For the record, Texas rates are so low in part because it's common to split the summer in Texas, and they also hire a lot of 1L SAs - both of which make no-offers more common than in other markets.
BruceWayne wrote:LA is looking pretty good. High offer rate, decent number of firms, lower COL than NYC and DC but a nice place (or so I've heard). Why is LA so infrequently mentioned on TLS? Whenever people talk California they're just mentioning San Francisco. Is LA as "insular" as San Francisco?
(1) LA is a small legal market compared to NYC / DC / Chicago, though still objectively large. Ties are also pretty important.
(2) For most people geography isn't a black box. It either serves as a proxy for type of work (DC = gov't based, NYC = finance, Texas = oil/gas, SV = IP / venture, etc.) or has important meanings to a person with respect to geographic preference and family/friends. Most people thus pick where they look for work based on work they want to do + where they want to be, not offer rate / number of firms / CoL.
No I get that. But that shouldn't affect the number of people on here who want to work there. What, is no one on TLS from LA? It's the second most populated metro area in the country.
Rand M. wrote: BruceWayne wrote: dakatz wrote:
BruceWayne wrote:Wow I've always been one to say that things weren't as bad as people were saying, and I was never one to listen to that autoadmit bs, but when it's from an official source like this I have to change my tune. This is unreal. I think helmholtz and a few others in this thread have been on here for a while, but for those of us who were on TLS before 2008 this is just a complete turn around. People on here used to say "go to GULC sticker; you'll get biglaw no problem". The vault guides said things like "getting big law from CLS is like shooting fish in a barrel" and "UVA's placement is phenomenal. Unless you want Wachtell and only Wachtell you'll be fine". NLJ numbers for the top 10 were in the high 50's. Now you have the number 6 school on the list placing less than half in the nlj250 (and the thing that's so scary is that nlj250 is much more comprehensive than vault rankings. If this was Vault I'd actually say things were really good. Vaults heavily NYC focused--but for these numbers to be nlj). Ugh why did things have to crash when I decided to go to law school.............
I kind of wish I had taken the wish and ED'd to UChicago.......
Lol its a sad dose of irony that I managed 2 T14 acceptances, and they end up the top 2 schools on this list. I guess someone is trying to tell me I made a bad decision turning them down.
OK I hate to sound like a crybaby but in all seriousness, no TLS hyperbole just real talk. What is going to happen to the people in the top 14 who miss biglaw/fed clerkship/pi? Are people with TOP 10 law degrees really going to be living at home with their parents working at RadioShack???? What have you guys heard from the people who struck out at OCI and don't have anything lined up (3Ls) what are they doing?! And the thing is that the worse class is class of 2011!!!!
Oh and people need to stop pissing on UChicago. They have NEVER had less than 51/2 percent biglaw placement AND they have high placement into top Vault firms, AND they have had lawyer/judge assessment scores higher than ANY school except HYS and CLS EVERY YEAR. AND they've placed more SCOTUS clerks than Stanford over the last decade. I don't give a damn what TLS says, Chicago is only barely behind Stanford. I used to love that school but I chickened out on ED because of their weak LRAP and I was afraid of ice cold Chicago....now I kind of regret it.
Weren't you also mad that Chicago grades LRW?
Didn't you rank it as nearly the worst option in the T14 b/c of that?
Hell yeah. I think grading LRW encourages the (already) overly competitive nature of law school and it just gives employers another reason to make unimportant distinctions. But that's a personal subjective qualm. You'll never hear me say ANYTHING bad about UChicago's placement. When it comes to the facts your school has always dominated. It's one of the reasons why I used to be so interested in going there. For all the "CCN" and "top 6" garbage that TLS pushes (which has NEVER been supported with objective placement data, only overall UNSWR rank). Chicago and Columbia are clearly on another level from any school except HYS.
That nearly worst thing is hyperbole. I just said that out of the so called "CCN" Chicago would personally make me uncomfortable because of the graded LRW. But honestly I'm going to give the school it's due, even with graded LRW it's been beating down on NYU in placement in every facet for years--contrary to all the TLS top 6 lore. At one point you all were even out placing NYU into NYC firms--that may still be true.
Rand M. wrote:
If you're choosing between 2 otherwise equivalent schools, it makes total sense to pick the one with the P/F LRW. Law school is enough stress and bs as it is. You might as well cut yourself some slack.
Weren't you also mad that Chicago grades LRW? Didn't you rank it as nearly the worst option in the T14 b/c of that?
If you even remotely choose a school based on whether LRW is graded, you're doing it wrong.
Hell no you're not. If you are choosing between 2 otherwise equivalent schools (say CLS and UChi) and you don't have any preference, it makes total sense to go with the P/F LRW school. LS is enough stress, competition, and BS as it is. You might as well cut yourself a little bit of slack.