Is this real? Also, are there no recent grads on this forum who can speak to the current job market directly from experience?? These questions are not rhetorical nor are they meant to be sarcastic, just honest curiosity.fatduck wrote:i hand-delivered my resume to the CEO (who is a personal friend) of an L.A. engineering company that is #1 in its industry. i got an interview for an unpaid internship and no offer. the legal job market is worse. hth.Anonymous User wrote:k i know several partners at some V10's....what can they possibly do lol
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Re: What are t-20-30 grads doing?
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Re: What are t-20-30 grads doing?
i was being serious. the point is that knowing a partner at a firm doesn't mean you're going to get a job offer or even summer work, unless they're directly involved in hiring.haoledugan wrote:Is this real? Also, are there no recent grads on this forum who can speak to the current job market directly from experience?? These questions are not rhetorical nor are they meant to be sarcastic, just honest curiosity.fatduck wrote:i hand-delivered my resume to the CEO (who is a personal friend) of an L.A. engineering company that is #1 in its industry. i got an interview for an unpaid internship and no offer. the legal job market is worse. hth.Anonymous User wrote:k i know several partners at some V10's....what can they possibly do lol
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How do you know the legal market is worse? Are you speaking to the legal market in SoCal, regional, etc.?fatduck wrote:i was being serious. the point is that knowing a partner at a firm doesn't mean you're going to get a job offer or even summer work, unless they're directly involved in hiring.haoledugan wrote:Is this real? Also, are there no recent grads on this forum who can speak to the current job market directly from experience?? These questions are not rhetorical nor are they meant to be sarcastic, just honest curiosity.fatduck wrote:i hand-delivered my resume to the CEO (who is a personal friend) of an L.A. engineering company that is #1 in its industry. i got an interview for an unpaid internship and no offer. the legal job market is worse. hth.Anonymous User wrote:k i know several partners at some V10's....what can they possibly do lol
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Re: What are t-20-30 grads doing?
i don't have any stats but i'm going to go out on a limb and say the job market for electrical engineers in a high-tech industry is better than the legal job market for median UC-Davis grads.haoledugan wrote:How do you know the legal market is worse? Are you speaking to the legal market in SoCal, regional, etc.?fatduck wrote:i was being serious. the point is that knowing a partner at a firm doesn't mean you're going to get a job offer or even summer work, unless they're directly involved in hiring.
i think you read my post a little too broadly, though. i was responding to someone who claimed it would be easy for below-median grads of T30 schools to find legal work, and that even if it wasn't, he'd just call his "connections" at V10 firms and get hired. this is ridiculous advice.
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Re: What are t-20-30 grads doing?
Typical in the United States of Entitlement though.fatduck wrote:i don't have any stats but i'm going to go out on a limb and say the job market for electrical engineers in a high-tech industry is better than the legal job market for median UC-Davis grads.haoledugan wrote:How do you know the legal market is worse? Are you speaking to the legal market in SoCal, regional, etc.?fatduck wrote:i was being serious. the point is that knowing a partner at a firm doesn't mean you're going to get a job offer or even summer work, unless they're directly involved in hiring.
i think you read my post a little too broadly, though. i was responding to someone who claimed it would be easy for below-median grads of T30 schools to find legal work, and that even if it wasn't, he'd just call his "connections" at V10 firms and get hired. this is ridiculous advice.
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Re: What are t-20-30 grads doing?
are there any t20 -t30 grads who can respond to the title of this post?
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Yeah, but think of all the free food and outlines you can snag from clubs.A'nold wrote:This be the truth. I hate clubs with a passion.SBL wrote:Any system which rewards people for being involved in stupid clubs that send me spammy emails and FB invites to their events is a crappy system.
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Re: What are t-20-30 grads doing?
Soooooooo many outlines.JusticeHarlan wrote:Yeah, but think of all the free food and outlines you can snag from clubs.A'nold wrote:This be the truth. I hate clubs with a passion.SBL wrote:Any system which rewards people for being involved in stupid clubs that send me spammy emails and FB invites to their events is a crappy system.
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Re: What are t-20-30 grads doing?
haoledugan wrote:are there any t20 -t30 grads who can respond to the title of this post?
Not a grad yet, but a t20-30 3L. I have a clerkship (federal). Of ten of my friends here are their post-grad plans:
4 have biglaw (2 in major markets, 2 in secondary markets)
1 has midlaw
2 have clerkships (federal)
3 are unemployed
I have no idea whether this is an accurate sample of our school. It's probably not.
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Re: What are t-20-30 grads doing?
Class ranks?Anonymous User wrote:haoledugan wrote:are there any t20 -t30 grads who can respond to the title of this post?
Not a grad yet, but a t20-30 3L. I have a clerkship (federal). Of ten of my friends here are their post-grad plans:
4 have biglaw (2 in major markets, 2 in secondary markets)
1 has midlaw
2 have clerkships (federal)
3 are unemployed
I have no idea whether this is an accurate sample of our school. It's probably not.
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Re: What are t-20-30 grads doing?
Big Shrimpin wrote:Class ranks?Anonymous User wrote:haoledugan wrote:are there any t20 -t30 grads who can respond to the title of this post?
Not a grad yet, but a t20-30 3L. I have a clerkship (federal). Of ten of my friends here are their post-grad plans:
4 have biglaw (2 in major markets, 2 in secondary markets)
1 has midlaw
2 have clerkships (federal)
3 are unemployed
I have no idea whether this is an accurate sample of our school. It's probably not.
those are basically listed in order of grades. the 4 that have biglaw--top 10-20%, midlaw kid is around top 25%, clerkships people (myself included) are all around top 33%, unemployeds are around top 40-50% (but not bottom half). the jobs are distributed pretty exactly around grades.
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Re: What are t-20-30 grads doing?
Federal clerkship from top third at a t20-30? Color me skeptical.Anonymous User wrote:Big Shrimpin wrote:Class ranks?Anonymous User wrote:haoledugan wrote:are there any t20 -t30 grads who can respond to the title of this post?
Not a grad yet, but a t20-30 3L. I have a clerkship (federal). Of ten of my friends here are their post-grad plans:
4 have biglaw (2 in major markets, 2 in secondary markets)
1 has midlaw
2 have clerkships (federal)
3 are unemployed
I have no idea whether this is an accurate sample of our school. It's probably not.
those are basically listed in order of grades. the 4 that have biglaw--top 10-20%, midlaw kid is around top 25%, clerkships people (myself included) are all around top 33%, unemployeds are around top 40-50% (but not bottom half). the jobs are distributed pretty exactly around grades.
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Re: What are t-20-30 grads doing?
Since you're anon would you mind posting the school? Or whether its a major market school (BC/BU/GW)?Anonymous User wrote:Big Shrimpin wrote:Class ranks?Anonymous User wrote:haoledugan wrote:are there any t20 -t30 grads who can respond to the title of this post?
Not a grad yet, but a t20-30 3L. I have a clerkship (federal). Of ten of my friends here are their post-grad plans:
4 have biglaw (2 in major markets, 2 in secondary markets)
1 has midlaw
2 have clerkships (federal)
3 are unemployed
I have no idea whether this is an accurate sample of our school. It's probably not.
those are basically listed in order of grades. the 4 that have biglaw--top 10-20%, midlaw kid is around top 25%, clerkships people (myself included) are all around top 33%, unemployeds are around top 40-50% (but not bottom half). the jobs are distributed pretty exactly around grades.
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Re: What are t-20-30 grads doing?
clerkships are federal, but mostly specialized (e.g. bankruptcy, tax, fed court of claims). school is in a secondary market.
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Re: What are t-20-30 grads doing?
Fair enough, I guess I shouldn't assume federal = Article 3.Anonymous User wrote:clerkships are federal, but mostly specialized (e.g. bankruptcy, tax, fed court of claims). school is in a secondary market.
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Re: What are t-20-30 grads doing?
Justice Harlan, why do you always feel the need to "clarify" holdings via concurring opinions? You even later admitted that your 2 prong test in Katz shouldn't have included a subjective prong......pssh.JusticeHarlan wrote:Fair enough, I guess I shouldn't assume federal = Article 3.Anonymous User wrote:clerkships are federal, but mostly specialized (e.g. bankruptcy, tax, fed court of claims). school is in a secondary market.
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Re: What are t-20-30 grads doing?
Thank you for the info. What is the general sentiment around your class (and not just among friends), i.e. is there a lot of talk about going into something other than law to avoid unemployment?Anonymous User wrote:haoledugan wrote:are there any t20 -t30 grads who can respond to the title of this post?
Not a grad yet, but a t20-30 3L. I have a clerkship (federal). Of ten of my friends here are their post-grad plans:
4 have biglaw (2 in major markets, 2 in secondary markets)
1 has midlaw
2 have clerkships (federal)
3 are unemployed
I have no idea whether this is an accurate sample of our school. It's probably not.
Thanks again.
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Re: What are t-20-30 grads doing?
Would love to hear from other grads/3L's as well.
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Re: What are t-20-30 grads doing?
The guy with the "connections" was/is flame, right? I'm not sure I want to live in a world where that's not flame.
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Re: What are t-20-30 grads doing?
If that's your line for not wanting to live in this world, you must be a very depressed individual.Rule11 wrote:The guy with the "connections" was/is flame, right? I'm not sure I want to live in a world where that's not flame.
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+1!A'nold wrote:Justice Harlan, why do you always feel the need to "clarify" holdings via concurring opinions? You even later admitted that your 2 prong test in Katz shouldn't have included a subjective prong......pssh.JusticeHarlan wrote:Fair enough, I guess I shouldn't assume federal = Article 3.Anonymous User wrote:clerkships are federal, but mostly specialized (e.g. bankruptcy, tax, fed court of claims). school is in a secondary market.
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Re: What are t-20-30 grads doing?
Would it make you feel better if I switched my 'tar back to the elder Justice Harlan?A'nold wrote:Justice Harlan, why do you always feel the need to "clarify" holdings via concurring opinions? You even later admitted that your 2 prong test in Katz shouldn't have included a subjective prong......pssh.JusticeHarlan wrote:Fair enough, I guess I shouldn't assume federal = Article 3.Anonymous User wrote:clerkships are federal, but mostly specialized (e.g. bankruptcy, tax, fed court of claims). school is in a secondary market.
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Re: What are t-20-30 grads doing?
TBH, I like the way you make these things simpler for the lower dredges of the legal community like me. Bravo Justice Harlan, bravo.JusticeHarlan wrote:Would it make you feel better if I switched my 'tar back to the elder Justice Harlan?A'nold wrote:Justice Harlan, why do you always feel the need to "clarify" holdings via concurring opinions? You even later admitted that your 2 prong test in Katz shouldn't have included a subjective prong......pssh.JusticeHarlan wrote:Fair enough, I guess I shouldn't assume federal = Article 3.Anonymous User wrote:clerkships are federal, but mostly specialized (e.g. bankruptcy, tax, fed court of claims). school is in a secondary market.
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Re: What are t-20-30 grads doing?
Back on topic...
Here's the thing. If you're going to a t20-30, you need 1 or 2 of the following:
(a) kick ass grades
(b) 50%+ tuition paid, by the school, a trust fund, a rich aunt, savings from a job
(c) resignation to shitlaw/PD + IBR slavery
(a) is probably preferable, because from a t20-30 if you kick ass you can still get a great job. But it's nearly impossible to predict. (b) is really the only one you can know in advance.
I go to a t20-30, came in with a 50% scholarship, and have kicked serious ass so far (top 5%). I always thought I would do well, but maybe I just got lucky? Who the hell really knows. Moral of the story: unless you have (b) or (c), counting on (a) is a serious gamble at a t20-30.
Here's the thing. If you're going to a t20-30, you need 1 or 2 of the following:
(a) kick ass grades
(b) 50%+ tuition paid, by the school, a trust fund, a rich aunt, savings from a job
(c) resignation to shitlaw/PD + IBR slavery
(a) is probably preferable, because from a t20-30 if you kick ass you can still get a great job. But it's nearly impossible to predict. (b) is really the only one you can know in advance.
I go to a t20-30, came in with a 50% scholarship, and have kicked serious ass so far (top 5%). I always thought I would do well, but maybe I just got lucky? Who the hell really knows. Moral of the story: unless you have (b) or (c), counting on (a) is a serious gamble at a t20-30.
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Re: What are t-20-30 grads doing?
What about great in-state tuition that will not put you in 200k debt? This is why I am considering a T28, otherwise I'd probably resign myself to my T14 waiting lists.Anonymous User wrote:Back on topic...
Here's the thing. If you're going to a t20-30, you need 1 or 2 of the following:
(a) kick ass grades
(b) 50%+ tuition paid, by the school, a trust fund, a rich aunt, savings from a job
(c) resignation to shitlaw/PD + IBR slavery
(a) is probably preferable, because from a t20-30 if you kick ass you can still get a great job. But it's nearly impossible to predict. (b) is really the only one you can know in advance.
I go to a t20-30, came in with a 50% scholarship, and have kicked serious ass so far (top 5%). I always thought I would do well, but maybe I just got lucky? Who the hell really knows. Moral of the story: unless you have (b) or (c), counting on (a) is a serious gamble at a t20-30.
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