolation and guesswork to get a decent offer rate out of the spreadsheet. but i dont think the highest interpretation broke 80%.


I've been hearing a lot, from HLS students, about how placement hasn't been so hot for the last two years. But, in my opinion, it has more to do with self-selection than HLS's rep. There is a lot more geographic diversity in where students end up working after HLS, compared to CLS and NYU. Since those other markets are much more competitive than NYC, it wouldn't surprise me at all if geographic diversity accounted for the differences in placement. In order to improve, I suppose HLS students have the choice of bidding on more NYC firms or simply riding out the wave and waiting for the economy to improve in those non-NYC markets.




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