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20160810 · Post by **20160810** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:36 pm

Any system which rewards people for being involved in stupid clubs that send me spammy emails and FB invites to their events is a crappy system.

A'nold · Post by **A'nold** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:21 am

SBL wrote:Any system which rewards people for being involved in stupid clubs that send me spammy emails and FB invites to their events is a crappy system.

This be the truth. I hate clubs with a passion.

holdencaulfield · Post by **holdencaulfield** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:34 am

Anonymous User wrote:i'm bottom quarter at T30...and will have no debt coming out...Do you really think it will be hard to find a 50-70k legal related job coming out first year?

Yes.

MrAnon · Post by **MrAnon** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:47 am

Nobody in the bottom half of your class will find a 50K job coming out. Funny how students seem to dream salaries like 35k and 40k into 55K jobs. If you wanted a 55K job next year then you should have started as a paralegal 3 years ago instead of going to law school.

ndirish2010 · Post by **ndirish2010** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:19 am

MrAnon wrote:Nobody in the bottom half of your class will find a 50K job coming out. Funny how students seem to dream salaries like 35k and 40k into 55K jobs. If you wanted a 55K job next year then you should have started as a paralegal 3 years ago instead of going to law school.

So why aren't all the T30 classes cut in half after first year?

thebookcollector · Post by **thebookcollector** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:24 am

ndirish2010 wrote:
MrAnon wrote:Nobody in the bottom half of your class will find a 50K job coming out. Funny how students seem to dream salaries like 35k and 40k into 55K jobs. If you wanted a 55K job next year then you should have started as a paralegal 3 years ago instead of going to law school.
So why aren't all the T30 classes cut in half after first year?

It isn't nearly as bad as people are saying. You can get a 50k job somewhere.

But there are still a lot of graduates who should drop out but don't. And that is a matter of pride: it'd be very embarassing to tell your family and friends that you couldn't cut it.

Plus, law students are very bad at math.

20160810 · Post by **20160810** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:07 am

Bro, you keep asking, and people keep telling you: There is NO. WAY. that you will be making $55,000 coming out of the bottom-25% unless you find a job that is in another industry. Seriously.

NU_Jet55 · Post by **NU_Jet55** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:18 am

SBL wrote:Bro, you keep asking, and people keep telling you: There is NO. WAY. that you will be making $55,000 coming out of the bottom-25% unless you find a job that is in another industry. Seriously.

I'm not sure if you're referring to OP specifically, but in general it totally depends on the individual. While of course the bottom 25% are worse off than top 25%, personal connections + prior work experience can create different opportunities.

I don't understand why everybody on TLS speaks so strictly about GPA cutoffs. Hiring, generally speaking, just doesn't work this way.

concurrent fork · Post by **concurrent fork** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:12 am

Anonymous User wrote:i'm bottom quarter at T30...and will have no debt coming out...Do you really think it will be hard to find a 50-70k legal related job coming out first year?

It will be extremely difficult unless you have family connections. I know people in this situation, but they have 150k in loans to pay back. Be thankful you are not them.

Ahhhnold · Post by **Ahhhnold** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:04 am

NU_Jet55 wrote:
SBL wrote:Bro, you keep asking, and people keep telling you: There is NO. WAY. that you will be making $55,000 coming out of the bottom-25% unless you find a job that is in another industry. Seriously.
I'm not sure if you're referring to OP specifically, but in general it totally depends on the individual. While of course the bottom 25% are worse off than top 25%, personal connections + prior work experience can create different opportunities.

I don't understand why everybody on TLS speaks so strictly about GPA cutoffs. Hiring, generally speaking, just doesn't work this way.

+1

Blindmelon · Post by **Blindmelon** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:06 am

Aggiegrad2011 wrote:
SBL wrote:
Teoeo wrote:I have a friend who is bottom of the class at Davis, you think he/she is completely boned for the public sector?
How bottom? Below median, something might work out. Bottom 25%, I genuinely don't think most of those people find any work whatsoever in the legal field. I wouldn't be surprised if they become paralegals.
Would firms even want someone with a JD to be acting as a paralegal? Seems like they'd be thought of as "over-qualified" and labeled as flight risks.

Suffolk's OCI is mostly firms looking for paralegals or staff attorneys. Those lucky enough to be top 10% etc may have a decent shot at a non-associate position - Suffolk is bottom of the barrel though - but this does happen.

Mickey Quicknumbers · Post by **Mickey Quicknumbers** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:45 am

ndirish2010 wrote:
MrAnon wrote:Nobody in the bottom half of your class will find a 50K job coming out. Funny how students seem to dream salaries like 35k and 40k into 55K jobs. If you wanted a 55K job next year then you should have started as a paralegal 3 years ago instead of going to law school.
So why aren't all the T30 classes cut in half after first year?

because then 50%-75% would become the new bottom of the class. Thank goodness for math.

Also, two Arnolds with spelling modified to the accent in the same thread is blowing my mind.

sch6les · Post by **sch6les** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:46 am

Mickey Quicknumbers · Post by **Mickey Quicknumbers** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:52 am

sch6les wrote:
Mickey Quicknumbers wrote:
ndirish2010 wrote:
MrAnon wrote:Nobody in the bottom half of your class will find a 50K job coming out. Funny how students seem to dream salaries like 35k and 40k into 55K jobs. If you wanted a 55K job next year then you should have started as a paralegal 3 years ago instead of going to law school.
So why aren't all the T30 classes cut in half after first year?
because then 50%-75% would become the new bottom of the class. Thank goodness for math.

Also, two Arnolds with spelling modified to the accent in the same thread is blowing my mind.
I think the credited answer is the fact that they just want them to keep paying tution. Hiring isn't strictly based on your class rank, obviously...it's also based on the prestige of the school, i.e. the caliber of the average student. If Cooley dropped the bottom 99.5% of their class after 1L then their 2L OCI would look like Yale's OCI, would it not?

Yeah, I was just kinda being a smartass

*scurries back to the lounge*

A'nold · Post by **A'nold** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:34 pm

Mickey Quicknumbers wrote:
ndirish2010 wrote:
MrAnon wrote:Nobody in the bottom half of your class will find a 50K job coming out. Funny how students seem to dream salaries like 35k and 40k into 55K jobs. If you wanted a 55K job next year then you should have started as a paralegal 3 years ago instead of going to law school.
So why aren't all the T30 classes cut in half after first year?
because then 50%-75% would become the new bottom of the class. Thank goodness for math.

Also, two Arnolds with spelling modified to the accent in the same thread is blowing my mind.

Yeah, what up with that? People just want to be me I guess.

ndirish2010 · Post by **ndirish2010** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:48 pm

I think you guys misunderstood the question. People who go to T30s are not stupid for the most part. If it were blatantly obvious that they would not even be able to get a low-level legal job at the 25% of the class (or anywhere below median), why would they continue paying tuition (unless they were on close to a full ride)?

transferguy · Post by **transferguy** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:53 pm

ndirish2010 wrote:I think you guys misunderstood the question. People who go to T30s are not stupid for the most part. If it were blatantly obvious that they would not even be able to get a low-level legal job at the 25% of the class (or anywhere below median), why would they continue paying tuition (unless they were on close to a full ride)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:05 pm

Wow I still can't believe it will be hard for someone at T30 between 25 percentile and median to find a 50k legal job coming out...economy will continue to be this bad in 2 years when we graduate?

I guess I might have to tap into my connections with Google/Verizon legal department, and some V10 firms...if the job situation really is this bad.

A'nold · Post by **A'nold** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:09 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Wow I still can't believe it will be hard for someone at T30 between 25 percentile and median to find a 50k legal job coming out...economy will continue to be this bad in 2 years when we graduate?

I guess I might have to tap into my connections with Google/Verizon legal department, and some V10 firms...if the job situation really is this bad.

You GUESS you will have to tap into those "connections?" Uh........

Aggiegrad2011 · Post by **Aggiegrad2011** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:14 pm

You should "tap" those babies even if the economy turns around... ya dig?

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:21 pm

k i know several partners at some V10's....what can they possibly do lol

Aggiegrad2011 · Post by **Aggiegrad2011** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:21 pm

It's not what you know it's who you know...

rman1201 · Post by **rman1201** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:23 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Wow I still can't believe it will be hard for someone at T30 between 25 percentile and median to find a 50k legal job coming out...economy will continue to be this bad in 2 years when we graduate?

I guess I might have to tap into my connections with Google/Verizon legal department, and some V10 firms...if the job situation really is this bad.

If you know people in Google why even go to law school?

Mickey Quicknumbers · Post by **Mickey Quicknumbers** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:15 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Wow I still can't believe it will be hard for someone at T30 between 25 percentile and median to find a 50k legal job coming out...economy will continue to be this bad in 2 years when we graduate?

I guess I might have to tap into my connections with Google/Verizon legal department, and some V10 firms...if the job situation really is this bad.

*Giant eyeroll*

fatduck · Post by **fatduck** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:32 pm

Anonymous User wrote:k i know several partners at some V10's....what can they possibly do lol

i hand-delivered my resume to the CEO (who is a personal friend) of an L.A. engineering company that is #1 in its industry. i got an interview for an unpaid internship and no offer. the legal job market is worse. hth.

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