MVP bottom of t10 should I drop out? Around a 2.8.... Forum

[LLB2JD]

This thread is scaring/scared the heck out of me. I'm right in the middle of trying to deal with the high probability, and coming to terms with attending a MVP at sticker. Lord of mercy

[soullesswonder]

This thread is scaring/scared the heck out of me. I'm right in the middle of trying to deal with the high probability, and coming to terms with attending a MVP at sticker. Lord of mercy

90% of 1Ls do not end up in the bottom ten percent of their class - true story. In all likelihood, this is not your future.

[Anonymous User]

This thread is scaring/scared the heck out of me. I'm right in the middle of trying to deal with the high probability, and coming to terms with attending a MVP at sticker. Lord of mercy

90% of 1Ls do not end up in the bottom ten percent of their class - true story. In all likelihood, this is not your future.

but it is a possibility? Isn't it?

[soullesswonder]

This thread is scaring/scared the heck out of me. I'm right in the middle of trying to deal with the high probability, and coming to terms with attending a MVP at sticker. Lord of mercy

90% of 1Ls do not end up in the bottom ten percent of their class - true story. In all likelihood, this is not your future.

but it is a possibility? Isn't it?

Unfortunately, yes - but just as some posters here (rightfully) throw cold water on people who think they're going to make top ten percent 1L year and transfer up, we should be reassuring those who fear being in the bottom ten percent.

[Anonymous User]

accidental anonymous post

[Morgan12Oak]

to be honest with you guys, if you are considering coming to the T14 at sticker... or any law school at sticker and you are genuinely worried about being in the bottom 10%, there probably is a good chance you'll be the bottom 10% and maybe you should reconsider.

[soullesswonder]

to be honest with you guys, if you are considering coming to the T14 at sticker... or any law school at sticker and you are genuinely worried about being in the bottom 10%, there probably is a good chance you'll be the bottom 10% and maybe you should reconsider.

O RLY? So better to just be blissfully unaware and/or overconfident?

[Morgan12Oak]

I just feel as if those who genuinely fear being in the bottom 10% would generally have a substantially higher chance at being in the bottom 10% than one who genuinely feels they will be above median.

Could be a combination of different factors from personal issues to probably the most common in my mind, a lack of confidence in their own work ethic.

[mar12]

If it really is your dream to be a lawyer, I would stay in. You will find a job. Big-law isn't going to be an option, but so what. I would rather graduate in bottom 25% of T14 than middle of a T4 school.

If you stay, you need to figure this thing out and do better.

[rman1201]

I just feel as if those who genuinely fear being in the bottom 10% would generally have a substantially higher chance at being in the bottom 10% than one who genuinely feels they will be above median.

Could be a combination of different factors from personal issues to probably the most common in my mind, a lack of confidence in their own work ethic.

How could a 0L have a legitimate fear of being in the bottom 10% (or be realistically assured of top 10%)? Law school is an entirely different beast from undergrad and it just doesn't seem realistic to have an idea of where you'll end up, regardless of fears. All you can do is look at the stats and realize you have a 90% chance of not being bottom 10% or a 90% of not being top 10%.

[beach_terror]

Quick question? What was your LSAT and UGPA? I am asking because I am curious as to the validity of "LSAT is a strong indicator of 1L performance" thing.

I hope you're able to make the best decision for you.

There is none. I should have been rejected at my school based on my LSAT/GPA yet I'm nowhere near being even below median.

[booboo]

This thread is scaring/scared the heck out of me. I'm right in the middle of trying to deal with the high probability, and coming to terms with attending a MVP at sticker. Lord of mercy

Lord have mercy.

[dresden doll]

What makes this issue a hard call, IMO, is the fact that OP apparently isn't committed to Biglaw. He merely wants a legal job. I have to believe that, even ITE, being rock bottom your first semester at MPVB doesn't conclusively preclude a person from attaining that much.

[Anonymous User]

What makes this issue a hard call, IMO, is the fact that OP apparently isn't committed to Biglaw. He merely wants a legal job. I have to believe that, even ITE, being rock bottom your first semester at MPVB doesn't conclusively preclude a person from attaining that much.

what do you mean?

[Ignatius Reilly]

I'm applying to law school this year, so take what I say with a grain of salt:

What GPA do you think you can get this semester and every semester after?


For instance if you have a 3.4 every semester from now on you will end with a 3.3.

You dont need to be a straight A student to improve your GPA, and bring your ranking up. I would say stay one more semester, and then decide. Although I don't know how much debt you have.

[Verity]

I'm applying to law school this year, so take what I say with a grain of salt:

What GPA do you think you can get this semester and every semester after?


For instance if you have a 3.4 every semester from now on you will end with a 3.3.

You dont need to be a straight A student to improve your GPA, and bring your ranking up. I would say stay one more semester, and then decide. Although I don't know how much debt you have.

No. No. The line to employment starts way before graduation.

TINTCR.

[Kohinoor]

I'm applying to law school this year, so take what I say with a grain of salt:

What GPA do you think you can get this semester and every semester after?


For instance if you have a 3.4 every semester from now on you will end with a 3.3.

You dont need to be a straight A student to improve your GPA, and bring your ranking up. I would say stay one more semester, and then decide. Although I don't know how much debt you have.

[Geat27]

Thanks for posting here. Some thoughts.

Your financial situation is highly relevant to the decision you must make.

15% of UM students will graduate without educational debt. If you are in this category, I recommend sticking with it if you like law school.

If you will graduate with full debt, I would think harder about dropping out... not because your chances of eventually making a legal career are poor (I don't think they are, although it may take time and effort post-graduation), but because of the risk of being stuck with lots of non-dischargeable debt and unable to earn enough to pay it down. If you do go to UM, consider your chances of landing any government/public-interest job and taking advantage of UM's generous loan repayment assistance program.

In any case, try to think of the long term as you make your decision... try to think beyond your first job.

Your first semester grades are not indicative of your future grades, necessarily. Think about how you studied first semester, whether you were distracted or hampered in some way, and why you earned the grades you did.

If you do stay, work hard but not too hard... make sure to have fun, and try to pursue the things that really interest you.

If you do meet with the Dean of Student Affairs tomorrow, ask him there is any way you can be given more time to decide. Perhaps you can frame it such that it seems to him that if you have more time, it will increase the chances that you will stay.

Ask if an (emergency?) leave of absence can be arranged. This might buy you more time to make your decision.

Finally, if you do decide to drop out, you deserve respect for your decisiveness and will surely find a better outlet for your talent and intelligence, than the legal profession, clogged as it is with an excess of aspiring lawyers, corrupted by the recent nature of American legislatures (which listen more carefully to lobbyists than to the people), burdened with an excess of pettiness and greed, and too often bereft of imagination.

[dresden doll]

What makes this issue a hard call, IMO, is the fact that OP apparently isn't committed to Biglaw. He merely wants a legal job. I have to believe that, even ITE, being rock bottom your first semester at MPVB doesn't conclusively preclude a person from attaining that much.

what do you mean?

I simply mean that OP doesn't seem to be picky. Assuming we can trust what he says about his ambitions - and we're obviously supposed to go off of info he provides - he doesn't need a 160k job in order to be happy. He wants to be a lawyer, have a legal job and get by. Those are not incredibly unattainable goals, even for a bottom 10 percent student at MPBV.

In fact, I can think of several people in my class who didn't do hot - to say the least - but are nonetheless bound for PI jobs that they really wanted in the first place.

TL; DR: Being 10 percent your first semester at MPVB doesn't mean that a legal job of some - any - sort is out of a person's reach, even if Biglaw may be.

[Stonewall]

Just imagine being bottom 10% at a non t14 school.. Ouch

[joemoviebuff]

What makes this issue a hard call, IMO, is the fact that OP apparently isn't committed to Biglaw. He merely wants a legal job. I have to believe that, even ITE, being rock bottom your first semester at MPVB doesn't conclusively preclude a person from attaining that much.

what do you mean?

I simply mean that OP doesn't seem to be picky. Assuming we can trust what he says about his ambitions - and we're obviously supposed to go off of info he provides - he doesn't need a 160k job in order to be happy. He wants to be a lawyer, have a legal job and get by. Those are not incredibly unattainable goals, even for a bottom 10 percent student at MPBV.

In fact, I can think of several people in my class who didn't do hot - to say the least - but are nonetheless bound for PI jobs that they really wanted in the first place.

TL; DR: Being 10 percent your first semester at MPVB doesn't mean that a legal job of some - any - sort is out of a person's reach, even if Biglaw may be.

What kind of PI jobs?

[fatduck]

What makes this issue a hard call, IMO, is the fact that OP apparently isn't committed to Biglaw. He merely wants a legal job. I have to believe that, even ITE, being rock bottom your first semester at MPVB doesn't conclusively preclude a person from attaining that much.

what do you mean?

I simply mean that OP doesn't seem to be picky. Assuming we can trust what he says about his ambitions - and we're obviously supposed to go off of info he provides - he doesn't need a 160k job in order to be happy. He wants to be a lawyer, have a legal job and get by. Those are not incredibly unattainable goals, even for a bottom 10 percent student at MPBV.

In fact, I can think of several people in my class who didn't do hot - to say the least - but are nonetheless bound for PI jobs that they really wanted in the first place.

TL; DR: Being 10 percent your first semester at MPVB doesn't mean that a legal job of some - any - sort is out of a person's reach, even if Biglaw may be.

What kind of PI jobs?

i think he meant private investigator

[glewz]

PI = public interest

[AreJay711]

If you do go to UM, consider your chances of landing any government/public-interest job and taking advantage of UM's generous loan repayment assistance program.

Actually, for Michigan anyway, it is any legal job, not just government or public interest job, so if the OP is in fact a Michigan student then it might be worth it to stay. I know UVA and Penn have additional stipulations and I have no idea if the OP would be able to get a qualifying PI job or not.

[Ignatius Reilly]

I was under the impression that PI jobs are some of the most difficult to get