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Re: MVP bottom of t10 should I drop out? Around a 2.8....

Postby fatduck » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:15 pm

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Re: MVP bottom of t10 should I drop out? Around a 2.8....

Postby vanwinkle » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:16 pm

glewz wrote:I know what I posted, and there was nothing wrong with what I said.

Since I asked if you were a 0L, and you ignored the question, I'm going to assume you're a 0L and not worth responding to anymore.

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Re: MVP bottom of t10 should I drop out? Around a 2.8....

Postby LLB2JD » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:20 pm

joemoviebuff wrote:Found this over in the UVA 2L thread:

The only info on grade distributions I've been able to find (other than median and top 25%) was from the UVA Law Blog:

Top 10%: 3.65
Top 25%: 3.48
Top 33%: 3.42
Median: 3.3
Bottom 33%: 3.18
Bottom 25%: 3.12
Bottom 10%: 2.95


Not to hijack the thread, but as someone attending UVA next year, is there is a definitive percentile below which one absolutely should drop out? How far up would the OP have to go to dig himself out of "definitely drop out" territory?


Interested in this as well

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Re: MVP bottom of t10 should I drop out? Around a 2.8....

Postby michigan_man » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:22 pm

There isn't a point that everyone should universally drop out of MVP after first semester. It depends overwhelmingly on the individual and what that person wants to do with his/her law degree.

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Re: MVP bottom of t10 should I drop out? Around a 2.8....

Postby LLB2JD » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:23 pm

michigan_man wrote:There isn't a point that everyone should universally drop out of MVP after first semester. It depends overwhelmingly on the individual and what that person wants to do with his/her law degree.


What if BigLaw to be specific?

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Re: MVP bottom of t10 should I drop out? Around a 2.8....

Postby Lawquacious » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:26 pm

CG614 wrote:Don't listen to these people. Kill it this semester and you will be fine. You can BS a bad first semester as learning curve or something. If you 2.8 it again next semester, then maybe think about what you want to achieve with your degree.


I tend to agree with this, especially if you are only starting your second semester of law school which is what it sounds like. I think the very first sentence of the section I quoted is generally applicable (to those who simply say 'drop-out' when OP isn't necessarily even gunning for BigLaw) even if you don't 'kill' the second semester. Hopefully you will have some improvement though.

If you can't get a legal job out of MVP with a low GPA then all the prestige emphasis about 'T14' on this site is BS. I'm not saying it would be a great job, but I have a hard time imagining that if you stick with law school and eventually pass the bar that you won't have any legal jobs options coming from a T14 regardless of relatively low grades. If your whole goal is BigLaw or something prestigious then obviously the advice may be good. But I didn't hear you say that was the case.
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Re: MVP bottom of t10 should I drop out? Around a 2.8....

Postby glewz » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:29 pm

vanwinkle wrote:
glewz wrote:I know what I posted, and there was nothing wrong with what I said.

Since I asked if you were a 0L, and you ignored the question, I'm going to assume you're a 0L and not worth responding to anymore.


Didn't see the question.

But yes, you should assume that I am a 0L and am therefore not worth responding to.
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Re: MVP bottom of t10 should I drop out? Around a 2.8....

Postby michigan_man » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:29 pm

LLB2JD wrote:
michigan_man wrote:There isn't a point that everyone should universally drop out of MVP after first semester. It depends overwhelmingly on the individual and what that person wants to do with his/her law degree.


What if BigLaw to be specific?

For BIGLAW, there is a point at every school where you should drop out if you didn't hit that mark first semester. This point varies at every school depending on your personal preferences in terms of geographic region and the lowest relative "prestige" of a firm for which you are willing to work. If you are flexible, the necessary first semester GPA is lower than if you are only going to be satisfied with Cravath. When you get to a school, you can talk to your career services and they can give you a better idea about what that GPA would be.

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Re: MVP bottom of t10 should I drop out? Around a 2.8....

Postby soullesswonder » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:35 pm

michigan_man wrote:
LLB2JD wrote:
michigan_man wrote:There isn't a point that everyone should universally drop out of MVP after first semester. It depends overwhelmingly on the individual and what that person wants to do with his/her law degree.


What if BigLaw to be specific?

For BIGLAW, there is a point at every school where you should drop out if you didn't hit that mark first semester. This point varies at every school depending on your personal preferences in terms of geographic region and the lowest relative "prestige" of a firm for which you are willing to work. If you are flexible, the necessary first semester GPA is lower than if you are only going to be satisfied with Cravath. When you get to a school, you can talk to your career services and they can give you a better idea about what that GPA would be.


Sure, you can talk to career services, but I think it's pretty safe to assume bottom 20% is not getting BigLaw (NLJ 250) in this economy - and THAT's assuming heroic efforts to get a 3.3 next semester.

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Re: MVP bottom of t10 should I drop out? Around a 2.8....

Postby Kohinoor » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:37 pm

joemoviebuff wrote:Found this over in the UVA 2L thread:

The only info on grade distributions I've been able to find (other than median and top 25%) was from the UVA Law Blog:

Top 10%: 3.65
Top 25%: 3.48
Top 33%: 3.42
Median: 3.3
Bottom 33%: 3.18
Bottom 25%: 3.12
Bottom 10%: 2.95


Not to hijack the thread, but as someone attending UVA next year, is there is a definitive percentile below which one absolutely should drop out? How far up would the OP have to go to dig himself out of "definitely drop out" territory?
After first semester, somewhere below bottom 10%. After second semester, probably bottom 25%.

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Re: MVP bottom of t10 should I drop out? Around a 2.8....

Postby michigan_man » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:39 pm

soullesswonder wrote:
michigan_man wrote:
LLB2JD wrote:
michigan_man wrote:There isn't a point that everyone should universally drop out of MVP after first semester. It depends overwhelmingly on the individual and what that person wants to do with his/her law degree.


What if BigLaw to be specific?

For BIGLAW, there is a point at every school where you should drop out if you didn't hit that mark first semester. This point varies at every school depending on your personal preferences in terms of geographic region and the lowest relative "prestige" of a firm for which you are willing to work. If you are flexible, the necessary first semester GPA is lower than if you are only going to be satisfied with Cravath. When you get to a school, you can talk to your career services and they can give you a better idea about what that GPA would be.


Sure, you can talk to career services, but I think it's pretty safe to assume bottom 20% is not getting BigLaw (NLJ 250) in this economy - and THAT's assuming heroic efforts to get a 3.3 next semester.


Some big firms take summer associates from the bottom 1/3 of the class at MVP. It all depends on what firms you are looking at. Thus, the advice to check with career services. They know who got offers last year.

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Re: MVP bottom of t10 should I drop out? Around a 2.8....

Postby Lawquacious » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:39 pm

Kohinoor wrote:
joemoviebuff wrote:Found this over in the UVA 2L thread:

The only info on grade distributions I've been able to find (other than median and top 25%) was from the UVA Law Blog:

Top 10%: 3.65
Top 25%: 3.48
Top 33%: 3.42
Median: 3.3
Bottom 33%: 3.18
Bottom 25%: 3.12
Bottom 10%: 2.95


Not to hijack the thread, but as someone attending UVA next year, is there is a definitive percentile below which one absolutely should drop out? How far up would the OP have to go to dig himself out of "definitely drop out" territory?
After first semester, somewhere below bottom 10%. After second semester, probably bottom 25%.


What is your criteria for this? Are you seriously saying that 1/4 of UVA law students can't get ANY legal job at all after graduation??

If so, I think I'd be glad that I chose a lower T1 with some scholly money over T14 if I had been given that choice: I really don't think things are even that bleak at my lower T1 (ranked around 40th). I've probably become one of the biggest prestige whores on here, but with threads like this and certain other networking experiences I've had recently I really am starting to think the prestige emphasis of this site seriously distorts how important rankings are.
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Re: MVP bottom of t10 should I drop out? Around a 2.8....

Postby michigan_man » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:40 pm

Kohinoor wrote:
joemoviebuff wrote:Found this over in the UVA 2L thread:

The only info on grade distributions I've been able to find (other than median and top 25%) was from the UVA Law Blog:

Top 10%: 3.65
Top 25%: 3.48
Top 33%: 3.42
Median: 3.3
Bottom 33%: 3.18
Bottom 25%: 3.12
Bottom 10%: 2.95


Not to hijack the thread, but as someone attending UVA next year, is there is a definitive percentile below which one absolutely should drop out? How far up would the OP have to go to dig himself out of "definitely drop out" territory?
After first semester, somewhere below bottom 10%. After second semester, probably bottom 25%.


Not everyone wants to do biglaw.

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Re: MVP bottom of t10 should I drop out? Around a 2.8....

Postby Kohinoor » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:41 pm

michigan_man wrote:Some big firms take summer associates from the bottom 1/3 of the class at MVP. It all depends on what firms you are looking at. Thus, the advice to check with career services. They know who got offers last year.

The only way you should ride on being that lucky one is if law school isn't costing you anything or you are otherwise impervious to bad financial decisions.

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Re: MVP bottom of t10 should I drop out? Around a 2.8....

Postby Kohinoor » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:41 pm

michigan_man wrote:Not everyone wants to do biglaw.

Who said anything about biglaw?

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Re: MVP bottom of t10 should I drop out? Around a 2.8....

Postby Verity » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:42 pm

Just get with the facts: even if miraculously you pull straight As this semester, your job prospects won't be very good. I'm not saying that getting a legal job will be impossible, but you may have to swallow the hard truth that biglaw won't be in the cards. Maybe a nice job in the government awaits. Your legal future isn't totally screwed, if that's what you're getting out of this. But the likelihood of a good job, or any job after graduation, will be inexorably diminished.

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Re: MVP bottom of t10 should I drop out? Around a 2.8....

Postby michigan_man » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:49 pm

Last post for me for the night for me.

OP, weigh your options with relation to your future career goals. If you only would be happy in biglaw, you need to think about dropping. But who the hell would only be happy in biglaw? There are other ways to be a lawyer, and bottom 25% at MVP is still a great position to be in when you are looking to get a legal job. There are a lot of public interest employers who don't ask for grades when making 2L summer hiring decisions. The MVP name still gets your foot in the door for those jobs and the grades don't matter. At that point, you just have to perform.

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Postby soullesswonder » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:51 pm

michigan_man wrote:Last post for me for the night for me.

OP, weigh your options with relation to your future career goals. If you only would be happy in biglaw, you need to think about dropping. But who the hell would only be happy in biglaw? There are other ways to be a lawyer, and bottom 25% at MVP is still a great position to be in when you are looking to get a legal job. There are a lot of public interest employers who don't ask for grades when making 2L summer hiring decisions. The MVP name still gets your foot in the door for those jobs and the grades don't matter. At that point, you just have to perform.


Okay, I'm calling alt here.

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Re: MVP bottom of t10 should I drop out? Around a 2.8....

Postby fatduck » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:53 pm

soullesswonder wrote:
michigan_man wrote:Last post for me for the night for me.

OP, weigh your options with relation to your future career goals. If you only would be happy in biglaw, you need to think about dropping. But who the hell would only be happy in biglaw? There are other ways to be a lawyer, and bottom 25% at MVP is still a great position to be in when you are looking to get a legal job. There are a lot of public interest employers who don't ask for grades when making 2L summer hiring decisions. The MVP name still gets your foot in the door for those jobs and the grades don't matter. At that point, you just have to perform.


Okay, I'm calling alt here.


yea i'm just wondering why someone would use an alt in a forum with anonymous posting :P

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Re: MVP bottom of t10 should I drop out? Around a 2.8....

Postby soullesswonder » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:55 pm

fatduck wrote:
soullesswonder wrote:
michigan_man wrote:Last post for me for the night for me.

OP, weigh your options with relation to your future career goals. If you only would be happy in biglaw, you need to think about dropping. But who the hell would only be happy in biglaw? There are other ways to be a lawyer, and bottom 25% at MVP is still a great position to be in when you are looking to get a legal job. There are a lot of public interest employers who don't ask for grades when making 2L summer hiring decisions. The MVP name still gets your foot in the door for those jobs and the grades don't matter. At that point, you just have to perform.


Okay, I'm calling alt here.


yea i'm just wondering why someone would use an alt in a forum with anonymous posting :P


the mods have ways of dealing with people who abuse the anon function...it's still safer to use an alt

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Re: MVP bottom of t10 should I drop out? Around a 2.8....

Postby stratocophic » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:56 pm

soullesswonder wrote:
michigan_man wrote:Last post for me for the night for me.

OP, weigh your options with relation to your future career goals. If you only would be happy in biglaw, you need to think about dropping. But who the hell would only be happy in biglaw? There are other ways to be a lawyer, and bottom 25% at MVP is still a great position to be in when you are looking to get a legal job. There are a lot of public interest employers who don't ask for grades when making 2L summer hiring decisions. The MVP name still gets your foot in the door for those jobs and the grades don't matter. At that point, you just have to perform.


Okay, I'm calling alt here.
Some kind of weird flame going on with the Elmo 'tar who claims to be a 0L.

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Re: MVP bottom of t10 should I drop out? Around a 2.8....

Postby underdawg » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:56 pm

if "taking on the max" means you got 0 money from michigan, then yeah you should drop out.

please do realize though that posters care more about proving they are smarter than other posters than actually helping you tho lol

also, career services may have stats, but you should report back after. they will never tell you to drop out.

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Re: MVP bottom of t10 should I drop out? Around a 2.8....

Postby LLB2JD » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:59 pm

soullesswonder wrote:
fatduck wrote:
soullesswonder wrote:
michigan_man wrote:Last post for me for the night for me.

OP, weigh your options with relation to your future career goals. If you only would be happy in biglaw, you need to think about dropping. But who the hell would only be happy in biglaw? There are other ways to be a lawyer, and bottom 25% at MVP is still a great position to be in when you are looking to get a legal job. There are a lot of public interest employers who don't ask for grades when making 2L summer hiring decisions. The MVP name still gets your foot in the door for those jobs and the grades don't matter. At that point, you just have to perform.


Okay, I'm calling alt here.


yea i'm just wondering why someone would use an alt in a forum with anonymous posting :P


the mods have ways of dealing with people who abuse the anon function...it's still safer to use an alt



But mods could still figure out the IPs

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Re: MVP bottom of t10 should I drop out? Around a 2.8....

Postby soullesswonder » Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:01 pm

LLB2JD wrote:
soullesswonder wrote:
the mods have ways of dealing with people who abuse the anon function...it's still safer to use an alt



But mods could still figure out the IPs


I don't pretend to speak for the mods, but I don't think alts piss them off as much.

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Re: MVP bottom of t10 should I drop out? Around a 2.8....

Postby rman1201 » Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:02 pm

please do realize though that posters care more about proving they are smarter than other posters than actually helping you


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