mst wrote:Summary of this thread: NLJ releases data. Students go too far in making assumptions on data.
NYU's drop could very likely be associated with its huge PI schtick. 70+ in PI (in positions that generally are good enough for biglaw placement) makes a big difference in %, and honestly if you had the choice of chasing big-law with a probability of being no-offered or deferred and then being let go in a few years regardless vs pursuing notable PI with one of the most generous LRAP's in existence, which would you choose? Columbia & Chicago just don't attact the same kind of PI-leaning folks, nor do they place as well into PI, as NYU. When you combine NYU's PI & NLJ250 numbers you get numbers comparable or better than Chicago's and Columbia's, assuming their prestigious PI placement is not nearly as high as NYU's (a leap of faith has to be made here, but I don't think it's an unreasonable one).
And to the person who suggested that those who place into PI are just no-offers, you're probably wrong. A good portion of those positions are extremely competitive and I don't think I'm going too far by suggesting they could probably have gotten solid SA's + offers had that been their preference.
Somehow people can look at Yale and Harvard and see their low numbers and be perfectly fine suggesting their people self-select out of big law, yet they can't look at a school like NYU... one of, if not THE premiere PI schools in the country... and assume that this is just that school's way of responding to a shitty economy 1-2 years ago.
then explain why NYU fell more ITE compared to Chicago and Columbia?
they used to almost 70+% in biglaw during '07 like Chicago and Columbia....but now have fallen alot more than the other 2
are you suggesting that NYU students the past 2 years have just gotten more PI conscious than NYU students of the past.....and if so then why can't the same be true of Columbia and Chicago students
men lie....women lie.....numbers don't
the numbers show that almost every school has taken a big fall since the meltdown.........the numbers also show that NYU has fallen more steeply than its supposed peers Chicago and Columbia
as a result we have two option
a) NYU just isn't as good as Columbia or Chicago when it comes to placement outside NYC
b) your theory
I'll go with option A because option B requires unsubstantiated assumptions. And as Occam's razor says, the simplest explanation is usually the right one.