CLS 1L, A-, B+, B

(On Campus Interviews, Summer Associate positions, Firm Reviews, Tips, ...)
Forum rules
Anonymous Posting

Anonymous posting is only appropriate when you are revealing sensitive employment related information about a firm, job, etc. You may anonymously respond on topic to these threads. Unacceptable uses include: harassing another user, joking around, testing the feature, or other things that are more appropriate in the lounge.

Failure to follow these rules will get you outed, warned, or banned.
Anonymous User
Posts: 273580
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am

CLS 1L, A-, B+, B

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Feb 03, 2011 12:49 pm

I have a 3.33, which is a little bit above median. Am I shut out of big law if i don't improve this semester?

Renzo
Posts: 4265
Joined: Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:23 am

Re: CLS 1L, A-, B+, B

Postby Renzo » Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:16 pm

No. You're probably shut out of Boise Schiller and Wachtell, but those grades will not keep you out of biglaw.

Anonymous User
Posts: 273580
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am

Re: CLS 1L, A-, B+, B

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:23 pm

unfortunately, i had worse grades even though i thought i did better. but i received a B+, B, and a shocking B-. So you're better off than me. Dare I ask what my chances are? I know a typical response will be that there is always spring semester grades. But there is never a guarantee you'll get straight As.

Anonymous User
Posts: 273580
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am

Re: CLS 1L, A-, B+, B

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:28 pm

Which CLS are we talking about here? Columbia? Chicago? Cornell? Cooley...

User avatar
Kohinoor
Posts: 2756
Joined: Sat Oct 25, 2008 5:51 pm

Re: CLS 1L, A-, B+, B

Postby Kohinoor » Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:30 pm

Anonymous User wrote:unfortunately, i had worse grades even though i thought i did better. but i received a B+, B, and a shocking B-. So you're better off than me. Dare I ask what my chances are? I know a typical response will be that there is always spring semester grades. But there is never a guarantee you'll get straight As.

This sounds counter-intuitive but if your add-drop period is still open you need to max out your credits this semester to maximize the grade swing potential open to you. You should absolutely be studying instead of posting on TLS.

Anonymous User
Posts: 273580
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am

Re: CLS 1L, A-, B+, B

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:43 pm

OP here, CLS=Columbia Law School

Do I have a shot at Ropes & Gray?

Oh, and I applied for some 1L SA positions, and they wrote me back asking for my grades, which I didn't have at the time I applied. I'm assuming that these grades are not going to cut it?
Last edited by Anonymous User on Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:45 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
DallasCowboy
Posts: 650
Joined: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:47 am

Re: CLS 1L, A-, B+, B

Postby DallasCowboy » Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:44 pm

Kohinoor wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:unfortunately, i had worse grades even though i thought i did better. but i received a B+, B, and a shocking B-. So you're better off than me. Dare I ask what my chances are? I know a typical response will be that there is always spring semester grades. But there is never a guarantee you'll get straight As.

This sounds counter-intuitive but if your add-drop period is still open you need to max out your credits this semester to maximize the grade swing potential open to you. You should absolutely be studying instead of posting on TLS.


TCR

User avatar
quakeroats
Posts: 1399
Joined: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:34 am

Re: CLS 1L, A-, B+, B

Postby quakeroats » Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:49 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Which CLS are we talking about here? Columbia? Chicago? Cornell? Cooley...


It's never been completely clear why, but without other indicators to the contrary (thread name, previous mention, etc.) CLS always equals Columbia on TLS.

Anonymous User
Posts: 273580
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am

Re: CLS 1L, A-, B+, B

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:54 pm

Kohinoor wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:unfortunately, i had worse grades even though i thought i did better. but i received a B+, B, and a shocking B-. So you're better off than me. Dare I ask what my chances are? I know a typical response will be that there is always spring semester grades. But there is never a guarantee you'll get straight As.

This sounds counter-intuitive but if your add-drop period is still open you need to max out your credits this semester to maximize the grade swing potential open to you. You should absolutely be studying instead of posting on TLS.


Thanks for the reply. But just to let you know I don't spend hours or even a hour on TLS. Just logged on to make this one post because I can't really ask my classmates anonymously. I didn't think there was anything wrong with taking a minute to ask a question. Also, can't max out credits. I guess just study hard and pray for As.

Anonymous User
Posts: 273580
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am

Re: CLS 1L, A-, B+, B

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:58 pm

As someone who went through CLS's EIP this Fall, I doubt you will be "shut out" with those grades. That is, I know people with around 3.3 who got V100 jobs. However, with that gpa, you are in an undifferentiated mass of people (it's pretty much, kent, LR, stone, everyone else), so you need something else to catch the firms eye. Prior WE was big, LR write on, great interview skills, etc. Point being, you need to improve your grades in order to have a good shot at a firm, rather than simply a shot.

Go talk to your professors about your exams, if possible. Figure out what you did differently on your A- exam vs. your B exam. Almost everyone knows the doctrine, it's all about learning how to take law school exams.

Edit: I have no real knowledge on whether you could do Ropes & Gray.

User avatar
vanwinkle
Posts: 9740
Joined: Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:02 am

Re: CLS 1L, A-, B+, B

Postby vanwinkle » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:00 pm

quakeroats wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Which CLS are we talking about here? Columbia? Chicago? Cornell? Cooley...


It's never been completely clear why, but without other indicators to the contrary (thread name, previous mention, etc.) CLS always equals Columbia on TLS.

It's the highest-ranked school with those initials. This is also why UT always equals the University of Texas.

Chicago as "CLS" wouldn't make sense anyway, because those initials don't match its full name.

Anonymous User
Posts: 273580
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am

Re: CLS 1L, A-, B+, B

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:55 pm

CLS 2L here with a bit below that GPA who struck out at EIP. If you can't get it up to over Stone, you'll still have a good shot at biglaw. However, bidding and hustling to pick up extra interviews by mass mailing and being at your computer at 12:00 during add/drop will become very important. Prepare to tap every contact you know, ask every 2L/3L, troll these forums for advice. Anything OCS tells you should be run through multiple sources to verify. They can only hurt you with a median GPA.

You have a shot at R+G NYC for a 2L SA. Unless you are a URM, IP background, or significant relevant work experience you have no shot at a 1L SA.

Renzo
Posts: 4265
Joined: Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:23 am

Re: CLS 1L, A-, B+, B

Postby Renzo » Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:15 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Which CLS are we talking about here? Columbia? Chicago? Cornell? Cooley...

QF Noob not knowing the board's commonly accepted abbreviations, nor how to work the anonymous function.

Poplock
Posts: 7
Joined: Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:46 pm

Re: CLS 1L, A-, B+, B

Postby Poplock » Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:31 pm

Anyone know how this is affected by someone trying to go into IP with an engineering degree (no work experience) in Texas (Dallas or Houston)? Does it bring down what you'll need to have a good shot much or do you still need Stone (~3.41) to ever have a good shot at a Big Law firm?

Anonymous User
Posts: 273580
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am

Re: CLS 1L, A-, B+, B

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:30 pm

Anonymous User wrote:CLS 2L here with a bit below that GPA who struck out at EIP. If you can't get it up to over Stone, you'll still have a good shot at biglaw. However, bidding and hustling to pick up extra interviews by mass mailing and being at your computer at 12:00 during add/drop will become very important. Prepare to tap every contact you know, ask every 2L/3L, troll these forums for advice. Anything OCS tells you should be run through multiple sources to verify. They can only hurt you with a median GPA.

You have a shot at R+G NYC for a 2L SA. Unless you are a URM, IP background, or significant relevant work experience you have no shot at a 1L SA.


All of the above is 100% true from what I know of last year's EIP. If you have similar grades after second semester, be sure to bid conservatively on firms (i.e., only use a couple bids on V10 and concentrate the vast majority of your bids on V20-50) and, as the above poster advised, add as many firm slots as possible during the add/drop. There is a TON of great interviewing and bidding advice in these forums as well, and people are also helpful if you give them your grades/school before you have to bid and ask their advice.

Anonymous User
Posts: 273580
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am

Re: CLS 1L, A-, B+, B

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:34 pm

Poplock wrote:Anyone know how this is affected by someone trying to go into IP with an engineering degree (no work experience) in Texas (Dallas or Houston)? Does it bring down what you'll need to have a good shot much or do you still need Stone (~3.41) to ever have a good shot at a Big Law firm?


I can't speak directly to IP, but in generally secondary markets were frustrating for a good number of people. The problem is that for secondary market firms, the same 10 people are always interviewing and the firms only give so many callbacks. So if you have 3 or 4 people with great grade at every interview, callbacks for others can be sparse. Hopefully, the engineering degree helps you out.

Anonymous User
Posts: 273580
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am

Re: CLS 1L, A-, B+, B

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:38 pm

OP here

Is my spread looked on differently than straight B+s?

Also, since Columbia doesn't calculate GPAs, is there any difference between my 3.33 and median (~3.25), or is it close enough to not matter?

Anonymous User
Posts: 273580
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am

Re: CLS 1L, A-, B+, B

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:44 pm

I know someone with those kind of grades at Penn who is headed to Debevoise. I don't think you are shut out.

(Not URM although s/he did write onto LR)

Anonymous User
Posts: 273580
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am

Re: CLS 1L, A-, B+, B

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:06 pm

Anonymous User wrote:OP here

Is my spread looked on differently than straight B+s?

Also, since Columbia doesn't calculate GPAs, is there any difference between my 3.33 and median (~3.25), or is it close enough to not matter?


I don't think spread matters too much at this level. I'd never want a spread that includes a B-, but other than that, I don't think anyone cares. The good thing about spread is that you can better figure out how you got an A- in one class (so you can do it again) and a B in another (so you can avoid it).

I don't think there is any real difference between 3.33 and median. From what I gathered from EIP, it's honors (kent/stone), the vast majority, and then those with bad grades (the ones with B-(s) and such. But median people got jobs.

User avatar
RVP11
Posts: 2774
Joined: Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:32 pm

Re: CLS 1L, A-, B+, B

Postby RVP11 » Sun Feb 06, 2011 1:50 am

Renzo wrote:No. You're probably shut out of Boise Schiller and Wachtell, but those grades will not keep you out of biglaw.


Boies Schiller? Really?

User avatar
Veyron
Posts: 3598
Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:50 am

Re: CLS 1L, A-, B+, B

Postby Veyron » Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:09 am

Anonymous User wrote:I have a 3.33, which is a little bit above median. Am I shut out of big law if i don't improve this semester?


Extremely odd anti CLS trolling? Maybe in 2009.

Anonymous User
Posts: 273580
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am

Re: CLS 1L, A-, B+, B

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:40 am

i have exact same grades as you OP... i got the A- in the class I thought I performed worst in, and the B in the class I put the most effort in... go figure :roll:

Not that I'd mind V50-100, but it sure would be nice to be at a V20 firm next summer. Best of luck to us both!

User avatar
irie
Posts: 325
Joined: Sun May 31, 2009 9:50 pm

Re: CLS 1L, A-, B+, B

Postby irie » Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:45 am

Anonymous User wrote:CLS 2L here with a bit below that GPA who struck out at EIP. If you can't get it up to over Stone, you'll still have a good shot at biglaw. However, bidding and hustling to pick up extra interviews by mass mailing and being at your computer at 12:00 during add/drop will become very important. Prepare to tap every contact you know, ask every 2L/3L, troll these forums for advice. Anything OCS tells you should be run through multiple sources to verify. They can only hurt you with a median GPA.

You have a shot at R+G NYC for a 2L SA. Unless you are a URM, IP background, or significant relevant work experience you have no shot at a 1L SA.


Sorry to hear you struck out.... I hope you found something by now that you are happy with. Do you think grades were the main reason? or were there some other glaring errors (such as bidding above your range or not mass mailing) that you made that you would've corrected in hindsight? How do most people in the median/below stone range fare?

Best of luck with everything and thanks for the advice!

Renzo
Posts: 4265
Joined: Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:23 am

Re: CLS 1L, A-, B+, B

Postby Renzo » Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:16 am

RVP11 wrote:
Renzo wrote:No. You're probably shut out of Boise Schiller and Wachtell, but those grades will not keep you out of biglaw.


Boies Schiller? Really?

Well, I don't know about there corporate side, seeing as how I thought someone was joking when they told the firm did corporate work. But the lit associates make BANK, so it's ultra-competitive.

Anonymous User
Posts: 273580
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am

Re: CLS 1L, A-, B+, B

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:31 am

Another CLS 1L...Anyone know what chances are at a 1L SA position with A, A-, B+??




Return to “Legal Employment”

Who is online

The online users are hidden on this forum.