What do you consider Biglaw?

(On Campus Interviews, Summer Associate positions, Firm Reviews, Tips, ...)
Forum rules
Anonymous Posting

Anonymous posting is only appropriate when you are revealing sensitive employment related information about a firm, job, etc. You may anonymously respond on topic to these threads. Unacceptable uses include: harassing another user, joking around, testing the feature, or other things that are more appropriate in the lounge.

Failure to follow these rules will get you outed, warned, or banned.
User avatar
A'nold
Posts: 3622
Joined: Sat Oct 04, 2008 9:07 pm

Re: What do you consider Biglaw?

Postby A'nold » Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:47 am

A'nold wrote:
haus wrote:
A'nold wrote:
haus wrote:6 foot 4, 250ish pounds?


Shucks, I am only 6' 1", 260 lbs (a splitter, if you will). Maybe some of my interesting work experience would convince a 'BigLaw' firm to give me a chance...

I don't know man.....at least you are on the good side of the splitter continuum. You basically have no shot as a 6'7, 185 pounder.


ED?

With those numbers it is still a long shot. At this point I think re-eat and re apply for next cycle. Not only will op get the job but they might throw in some free twinkies

User avatar
donzoli
Posts: 145
Joined: Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:53 pm

Re: What do you consider Biglaw?

Postby donzoli » Sat Feb 26, 2011 3:01 pm

My breakdown:
Godzillaw = >1500 attys
Big law = 1500-500 attys
Mid law= 500-50 attys
Smallaw = <50 attys

irishman86
Posts: 312
Joined: Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:03 am

Re: What do you consider Biglaw?

Postby irishman86 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 2:26 am

145/160k+ starting or any firm with 500+ attorneys

User avatar
Big Shrimpin
Posts: 2468
Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2008 12:35 pm

Re: What do you consider Biglaw?

Postby Big Shrimpin » Sun Feb 27, 2011 2:58 am

donzoli wrote:My breakdown:
Godzillaw = >1500 attys
Big law = 1500-500 attys
Mid law= 500-50 attys
Smallaw = <50 attys



lol

biglaw = market salary (depending upon market)

quality of work =/= size of firm, bro

User avatar
Veyron
Posts: 3598
Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:50 am

Re: What do you consider Biglaw?

Postby Veyron » Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:01 am

Lawl Shcool wrote:I would say NLJ 250 + any firm paying at or near market for the city. So in Ohio for example it would be any firm that paid over 100k.

For me the "big" in "biglaw" is big money.


This.

User avatar
Lawquacious
Posts: 2037
Joined: Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:36 am

Re: What do you consider Biglaw?

Postby Lawquacious » Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:03 am

Big Shrimpin wrote:
donzoli wrote:My breakdown:
Godzillaw = >1500 attys
Big law = 1500-500 attys
Mid law= 500-50 attys
Smallaw = <50 attys



lol

biglaw = market salary (depending upon market)

quality of work =/= size of firm, bro



I also had (and to some extent still have) the impression that BigLaw is associated primarily with size of firm rather than salary. The big firms seem to be the ones paying most, but I never thought a firm with a handful of employees would be considered BigLaw even if it paid well...

User avatar
Veyron
Posts: 3598
Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:50 am

Re: What do you consider Biglaw?

Postby Veyron » Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:26 am

Lawquacious wrote:
Big Shrimpin wrote:
donzoli wrote:My breakdown:
Godzillaw = >1500 attys
Big law = 1500-500 attys
Mid law= 500-50 attys
Smallaw = <50 attys



lol

biglaw = market salary (depending upon market)

quality of work =/= size of firm, bro



I also had (and to some extent still have) the impression that BigLaw is associated primarily with size of firm rather than salary. The big firms seem to be the ones paying most, but I never thought a firm with a handful of employees would be considered BigLaw even if it paid well...


So. . . the big firms that advertise on the subways are biglaw? I am now better informed.

Renzo
Posts: 4265
Joined: Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:23 am

Re: What do you consider Biglaw?

Postby Renzo » Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:34 am

Veyron wrote:
Lawquacious wrote:
Big Shrimpin wrote:
donzoli wrote:My breakdown:
Godzillaw = >1500 attys
Big law = 1500-500 attys
Mid law= 500-50 attys
Smallaw = <50 attys



lol

biglaw = market salary (depending upon market)

quality of work =/= size of firm, bro



I also had (and to some extent still have) the impression that BigLaw is associated primarily with size of firm rather than salary. The big firms seem to be the ones paying most, but I never thought a firm with a handful of employees would be considered BigLaw even if it paid well...


So. . . the big firms that advertise on the subways are biglaw? I am now better informed.

No, you're still ignorant. Those would be small firms that pay very well, not big firms that pay poorly. That fucker with the stupid hat doing SSDI cases is making a fucking fortune.

User avatar
Veyron
Posts: 3598
Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:50 am

Re: What do you consider Biglaw?

Postby Veyron » Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:47 am

[/quote]


lol

biglaw = market salary (depending upon market)

quality of work =/= size of firm, bro[/quote]


I also had (and to some extent still have) the impression that BigLaw is associated primarily with size of firm rather than salary. The big firms seem to be the ones paying most, but I never thought a firm with a handful of employees would be considered BigLaw even if it paid well...[/quote]

So. . . the big firms that advertise on the subways are biglaw? I am now better informed.[/quote]
No, you're still ignorant. Those would be small firms that pay very well, not big firms that pay poorly. That fucker with the stupid hat doing SSDI cases is making a fucking fortune.[/quote]

Right, but some of those firms have like a million billion lawyers under the head guys.

User avatar
fatduck
Posts: 4186
Joined: Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:16 pm

Re: What do you consider Biglaw?

Postby fatduck » Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:53 am

Veyron wrote:a bunch of quoting fail, something about subway attorneys


You want to be the one to tell these guys they aren't biglaw?

Image

Renzo
Posts: 4265
Joined: Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:23 am

Re: What do you consider Biglaw?

Postby Renzo » Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:54 am

Veyron wrote:



lol

biglaw = market salary (depending upon market)

quality of work =/= size of firm, bro[/quote]


I also had (and to some extent still have) the impression that BigLaw is associated primarily with size of firm rather than salary. The big firms seem to be the ones paying most, but I never thought a firm with a handful of employees would be considered BigLaw even if it paid well...[/quote]

So. . . the big firms that advertise on the subways are biglaw? I am now better informed.[/quote]
No, you're still ignorant. Those would be small firms that pay very well, not big firms that pay poorly. That fucker with the stupid hat doing SSDI cases is making a fucking fortune.[/quote]

Right, but some of those firms have like a million billion lawyers under the head guys.[/quote]
Nah, they got a warehouse full of secretaries and paralegals that do all that shit. All they do is change the plaintiff's name and file the same complaint over and over.

User avatar
Veyron
Posts: 3598
Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:50 am

Re: What do you consider Biglaw?

Postby Veyron » Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:02 am

Renzo wrote:
Veyron wrote:



lol

biglaw = market salary (depending upon market)

quality of work =/= size of firm, bro



I also had (and to some extent still have) the impression that BigLaw is associated primarily with size of firm rather than salary. The big firms seem to be the ones paying most, but I never thought a firm with a handful of employees would be considered BigLaw even if it paid well...[/quote]

So. . . the big firms that advertise on the subways are biglaw? I am now better informed.[/quote]
No, you're still ignorant. Those would be small firms that pay very well, not big firms that pay poorly. That fucker with the stupid hat doing SSDI cases is making a fucking fortune.[/quote]

Right, but some of those firms have like a million billion lawyers under the head guys.[/quote]
Nah, they got a warehouse full of secretaries and paralegals that do all that shit. All they do is change the plaintiff's name and file the same complaint over and over.[/quote]

Interesting, I don't live in NY but these sorts of firms always make the lists for the largest employers of attorneys in my state. I wonder why the difference?

Renzo
Posts: 4265
Joined: Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:23 am

Re: What do you consider Biglaw?

Postby Renzo » Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:18 am

Veyron wrote:
Interesting, I don't live in NY but these sorts of firms always make the lists for the largest employers of attorneys in my state. I wonder why the difference?

New York isn't like any legal market in the country. It's a bit dated, but:

--LinkRemoved--

Like 95 of the biggest 100 legal employers are traditional "biglaw" firms by any definition. Then there are a lot of relatively high-paying midmarket firms that are big in absolute terms (>50 employees) that don't even make the list.

FiveSermon
Posts: 1507
Joined: Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:56 pm

Re: What do you consider Biglaw?

Postby FiveSermon » Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:59 am

Starting six figure salary.

User avatar
A'nold
Posts: 3622
Joined: Sat Oct 04, 2008 9:07 pm

Re: What do you consider Biglaw?

Postby A'nold » Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:18 am

fatduck wrote:
Veyron wrote:a bunch of quoting fail, something about subway attorneys


You want to be the one to tell these guys they aren't biglaw?

Image

The guy on the left is kind of pulling this crap off but the guy on the right looks absolutely ridiculous. You can just tell he's like "ugh, why does dude on the left always bully me into doing these barbaric advertisements.....where's my fresca?"

FiveSermon
Posts: 1507
Joined: Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:56 pm

Re: What do you consider Biglaw?

Postby FiveSermon » Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:22 am

fatduck wrote:
Veyron wrote:a bunch of quoting fail, something about subway attorneys


You want to be the one to tell these guys they aren't biglaw?

Image


Fatduck, you may be my 2nd favorite poster on all of TLS.

FiveSermon
Posts: 1507
Joined: Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:56 pm

Re: What do you consider Biglaw?

Postby FiveSermon » Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:02 am

Stonewall wrote:Any job that allows me to payoff my loans in a reasonable amount of time.


What if you went to a TTT on a full scholarship. McDonalds would fit the bill? Burger flipping = biglaw?

User avatar
Borhas
Posts: 4854
Joined: Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:09 pm

Re: What do you consider Biglaw?

Postby Borhas » Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:42 am

donzoli wrote:Where is the cut-off for biglaw? Is it every firm in NLJ 250 biglaw?


V-5

Renzo
Posts: 4265
Joined: Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:23 am

Re: What do you consider Biglaw?

Postby Renzo » Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:49 am

In answer to the original question, I say it has to be big/important enough to get talked about in the industry-watching news outlets, like WSJ law blog, Lawshucks, ATL, JD journal, Blog of the Legal TImes, etc.

Yes, there are good jobs in firms outside of these. But if you say "biglaw" I don't want to hear about a 30 person firm in New Mexico that happens to pay $110k to new hires.

User avatar
Veyron
Posts: 3598
Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:50 am

Re: What do you consider Biglaw?

Postby Veyron » Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:04 pm

Renzo wrote:In answer to the original question, I say it has to be big/important enough to get talked about in the industry-watching news outlets, like WSJ law blog, Lawshucks, ATL, JD journal, Blog of the Legal TImes, etc.

Yes, there are good jobs in firms outside of these. But if you say "biglaw" I don't want to hear about a 30 person firm in New Mexico that happens to pay $110k to new hires.


This makes no sense though. In a lot of secondary markets you get V100s that exist right alongside local firms which pay the same, have the same number of people in that city's office, have SA programs of the same size, and pay their partners the same. Is one really biglaw and the other not?

User avatar
JazzOne
Posts: 2938
Joined: Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:04 am

Re: What do you consider Biglaw?

Postby JazzOne » Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:03 pm

Two pages in and I still don't know if I got biglaw.

Renzo
Posts: 4265
Joined: Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:23 am

Re: What do you consider Biglaw?

Postby Renzo » Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:19 pm

Veyron wrote:
Renzo wrote:In answer to the original question, I say it has to be big/important enough to get talked about in the industry-watching news outlets, like WSJ law blog, Lawshucks, ATL, JD journal, Blog of the Legal TImes, etc.

Yes, there are good jobs in firms outside of these. But if you say "biglaw" I don't want to hear about a 30 person firm in New Mexico that happens to pay $110k to new hires.


This makes no sense though. In a lot of secondary markets you get V100s that exist right alongside local firms which pay the same, have the same number of people in that city's office, have SA programs of the same size, and pay their partners the same. Is one really biglaw and the other not?


I think so. Like I said, it's not a term that encompasses all the good legal jobs in the world. In your example, the V100 office is "biglaw" only by it's association with a home office someplace that's genuinely "big."

Now, I understand that people include the latter when they say, "I need a biglaw job to pay off my debt." But if we're going to define the term, that usage to me is sloppy. They mean they need a high-paying job, not a job in a large firm that works on the size & types of matters and for the size & types of clients that typify "biglaw"

User avatar
beach_terror
Posts: 7244
Joined: Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:01 pm

Re: What do you consider Biglaw?

Postby beach_terror » Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:22 pm

HugerThanSoup wrote:Yes, high-paying boutique =/= "biglaw."

True, this should be called "funlaw"

User avatar
Veyron
Posts: 3598
Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:50 am

Re: What do you consider Biglaw?

Postby Veyron » Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:29 pm

Renzo wrote:
Veyron wrote:
Renzo wrote:In answer to the original question, I say it has to be big/important enough to get talked about in the industry-watching news outlets, like WSJ law blog, Lawshucks, ATL, JD journal, Blog of the Legal TImes, etc.

Yes, there are good jobs in firms outside of these. But if you say "biglaw" I don't want to hear about a 30 person firm in New Mexico that happens to pay $110k to new hires.


This makes no sense though. In a lot of secondary markets you get V100s that exist right alongside local firms which pay the same, have the same number of people in that city's office, have SA programs of the same size, and pay their partners the same. Is one really biglaw and the other not?


I think so. Like I said, it's not a term that encompasses all the good legal jobs in the world. In your example, the V100 office is "biglaw" only by it's association with a home office someplace that's genuinely "big."

Now, I understand that people include the latter when they say, "I need a biglaw job to pay off my debt." But if we're going to define the term, that usage to me is sloppy. They mean they need a high-paying job, not a job in a large firm that works on the size & types of matters and for the size & types of clients that typify "biglaw"


Right, but the local firms do get the biglaw type stuff (major league local sports teams, local (and regional) Fortune 500s, etc.) It sounds like you are saying that the only reason that they shouldn't be considered biglaw is not quality of work but rather just that their main office has 100 attorneys and their firm as a whole has 250. If that is your criteria for "biglaw" there are some really crappy firms that qualify.

Magnificent
Posts: 144
Joined: Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:27 pm

Re: What do you consider Biglaw?

Postby Magnificent » Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:36 pm

160k starting salary = biglaw

PERIOD




Return to “Legal Employment”

Who is online

The online users are hidden on this forum.