Academia - entry level hiring for 2011 Forum

[twistedwrister]

Nice data here: http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblaw ... mmary.html

H 17
Y 14
NYU 10
Col. 9
Mich. 9
S 7
Berk. 5
Chi. 4
Hastings 3
ND 3
Penn 3
V, Cornell, Duke, GT, Howard, UBC 2

76/121 had clerkships.

[Sentry]

Looks like Other Law School is the best for academia.

[bk1]

Damn, there was one baller who became a law prof without a law degree?

[gwuorbust]

Schools in the “other” category with one JD who was hired: Barry,

wonder if Nova hired this person. . .

[twistedwrister]

Updated: http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblaw ... .html#more

H 19
Y 18
Mich, NYU 10
Columbia, Stanford 9
Berkeley 6
Chicago 5
Cornell 4
Duke / Gtown / Hastings / ND / Penn / Tex 3
USC / UVA / Howard / UBC 2
Northwestern / bunch of others 1

71% had a fellowship, 49% have an advanced degree, and 60% did a clerkship.

[FlightoftheEarls]

Thanks for the link, and now I've updated my charts with the most recent data points from the past 8 years of the T14 Entry Level Academia Hiring: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... a#p4188514.

[CanadianWolf]

There are several law profs without law degrees throughout the country. Not common, but not unknown.

[bdubs]

There are several law profs without law degrees throughout the country. Not common, but not unknown.

Example: Dan Rubinfeld

[CanadianWolf]

Also, if I recall correctly, Cornell Law has one or two law professors without law degrees.

[The Brainalist]

If you remove those with advanced degrees it looks more like this (ordered by estimated rank by placed/class size):

Y 12
S 5
H 13
Chi 3
NYU 5
Col 4
Mich 4
Berk 3

For my counting, I took out all grad school candidates, even if the MA arguably has less value than a PhD or LLM.

[Rotor]

There are several law profs without law degrees throughout the country. Not common, but not unknown.

Example: Dan Rubinfeld

Had Prof. Rubinfeld as a guest lecturer in Antitrust this semester. Probably the best day of the entire semester. Would have loved to have had him every day--JD or no JD.

bdubs: Thanks for the subtle anti Boalt trolling by posting his NYU bio.

[bdubs]

There are several law profs without law degrees throughout the country. Not common, but not unknown.

Example: Dan Rubinfeld

Had Prof. Rubinfeld as a guest lecturer in Antitrust this semester. Probably the best day of the entire semester. Would have loved to have had him every day--JD or no JD.

bdubs: Thanks for the subtle anti Boalt trolling by posting his NYU bio.

Yeah, sorry I had to choose and I was admitted to NYU but didn't end up applying to Boalt. Either way, Rubinfeld shows that you can be a rock star in a "Law & " subject without having a JD.

I think the interesting thing that this showed me was which schools were hiring at the entry level and which weren't. I don't know if it is purely cyclical, but Chicago was the only T6 to hire at the entry level and a good chunk of the T14 had no listed hires.

Does this mean that top schools largely prefer to do lateral hires from lower tier schools, or do they just not have new hires every year?

[The Brainalist]

I thought this exchange was interesting, too:

You are missing *a lot* of information, and there are also errors (i.e., folks hired last year credit to this year). If you want corrections, let me know. But if you want to be done with it, I can understand that too!

Posted by: Brian | May 16, 2011 12:59:55 PM

Thanks, Brian. I know you're right (only 99 out of 200 schools with information!). Nonetheless, I set a hard deadline for the report of May 15 just so that I could move on with things, and I think I'm going to call it quits for this year so that it doesn't become a summer project as well.

More generally, the missing and incorrect information is one of the great flaws of this being a self-reporting process--all I can say about this report is, these are the entry level hires as reported to me directly either through the comments on PrawfsBlawg or on email on or prior to May 15, 2011. In that sense, this "report" is very unlike (and far inferior to) your surveys and rankings, which actually seek to gather full and correct information through wide research, as opposed to just asking people to email information to you.

But yes, we are missing information on fully half of law schools, so people should take this for exactly what it is worth (i.e., not much).

So, the author bows ultimately to leiter's authority anyway. Go figure.

[Rotor]

There are several law profs without law degrees throughout the country. Not common, but not unknown.

Example: Dan Rubinfeld

Had Prof. Rubinfeld as a guest lecturer in Antitrust this semester. Probably the best day of the entire semester. Would have loved to have had him every day--JD or no JD.

bdubs: Thanks for the subtle anti Boalt trolling by posting his NYU bio.

Yeah, sorry I had to choose and I was admitted to NYU but didn't end up applying to Boalt. Either way, Rubinfeld shows that you can be a rock star in a "Law & " subject without having a JD.

I think the interesting thing that this showed me was which schools were hiring at the entry level and which weren't. I don't know if it is purely cyclical, but Chicago was the only T6 to hire at the entry level and a good chunk of the T14 had no listed hires.

Does this mean that top schools largely prefer to do lateral hires from lower tier schools, or do they just not have new hires every year?

Oh I know. Just friendly ribbing; hence the emoticon.

We've had a few entry level hires in the last year+.