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Re: Moving to NYC with no JOB

Postby Moxie » Sun Mar 20, 2011 3:55 pm

Crazy4lawzzz wrote:
Moxie wrote:
Crazy4lawzzz wrote:The problem is I hear that firms really look down on public interest type lawyers (esp. poverty type law) and I would not be getting the type of experience that would be relevant to areas of law that really make money.


I doubt they look down on PI lawyers more so than unemployed LS graduates.

OP, this seems like a clear decision to me (and most of the others posters in this thread) - take the job, and search for an NYC position while being employed in PA. While the PA job isn't ideal, it's at least money, and give you something to put on your resume.


I can volunteer as an atty somewhere and put that on my resume too. Also, if I take PA job I take PA bar. I can't really look anywhere else without having to take their Bar too. U guys are so damn pessimistic.


Then grow up and stop consulting an online forum for advice repeatedly. Do whatever you want, but go do SOMETHING and stop bitching about it online.

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Re: Moving to NYC with no JOB

Postby Wholigan » Sun Mar 20, 2011 3:56 pm

You obviously are determined to move to NYC, so I don't see your point in fighting the current here. I hope you'll agree to come back and let us know how it goes. You still haven't answered the people who have asked why you weren't able to land a job in NY while in law school or make any meaningful connections in the city (presumably) and why you think you will be successful at this now, when you weren't while in school. Believe it or not, it seems like it's a lot easier to network and get your foot in the door somewhere while you're in law school than when you're out there doing doc review or unemployed.

And since your plan is to do doc review in NYC, I hope you've read the entire "losing game" article in the Times. It sounds silly since I think everyone on here has read it, but I have a feeling you haven't. I have not done doc review, but from what I have read, it is not uncommon to have to work the overnight shift or to have to agree to crazy hours like ten straight 18-hour days. That's assuming you can fight your way through the hundreds of people who want the work.

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Re: Moving to NYC with no JOB

Postby nealric » Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:11 pm

I'm an associate at a big firm in NYC. I can confirm that there is 0% chance the OP would be considered for a position right now. As for smaller firms, people are scrambling to take small firm jobs at 35k/yr in NYC. If you are fine with that salary, than more power to you, but I would think QOL on that salary in NYC would be very low. You would either have to cram into a tiny apartment with an absurd number of roommates or spend half your day commuting.

As for doc review, I've done it in very small doses during one of my law school summers. Calling it mind numbing is giving it too much credit. Not only that, but you might as well put a big red stamp that says "don't hire me" on your resume as do doc review.

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Re: Moving to NYC with no JOB

Postby Nicholasnickynic » Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:37 pm

Crazy4lawzzz wrote:I just have a hard time believing that once I really get into the city that there won't be anything available. just seems ridiculously pessimistic realistic.


FTFY. Oh P.S. : You are worried that PI will look bad and that you won't get hired. Doc Review is worse. Its shit hours doing shit work that you could easily do with out a JD. Employers who see doc review think- this person could not get a real job.

I want you to fill in the blank. Pretend you are talking to an employer:

Despite the fact that I could not get hired in NYC during lawschool, and have not been able to get a full time legal job in NYC,

you should hire me over:
1. unemployed grads,
2. laid-off big law lawyers (that really do have solid work exp),
3. other doc review workers,
4. students that have interned with you (that have better work exp, in addition to better school and/or better grades),
5. people who have worked big law jobs at other firms, and
6. people who have worked big gov't jobs
because ____________ .


If you can fill in this blank and not sound like a complete and total idiot, go to NY. Otherwise GTFO.
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Re: Moving to NYC with no JOB

Postby stonepeep » Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:40 pm

So, wait. You're worried about taking a PI job because you think it will taint your resume, but your bright shiny alternative is to do doc review?

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Re: Moving to NYC with no JOB

Postby 1234543523 » Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:41 pm

Moving to the most expensive city in the United States with no job, no job prospects and a TTT degree with middling grades. What could possibly go wrong?

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Re: Moving to NYC with no JOB

Postby RPK34 » Sun Mar 20, 2011 5:05 pm

f7 wrote:Moving to the most expensive city in the United States with no job, no job prospects and a TTT degree with middling grades. What could possibly go wrong?


You forgot the part where he's passing up a job offer.

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Re: Moving to NYC with no JOB

Postby keg411 » Sun Mar 20, 2011 5:24 pm

RPK34 wrote:
f7 wrote:Moving to the most expensive city in the United States with no job, no job prospects and a TTT degree with middling grades. What could possibly go wrong?


You forgot the part where he's passing up a job offer.


Seriously, that's the worst of it :(.

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Re: Moving to NYC with no JOB

Postby Crazy4lawzzz » Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:04 pm

Ican
nealric wrote:I'm an associate at a big firm in NYC. I can confirm that there is 0% chance the OP would be considered for a position right now. As for smaller firms, people are scrambling to take small firm jobs at 35k/yr in NYC. If you are fine with that salary, than more power to you, but I would think QOL on that salary in NYC would be very low. You would either have to cram into a tiny apartment with an absurd number of roommates or spend half your day commuting.

As for doc review, I've done it in very small doses during one of my law school summers. Calling it mind numbing is giving it too much credit. Not only that, but you might as well put a big red stamp that says "don't hire me" on your resume as do doc review.


So I have a decent chance at getting 30k or so at a law firm in NYC? Or doc review? This PI job pays around that and I don't have to live right in manhattan. This is all temporary also until I build enough contacts and experience to get a better position.

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Re: Moving to NYC with no JOB

Postby Crazy4lawzzz » Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:04 pm

Ican
nealric wrote:I'm an associate at a big firm in NYC. I can confirm that there is 0% chance the OP would be considered for a position right now. As for smaller firms, people are scrambling to take small firm jobs at 35k/yr in NYC. If you are fine with that salary, than more power to you, but I would think QOL on that salary in NYC would be very low. You would either have to cram into a tiny apartment with an absurd number of roommates or spend half your day commuting.

As for doc review, I've done it in very small doses during one of my law school summers. Calling it mind numbing is giving it too much credit. Not only that, but you might as well put a big red stamp that says "don't hire me" on your resume as do doc review.


So I have a decent chance at getting 30k or so at a law firm in NYC? Or doc review? This PI job pays around that and I don't have to live right in manhattan. This is all temporary also until I build enough contacts and experience to get a better position.

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Re: Moving to NYC with no JOB

Postby vamedic03 » Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:08 pm

Crazy4lawzzz wrote:Ican
nealric wrote:I'm an associate at a big firm in NYC. I can confirm that there is 0% chance the OP would be considered for a position right now. As for smaller firms, people are scrambling to take small firm jobs at 35k/yr in NYC. If you are fine with that salary, than more power to you, but I would think QOL on that salary in NYC would be very low. You would either have to cram into a tiny apartment with an absurd number of roommates or spend half your day commuting.

As for doc review, I've done it in very small doses during one of my law school summers. Calling it mind numbing is giving it too much credit. Not only that, but you might as well put a big red stamp that says "don't hire me" on your resume as do doc review.


So I have a decent chance at getting 30k or so at a law firm in NYC? Or doc review? This PI job pays around that and I don't have to live right in manhattan. This is all temporary also until I build enough contacts and experience to get a better position.


I still think you're an elaborate flame. You continually change your story or your plans or your "arguments" to keep this thread going. I find it especially interesting that you just appeared a couple weeks ago and have set about starting a variety of inane threads.

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Re: Moving to NYC with no JOB

Postby fanmingrui » Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:15 pm

[quote][/quote]I still think you're an elaborate flame. You continually change your story or your plans or your "arguments" to keep this thread going. I find it especially interesting that you just appeared a couple weeks ago and have set about starting a variety of inane threads.

Definitely a flame.

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Re: Moving to NYC with no JOB

Postby Crazy4lawzzz » Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:20 pm

Whatever. I've been very consistent. I just don't see how moving to nyc is any different from exploring other cities. Cost of living yes but I can live outside manhattan for awhile. PI law is not for everyone. I don't want to deal with that. I just want some advice now on whether it is feasible to secure some sort of legal work until something better shows up. Like the 30k job or doc review a previous poster commented on. Is there a good chance of getting something like that or are those opportunities incredibly scarce as well.

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Re: Moving to NYC with no JOB

Postby birdlaw117 » Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:24 pm

Crazy4lawzzz wrote:Whatever. I've been very consistent. I just don't see how moving to nyc is any different from exploring other cities. Cost of living yes but I can live outside manhattan for awhile. PI law is not for everyone. I don't want to deal with that. I just want some advice now on whether it is feasible to secure some sort of legal work until something better shows up. Like the 30k job or doc review a previous poster commented on. Is there a good chance of getting something like that or are those opportunities incredibly scarce as well.

What people are saying is that while these positions may not be exactly "scarce," they will actually hurt your chances of getting a better position. Oh, and they're pretty scarce, too.
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Re: Moving to NYC with no JOB

Postby Crazy4lawzzz » Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:32 pm

Fine. I give up. I just had a slimmer of hope that maybe I can still be successful. Ill just accept that I'm gonna be a loser regardless and go from there. Thanks.

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Re: Moving to NYC with no JOB

Postby YourCaptain » Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:35 pm

Crazy4lawzzz wrote:Fine. I give up. I just had a slimmer of hope that maybe I can still be successful. Ill just accept that I'm gonna be a loser regardless and go from there. Thanks.


.....and.....this flame is over.

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Re: Moving to NYC with no JOB

Postby Grizz » Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:35 pm

Crazy4lawzzz wrote:Fine. I give up. I just had a slimmer glimmer of hope that maybe I can still be successful. Ill just accept that I'm gonna be a loser regardless and go from there. Thanks.


Now you're getting it.

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Re: Moving to NYC with no JOB

Postby keg411 » Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:44 pm

Crazy4lawzzz wrote:Fine. I give up. I just had a slimmer of hope that maybe I can still be successful. Ill just accept that I'm gonna be a loser regardless and go from there. Thanks.


Taking the PA PI job would mean you would NOT be a loser. Moving to NYC with no job would mean you would be a loser. Do you get it yet?

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Re: Moving to NYC with no JOB

Postby Wholigan » Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:52 pm

I defended OP against being a flame earlier, but am starting to think he is an elaborate flame. He said he has $15k loans here and in another thread:

Crazy4lawzzz wrote:I have full loans and I am looking at approx. $1200/month in loan payments, I think.


He also said in various forums that Penn is overrated, and someone should go to Syracuse at sticker because "it's worth it to have access to the NYC market."

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Re: Moving to NYC with no JOB

Postby Nicholasnickynic » Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:09 pm

Crazy4lawzzz wrote:Ican
nealric wrote:I'm an associate at a big firm in NYC. I can confirm that there is 0% chance the OP would be considered for a position right now. As for smaller firms, people are scrambling to take small firm jobs at 35k/yr in NYC. If you are fine with that salary, than more power to you, but I would think QOL on that salary in NYC would be very low. You would either have to cram into a tiny apartment with an absurd number of roommates or spend half your day commuting.

As for doc review, I've done it in very small doses during one of my law school summers. Calling it mind numbing is giving it too much credit. Not only that, but you might as well put a big red stamp that says "don't hire me" on your resume as do doc review.


So I have a decent chance at getting 30k or so at a law firm in NYC? Or doc review? This PI job pays around that and I don't have to live right in manhattan. This is all temporary also until I build enough contacts and experience to get a better position.


Regardless of whether or not this is a flame, I have post this link after reading the above.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA

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Re: Moving to NYC with no JOB

Postby keg411 » Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:37 pm

Wholigan wrote:I defended OP against being a flame earlier, but am starting to think he is an elaborate flame. He said he has $15k loans here and in another thread:

Crazy4lawzzz wrote:I have full loans and I am looking at approx. $1200/month in loan payments, I think.


He also said in various forums that Penn is overrated, and someone should go to Syracuse at sticker because "it's worth it to have access to the NYC market."


I believed the flame too. Bleh, stupid trolls :(. Although I prefer troll to walking onto the bridge trying to figure out which 3L I needed to smack some sense into with my ConLaw book :lol: :lol:.

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Re: Moving to NYC with no JOB

Postby 1234543523 » Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:15 pm

Wholigan wrote:I defended OP against being a flame earlier, but am starting to think he is an elaborate flame. He said he has $15k loans here and in another thread:

Crazy4lawzzz wrote:I have full loans and I am looking at approx. $1200/month in loan payments, I think.


He also said in various forums that Penn is overrated, and someone should go to Syracuse at sticker because "it's worth it to have access to the NYC market."

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Re: Moving to NYC with no JOB

Postby dresden doll » Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:35 pm

Wholigan wrote:
He also said in various forums that Penn is overrated, and someone should go to Syracuse at sticker because "it's worth it to have access to the NYC market."


LOL, horrific. So, NYLS > UVA, too?

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Re: Moving to NYC with no JOB

Postby Crazy4lawzzz » Sun Mar 20, 2011 11:13 pm

really helpful guys, thanks.

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Re: Moving to NYC with no JOB

Postby fatduck » Sun Mar 20, 2011 11:15 pm

username="Crazy4lawzzz"

i rest my case.




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