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Re: 2011 Top 50 Go-To Law Schools

Postby BCLS » Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:39 pm

dakatz wrote:
Blindmelon wrote:BU/BC > USC/Vand/UT is surprising... with UCLA breaking about the UT/Vand/UCLA group. Of course, this doesn't account for clerkships which would push Vand/UT above BU/BC, but this is surprising.


Lol, now the BC homers have some extra ammo. They will fight tooth and nail over their additional 3.58% :)


Don't be upset :D BC FTW

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Re: 2011 Top 50 Go-To Law Schools

Postby solidsnake » Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:40 pm

UCLA>yale zOMG!!! west coast revolution

so much for UChi being the clerkship powerhouse that tls proclaims it to be.

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Re: 2011 Top 50 Go-To Law Schools

Postby dakatz » Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:41 pm

BCLS wrote:
dakatz wrote:
Blindmelon wrote:BU/BC > USC/Vand/UT is surprising... with UCLA breaking about the UT/Vand/UCLA group. Of course, this doesn't account for clerkships which would push Vand/UT above BU/BC, but this is surprising.


Lol, now the BC homers have some extra ammo. They will fight tooth and nail over their additional 3.58% :)


Don't be upset :D BC FTW


Lol, I'd point to USNews to reassert our dominance, but those rankings are going more and more out the window each time we see these NLJ250 figures. I mean, both of us are ranked below a steaming pile of WUSTL for crying out loud. How much credibility can it have :)

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Re: 2011 Top 50 Go-To Law Schools

Postby dakatz » Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:42 pm

solidsnake wrote:UCLA>yale zOMG!!! west coast revolution

so much for UChi being the clerkship powerhouse that tls proclaims it to be.


Um, these figures have nothing to do with clerkships. Not sure what you are talking about.

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Re: 2011 Top 50 Go-To Law Schools

Postby D-hops » Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:42 pm

My impressions:

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Re: 2011 Top 50 Go-To Law Schools

Postby BlueDiamond » Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:42 pm

solidsnake wrote:UCLA>yale zOMG!!! west coast revolution

so much for UChi being the clerkship powerhouse that tls proclaims it to be.


their firm placement means they cant also have clerkship placements?

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Re: 2011 Top 50 Go-To Law Schools

Postby Unitas » Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:43 pm

I am surprised Georgetown put more bodies into the NJ250 than Columbia did and came so close to number of Harvard.

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Re: 2011 Top 50 Go-To Law Schools

Postby solidsnake » Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:47 pm

dakatz wrote:
solidsnake wrote:UCLA>yale zOMG!!! west coast revolution

so much for UChi being the clerkship powerhouse that tls proclaims it to be.


Um, these figures have nothing to do with clerkships. Not sure what you are talking about.


Wow your deductive skills must have served you well in law school, genius.

schools like yls being ranked so low reflect higher number of its grads doing other things (like clerkships) -- not whether they actually had a lower chance at joining nlj250 firms.

unless you make the argument that uchi kids had the chance at clerkships but turned them down for firm jobs, then the inverse of the above holds true. Ans common knowledge says you don't turn down a judge once you get the offer, so the stats suggest that there were less clerkship offers (perhaps less kids applying, to be fair) for uchi kids than in years past.
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Re: 2011 Top 50 Go-To Law Schools

Postby BCLS » Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:47 pm

dakatz wrote:
BCLS wrote:
dakatz wrote:
Blindmelon wrote:BU/BC > USC/Vand/UT is surprising... with UCLA breaking about the UT/Vand/UCLA group. Of course, this doesn't account for clerkships which would push Vand/UT above BU/BC, but this is surprising.


Lol, now the BC homers have some extra ammo. They will fight tooth and nail over their additional 3.58% :)


Don't be upset :D BC FTW


Lol, I'd point to USNews to reassert our dominance, but those rankings are going more and more out the window each time we see these NLJ250 figures. I mean, both of us are ranked below a steaming pile of WUSTL for crying out loud. How much credibility can it have :)

lol I'd rather see job placement stats than the U.S. News Rankings anyday. But to be fair im completely kidding, 3% is nothing. BC=BU, BU=BC

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Re: 2011 Top 50 Go-To Law Schools

Postby fatduck » Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:47 pm

BCLS wrote:
dakatz wrote:Lol, I'd point to USNews to reassert our dominance, but those rankings are going more and more out the window each time we see these NLJ250 figures. I mean, both of us are ranked below a steaming pile of WUSTL for crying out loud. How much credibility can it have :)

lol I'd rather see job placement stats than the U.S. News Rankings anyday. But to be fair im completely kidding, 3% is nothing. BC=BU, BU=BC

get a room

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Re: 2011 Top 50 Go-To Law Schools

Postby Helmholtz » Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:49 pm

Unitas wrote:I am surprised Georgetown put more bodies into the NJ250 than Columbia did and came so close to number of Harvard.


And yet the number of GULC grads who didn't get into the NLJ250 is nearly as big as Columbia's entire class.

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Re: 2011 Top 50 Go-To Law Schools

Postby paulinaporizkova » Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:50 pm

Helmholtz wrote:
Unitas wrote:I am surprised Georgetown put more bodies into the NJ250 than Columbia did and came so close to number of Harvard.


And yet the number of GULC grads who didn't get into the NLJ250 is nearly as big as Columbia's entire class.

tou-fucking-che

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Re: 2011 Top 50 Go-To Law Schools

Postby dakatz » Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:52 pm

solidsnake wrote:
dakatz wrote:
solidsnake wrote:UCLA>yale zOMG!!! west coast revolution

so much for UChi being the clerkship powerhouse that tls proclaims it to be.


Um, these figures have nothing to do with clerkships. Not sure what you are talking about.


Wow your deductive skills must have served you well in law school, genius.

schools like yls being ranked so low reflect higher number of its grads doing other things (like clerkships) -- not whether they actually had a lower chance at joining nlj250 firms.


What you just said I already know. I completely understand that YLS is low in big firm placement because many to clerkships. But are you implying that high bigfirm placement means that clerkship placement is low? Dude, 42% of their class does something other than bigfirm work. If the majority of that leftover 42% are doing clerkships then yeah, I'd say their clerkship placement is pretty awesome

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Re: 2011 Top 50 Go-To Law Schools

Postby Unitas » Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:52 pm

paulinaporizkova wrote:
Helmholtz wrote:
Unitas wrote:I am surprised Georgetown put more bodies into the NJ250 than Columbia did and came so close to number of Harvard.


And yet the number of GULC grads who didn't get into the NLJ250 is nearly as big as Columbia's entire class.

tou-fucking-che


+1

I didn't mean to imply that Georgetown's number was good, but it still surprises me.

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Re: 2011 Top 50 Go-To Law Schools

Postby Helmholtz » Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:58 pm

Averaged over the last three years:

Chicago: 60.22
Columbia: 60.03
UPenn: 57.27
Northwestern: 54.39
Cornell: 53.94
NYU: 52.92
Berkeley: 52.74
UVA: 52.36
Harvard: 51.61
Stanford: 50.67
Duke: 49.88
Michigan: 49.49
GULC: 43.13
Vanderbilt: 40.50
USC: 39.21
BC: 37.99
UCLA: 37.81
BU: 35.27
GWU: 33.29
Fordham: 32.93

Schools not listed because of lack of 2008 data: Yale, Texas

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Re: 2011 Top 50 Go-To Law Schools

Postby JG Hall » Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:09 am

I'd like to see the difference between Vault placement and NLJ 250 placement, for a) prestige whoring and b) the difference is probably comprised of more regional firms.

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Re: 2011 Top 50 Go-To Law Schools

Postby re-applicant » Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:10 am

Helmholtz wrote:Averaged over the last three years:

Chicago: 60.22
Columbia: 60.03
UPenn: 57.27
Northwestern: 54.39
Cornell: 53.94
NYU: 52.92
Berkeley: 52.74
UVA: 52.36
Harvard: 51.61
Stanford: 50.67
Duke: 49.88
Michigan: 49.49
GULC: 43.13
Vanderbilt: 40.50
USC: 39.21
BC: 37.99
UCLA: 37.81
BU: 35.27
GWU: 33.29
Fordham: 32.93

Schools not listed because of lack of 2008 data: Yale, Texas


What's the other half of Harvard doing? It's easy to say the leftovers from Yale are clerking and doing other things, but Harvard's class is much bigger.

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Re: 2011 Top 50 Go-To Law Schools

Postby twistedwrister » Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:12 am

School 2010 2011 change
Cornell 41.5 58.3 16.8
Chicago 53.1 59 5.9
Penn 50.8 53.1 2.3
Harvard 47.6 49.7 2.1
Columbia 54.4 55.2 0.8
Yale 35.3 33.8 -1.5
Boalt 50 45.6 -4.4
GULC 42.8 37.6 -5.2
Virginia 52.8 46.8 -6
NYU 50.1 43.3 -6.8
Michigan 51 42.4 -8.6
NW 55.9 44.4 -11.5
Duke 49.8 38 -11.8
Stanford 54.1 41.6 -12.5

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Re: 2011 Top 50 Go-To Law Schools

Postby Trequartista » Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:24 am

Why won't people talk about Cornell's awesome numbers? :wink:

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Re: 2011 Top 50 Go-To Law Schools

Postby dakatz » Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:27 am

And I turned down Cornell why? Lol, If I wasn't doing well at (and if I wasn't so happy with) where I currently attended, I'd honestly be regretting that decision.

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Re: 2011 Top 50 Go-To Law Schools

Postby BruceWayne » Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:29 am

Wow I've always been one to say that things weren't as bad as people were saying, and I was never one to listen to that autoadmit bs, but when it's from an official source like this I have to change my tune. This is unreal. I think helmholtz and a few others in this thread have been on here for a while, but for those of us who were on TLS before 2008 this is just a complete turn around. People on here used to say "go to GULC sticker; you'll get biglaw no problem". The vault guides said things like "getting big law from CLS is like shooting fish in a barrel" and "UVA's placement is phenomenal. Unless you want Wachtell and only Wachtell you'll be fine". NLJ numbers for the top 10 were in the high 50's. Now you have the number 6 school on the list placing less than half in the nlj250 (and the thing that's so scary is that nlj250 is much more comprehensive than vault rankings. If this was Vault I'd actually say things were really good. Vaults heavily NYC focused. But for these numbers to be nlj). Ugh why did things have to crash when I decided to go to law school.............

I kind of wish I had taken the risk and ED'd to UChicago.......
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Re: 2011 Top 50 Go-To Law Schools

Postby rose711 » Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:31 am

Where can I find the previous years' numbers? I want to add up the total number of jobs and compare them on an aggregate basis. I wonder if the number of jobs has decreased substantially. Which, duh - but I want to get a handle on that - how many entry level biglaw jobs are gone as of this most recent report?
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Re: 2011 Top 50 Go-To Law Schools

Postby dakatz » Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:33 am

BruceWayne wrote:Wow I've always been one to say that things weren't as bad as people were saying, and I was never one to listen to that autoadmit bs, but when it's from an official source like this I have to change my tune. This is unreal. I think helmholtz and a few others in this thread have been on here for a while, but for those of us who were on TLS before 2008 this is just a complete turn around. People on here used to say "go to GULC sticker; you'll get biglaw no problem". The vault guides said things like "getting big law from CLS is like shooting fish in a barrel" and "UVA's placement is phenomenal. Unless you want Wachtell and only Wachtell you'll be fine". NLJ numbers for the top 10 were in the high 50's. Now you have the number 6 school on the list placing less than half in the nlj250 (and the thing that's so scary is that nlj250 is much more comprehensive than vault rankings. If this was Vault I'd actually say things were really good. Vaults heavily NYC focused--but for these numbers to be nlj). Ugh why did things have to crash when I decided to go to law school.............

I kind of wish I had taken the wish and ED'd to UChicago.......


Lol its a sad dose of irony that I managed 2 T14 acceptances, and they end up the top 2 schools on this list. I guess someone is trying to tell me I made a bad decision turning them down.

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Re: 2011 Top 50 Go-To Law Schools

Postby smittytron3k » Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:35 am

re-applicant wrote:
Helmholtz wrote:Averaged over the last three years:

Chicago: 60.22
Columbia: 60.03
UPenn: 57.27
Northwestern: 54.39
Cornell: 53.94
NYU: 52.92
Berkeley: 52.74
UVA: 52.36
Harvard: 51.61
Stanford: 50.67
Duke: 49.88
Michigan: 49.49
GULC: 43.13
Vanderbilt: 40.50
USC: 39.21
BC: 37.99
UCLA: 37.81
BU: 35.27
GWU: 33.29
Fordham: 32.93

Schools not listed because of lack of 2008 data: Yale, Texas


What's the other half of Harvard doing? It's easy to say the leftovers from Yale are clerking and doing other things, but Harvard's class is much bigger.


Tons of us clerk (I think around 20 percent, nothing like Yale though). Also significant numbers going into government, PI, non-NLJ250 firms (boutiques and some regional midsize firms), and then a sizable (for HLS) chunk scrambling to get a job. I'm sure there are some horror stories but the mood here is pretty upbeat with regards to employment.

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Re: 2011 Top 50 Go-To Law Schools

Postby BruceWayne » Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:39 am

dakatz wrote:
BruceWayne wrote:Wow I've always been one to say that things weren't as bad as people were saying, and I was never one to listen to that autoadmit bs, but when it's from an official source like this I have to change my tune. This is unreal. I think helmholtz and a few others in this thread have been on here for a while, but for those of us who were on TLS before 2008 this is just a complete turn around. People on here used to say "go to GULC sticker; you'll get biglaw no problem". The vault guides said things like "getting big law from CLS is like shooting fish in a barrel" and "UVA's placement is phenomenal. Unless you want Wachtell and only Wachtell you'll be fine". NLJ numbers for the top 10 were in the high 50's. Now you have the number 6 school on the list placing less than half in the nlj250 (and the thing that's so scary is that nlj250 is much more comprehensive than vault rankings. If this was Vault I'd actually say things were really good. Vaults heavily NYC focused--but for these numbers to be nlj). Ugh why did things have to crash when I decided to go to law school.............

I kind of wish I had taken the wish and ED'd to UChicago.......


Lol its a sad dose of irony that I managed 2 T14 acceptances, and they end up the top 2 schools on this list. I guess someone is trying to tell me I made a bad decision turning them down.


OK I hate to sound like a crybaby but in all seriousness, no TLS hyperbole just real talk. What is going to happen to the people in the top 14 who miss biglaw/fed clerkship/pi? Are people with TOP 10 law degrees really going to be living at home with their parents working at RadioShack???? What have you guys heard from the people who struck out at OCI and don't have anything lined up (3Ls) what are they doing?! And the thing is that the worse class is class of 2011!!!!

Oh and people need to stop pissing on UChicago. They have NEVER had less than 51/2 percent biglaw placement AND they have high placement into top Vault firms, AND they have had lawyer/judge assessment scores higher than ANY school except HYS and CLS EVERY YEAR. AND they've placed more SCOTUS clerks than Stanford over the last decade. I don't give a damn what TLS says, Chicago is only barely behind Stanford. I used to love that school but I chickened out on ED because of their weak LRAP and I was afraid of ice cold Chicago....now I kind of regret it.




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