NALP fall recruiting survey results coming out tomorrow

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NALP fall recruiting survey results coming out tomorrow

Postby lovelaw27 » Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:01 pm

https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/278391587

It will be interesting to see how much better 2010 OCI was compared to 2009.

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Re: NALP fall recruiting survey results coming out tomorrow

Postby Veyron » Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:09 pm

Fingers crossed!

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Re: NALP fall recruiting survey results coming out tomorrow

Postby romothesavior » Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:50 am

I am very interested to find out as well.

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Re: NALP fall recruiting survey results coming out tomorrow

Postby beachbum » Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:54 am

We'll see how it goes. Thinkin it's gonna be a shitshow.

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Re: NALP fall recruiting survey results coming out tomorrow

Postby keg411 » Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:25 am

I predict less of a shitshow than the previous year at least.

How long after this do they estimate next summer's class sizes (OCI this year)? June-July or before that?

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Re: NALP fall recruiting survey results coming out tomorrow

Postby romothesavior » Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:41 pm

When/where/how can we see this data?

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Postby ndirish2010 » Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:42 pm

romothesavior wrote:When/where/how can we see this data?


+1

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Re: NALP fall recruiting survey results coming out tomorrow

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Re: NALP fall recruiting survey results coming out tomorrow

Postby Sentry » Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:30 pm

ndirish2010 wrote:
romothesavior wrote:When/where/how can we see this data?


+1

+2

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Re: NALP fall recruiting survey results coming out tomorrow

Postby Kohinoor » Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:32 pm

25% of all jobs temporary
10% of all jobs part-time
22% of employed still seeking employment
Increase in solo practitioners
42% of law schools providing on-campus post-grad jobs for graduates

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Re: NALP fall recruiting survey results coming out tomorrow

Postby Fresh » Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:34 pm

Kohinoor wrote:25% of all jobs temporary
10% of all jobs part-time
22% of employed still seeking employment
Increase in solo practitioners
42% of law schools providing on-campus post-grad jobs for graduates


Is this the data they'll be presenting?

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Re: NALP fall recruiting survey results coming out tomorrow

Postby Kohinoor » Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:34 pm

Fresh wrote:
Kohinoor wrote:25% of all jobs temporary
10% of all jobs part-time
22% of employed still seeking employment
Increase in solo practitioners
42% of law schools providing on-campus post-grad jobs for graduates


Is this the data they'll be presenting?

They just presented it.

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Re: NALP fall recruiting survey results coming out tomorrow

Postby Kohinoor » Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:40 pm

Average class size fell from 12 to 8. Increase in offer rates to around 87% from a low of 69% the previous year. Offer rate averages used to be in the 90s.

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Re: NALP fall recruiting survey results coming out tomorrow

Postby Kohinoor » Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:41 pm

50% of summer programs were at least 1-2 weeks shorter and 24% of programs were more than 2 weeks shorter.

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Re: NALP fall recruiting survey results coming out tomorrow

Postby Kohinoor » Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:44 pm

14% of firms hiring 3Ls up from 3%. Historical averages were between 25 and 50%

Median numbers of offers from mega firms rebounded from 2009 but less than half of historical numbers.

17% of firms that had summer program in 2009 did not have one in 2010.

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Re: NALP fall recruiting survey results coming out tomorrow

Postby Fresh » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:26 pm

Summary:
Fall recruiting picked up a lot since 2009, but still lagging far behind pre-recession levels. Major markets improving, while some secondaries (i.e. Miami, Atlanta) don't appear to be yet.

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Re: NALP fall recruiting survey results coming out tomorrow

Postby 09042014 » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:30 pm

lovelaw27 wrote:https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/278391587

It will be interesting to see how much better worse 20108 OCI was compared to 20097.


NALP data lags OCI by years.

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Re: NALP fall recruiting survey results coming out tomorrow

Postby Kohinoor » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:43 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
lovelaw27 wrote:https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/278391587

It will be interesting to see how much better worse 20108 OCI was compared to 20097.


NALP data lags OCI by years.

Are you sure? The trends they were discussing make more sense if we assume they were discussing OCI 2010 rather than c/o 2010 OCI. Most of their data pointed to a dip and recovery that wouldn't have happened from 2005-2008.

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Re: NALP fall recruiting survey results coming out tomorrow

Postby lovelaw27 » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:54 pm

"Brand new results from NALP’s Survey of Legal Employers on Fall Recruiting and Associate Deferrals include the finding that 87% of summer associates received an offer from their summer employer. This after the rate plunged to 69% for the summer 2009 class. 87% is in line with the offer rates experienced from 2003 thru 2008. But, class sizes also were notably smaller, on average, in 2010 — about 8 compared with about 12 in the preceding years. More information will be available soon in Perspectives on Legal Recruiting, which will be published in March."

http://www.nalp.org/nalpcomments/?blogEntryID=75

oh well

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Re: NALP fall recruiting survey results coming out tomorrow

Postby paulinaporizkova » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:56 pm

lovelaw27 wrote:"Brand new results from NALP’s Survey of Legal Employers on Fall Recruiting and Associate Deferrals include the finding that 87% of summer associates received an offer from their summer employer. This after the rate plunged to 69% for the summer 2009 class. 87% is in line with the offer rates experienced from 2003 thru 2008. But, class sizes also were notably smaller, on average, in 2010 — about 8 compared with about 12 in the preceding years. More information will be available soon in Perspectives on Legal Recruiting, which will be published in March."

http://www.nalp.org/nalpcomments/?blogEntryID=75

oh well


still sounds a bit promising.....plus, March is next month :)

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Re: NALP fall recruiting survey results coming out tomorrow

Postby thesealocust » Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:02 pm

Re: time lag and data -

NALP publishes data about total numbers of hires from firms. Sometime in March we'll see projected '11 SA class sizes from OCI 2010 for Law School Class of 2012. You'll see these forms, reported from firms, on the NALP directory shortly.

What DF is probably thinking of are the 'go-to' law school reports that lag massively because they provide employment information for a graduating class, i.e. a class that did OCI 2 years prior. (Here's the most recent: http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/nlj/law%20sc ... page12.pdf ). The laggy data comes from the NLJ.

Similar data and similar timing, but massively different 'windows' of the hiring market. It wasn't a big difference in the mushy interstitial years, but the difference in even a month can be mission-critical in the turbulent times we've been through.

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Re: NALP fall recruiting survey results coming out tomorrow

Postby mez06 » Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:05 pm

Looking for a bit of clarification. So will the results of this recruiting information serve as a "refresh" to all the searchable date on NALP?

I.E. Will there be an update to the specific firms recruiting from each school as well as the SA numbers per each firm?

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Re: NALP fall recruiting survey results coming out tomorrow

Postby romothesavior » Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:43 pm

Fresh wrote:Summary:
Fall recruiting picked up a lot since 2009, but still lagging far behind pre-recession levels. Major markets improving, while some secondaries (i.e. Miami, Atlanta) don't appear to be yet.

Not sure where you're getting this from. It sounds like things are a tad better and the hemorrhaging has stopped (e.g. better offer rate), but things aren't picking up "a lot."

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Re: NALP fall recruiting survey results coming out tomorrow

Postby keg411 » Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:46 pm

thesealocust wrote:Re: time lag and data -

NALP publishes data about total numbers of hires from firms. Sometime in March we'll see projected '11 SA class sizes from OCI 2010 for Law School Class of 2012. You'll see these forms, reported from firms, on the NALP directory shortly.


This is the stuff I'm interested in. Glad it will be out soon.

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Re: NALP fall recruiting survey results coming out tomorrow

Postby Fresh » Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:46 pm

romothesavior wrote:
Fresh wrote:Summary:
Fall recruiting picked up a lot since 2009, but still lagging far behind pre-recession levels. Major markets improving, while some secondaries (i.e. Miami, Atlanta) don't appear to be yet.

Not sure where you're getting this from, especially the bolded. It sounds like things are a tad better and the hemorrhaging has stopped (e.g. better offer rate), but things aren't picking up "a lot."


oh ok... "still lagging far behind pre-recession levels" and "picked up a lot" are somewhat contradictory, but I don't suppose that anyone took this summary to mean anything more than "things are a tad better and the hemorrhaging has stopped". If anyone did think that, sorry.




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