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Re: Should I drop out? Bottom of one of MVP

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:44 am

Relax and wait until you see all of your grades before you make any decisions. As a 1L last year, I finished dead last in one of my classes. However, the rest of my grades were okay, and I talked with all of my professors about my exam performance. I did better during my second semester, and I was able to line up a SA spot at a V100 this summer.

Oh, and I am currently a 2L at MVP.

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Re: Should I drop out? Bottom of one of MVP

Postby underdawg » Fri Jan 07, 2011 2:11 am

megaTTTron wrote:
underdawg wrote:i dunno, if "going over your exams" means an extra $20k+ in the hole (one semester's tuition). if you can't get a semester's money back, then sure, might as well find out what you did wrong


The point is to see how far off you were. What were your other grades. Sometimes the curve effs you. One C+ shouldn't make you drop out.

you should really read my entire post where i reveal that i did not read entire OP

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Re: Should I drop out? Bottom of one of MVP

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:10 am

Definitely wait to see how you do in the rest of the courses. One B- isn't going to ruin you. I got one in each semester (CCN) and still managed multiple SA offers ranging V40-V100. Your other grades can definitely help offset it.

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Re: Should I drop out? Bottom of one of MVP

Postby Lawquacious » Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:21 am

No, unless you are entirely set on BigLaw or otherwise are realizing that you really never wanted law in the first place. Just my opinion.

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Re: Should I drop out? Bottom of one of MVP

Postby Lawquacious » Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:23 am

Anonymous User wrote:Definitely wait to see how you do in the rest of the courses. One B- isn't going to ruin you. I got one in each semester (CCN) and still managed multiple SA offers ranging V40-V100. Your other grades can definitely help offset it.


This too- first semester prob isn't enough to decisively kill your chances at BigLaw anyway unless you repeat the same grades (that's if BigLaw is your whole purpose for going to law school; otherwise I think what I suggested earlier also applies).

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Re: Should I drop out? Bottom of one of MVP

Postby nigelfrost » Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:06 pm

Hey...2nd semester, 2L here. Not that that means anything, but it will at least give context.

The big question I have for you, OP, is whether you're being honest with yourself. If you really are being truthful about "always wanting to be an attorney," then I think you need to consider a few things.

First off, what are your other options? If you don't mind my asking, what did you get your undergrad in? That could have some effect on whether or not to drop. Having an engineering degree versus (what I had) an English degree could be a releveant factor on the dropping decision. The market doesn't just suck for lawyers right now; it sucks for nearly every industry. But some fields may (emphasis on may) be having a better time of it.

Second, wait until you get your other grades in to make a decision. Even if you (as you acknowledge) will be bottom of the class no matter what those other grades are, it will give some closure to the situation before you decide to bail.

Third, consider what this means for the future. If you've "always wanted to be a lawyer" there are other avenues open to you besides Big Law. I realize that the debt is massive; I'm paying sticker at a T20 and it's a killer. But there are debt forgiveness programs, repayment options, and (if it comes down to it) just the plain and simple option of paying it off slowly over the next 30 years. Yeah, it sucks. But if it means you get to do what you've "always wanted to" for the rest of your life, then think of it as a trade off: you've sacrificed financial freedom to wake up every morning and be happy to go to work. That's at least as good as the fuckers that go to law school "for the money," get paid astronomical amounts at Big Law, but hate themselves every day of their lives.

Additionally, remember that there are other factors at play in getting the "good job" post-graduation. I do not have stellar 1L grades. But I made some great contacts with a few attorneys at a firm that I really wanted to work for. I ended up with an unpaid internship my first summer and will be coming back this summer for a summer associate position, working with comrades who are graduating from T10 schools. Don't let the grade thing be your ONLY factor; yes, it's a big part of the employment process, but it's not the ONLY part.

Bottom line: do some serious soul searching. Don't let one letter on your transcript become something that defines you and the rest of your life. If you've got a goal, figure out a way to get there.

Now, it's an entirely different story, though, if you never really wanted to "always be a lawyer" and just "did this for the paycheck." If THAT was your reasoning...then I say drop out now. No question.

Good luck!

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Re: Should I drop out? Bottom of one of MVP

Postby JPrezy87 » Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:07 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I got a grade and it was the lowest possible. Meaning: I am going to be the bottom fourth of my class.

I am thinking about dropping out. I have always wanted to be a lawyer, but if I can't find a job then what is the point?

I worked hard this semester: I outlined for all my classes, I read for every single class, I attended every class, and I took practice tests a few weeks before exams. I have no idea what my mistake are.

Oh, and I am paying sticker.


wtf? drop out? you're gonna drop out as a 3L...that hundred thousand dollar debt you took on gonna go to waste now?? and so what you got mediocre grades...suck it up...move on...and make the best of it :).

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Re: Should I drop out? Bottom of one of MVP

Postby justadude55 » Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:12 pm

Does the bottom 1/2 at MVP really have poor employment options? I'd imagine you're competing against a tough pool at these schools to begin with. Dummies don't really get in.

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Re: Should I drop out? Bottom of one of MVP

Postby JPrezy87 » Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:16 pm

MrAnon wrote:drop out. If you have a C or a D that is the death star for law school transcripts. You are paying way to much money to go on to a career in law that won't pay the bills. Find something you are better at than law school exam taking.


oh come on! seriously....you're saying the guys blacklisted in the legal world now??

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Re: Should I drop out? Bottom of one of MVP

Postby JPrezy87 » Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:22 pm

Anonymous User wrote:....



yea if you're freaking out over something like this then maybe the law world isn't for you..you gotta learn to deal with adversity and bumps in the road...and learn how to cope when things don't go your way...if you're gonna be losing sleep at night over one C- (or whatever the grade was) I don't even wanna see how you react when you can't find a court document or a client disputes the bill :).

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Re: Should I drop out? Bottom of one of MVP

Postby InLikeFlint » Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:46 pm

JPrezy87 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:....



yea if you're freaking out over something like this then maybe the law world isn't for you..you gotta learn to deal with adversity and bumps in the road...and learn how to cope when things don't go your way...if you're gonna be losing sleep at night over one C- (or whatever the grade was) I don't even wanna see how you react when you can't find a court document or a client disputes the bill :).


My god you're a terrible flame.

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Re: Should I drop out? Bottom of one of MVP

Postby los blancos » Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:53 pm

OP wants "A job"

Employment rate at graduation at MVPDNC is over 95%. After 6 months, basically 100%.

Those of you telling him to drop out if he's below median are nuts.

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Re: Should I drop out? Bottom of one of MVP

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:59 pm

Thanks guys for all your support. I am going to wait for my other grades to come in.

My major was liberal arts i.e I have nothing else to fall back on.

Anyways, I did some soul searching and even if I am making 40k, in the end I am still a lawyer plus LRAP will cover my loan payments so I will still be OKAY. Not great, but in a good space.

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Re: Should I drop out? Bottom of one of MVP

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:00 pm

los blancos wrote:OP wants "A job"

Employment rate at graduation at MVPDNC is over 95%. After 6 months, basically 100%.

Those of you telling him to drop out if he's below median are nuts.


thanks for your support!

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Re: Should I drop out? Bottom of one of MVP

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:01 pm

JPrezy87 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I got a grade and it was the lowest possible. Meaning: I am going to be the bottom fourth of my class.

I am thinking about dropping out. I have always wanted to be a lawyer, but if I can't find a job then what is the point?

I worked hard this semester: I outlined for all my classes, I read for every single class, I attended every class, and I took practice tests a few weeks before exams. I have no idea what my mistake are.

Oh, and I am paying sticker.


wtf? drop out? you're gonna drop out as a 3L...that hundred thousand dollar debt you took on gonna go to waste now?? and so what you got mediocre grades...suck it up...move on...and make the best of it :).


I am a 1L. First semester. Thanks for your input.

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Re: Should I drop out? Bottom of one of MVP

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:02 pm

nigelfrost wrote:Hey...2nd semester, 2L here. Not that that means anything, but it will at least give context.

The big question I have for you, OP, is whether you're being honest with yourself. If you really are being truthful about "always wanting to be an attorney," then I think you need to consider a few things.

First off, what are your other options? If you don't mind my asking, what did you get your undergrad in? That could have some effect on whether or not to drop. Having an engineering degree versus (what I had) an English degree could be a releveant factor on the dropping decision. The market doesn't just suck for lawyers right now; it sucks for nearly every industry. But some fields may (emphasis on may) be having a better time of it.

Second, wait until you get your other grades in to make a decision. Even if you (as you acknowledge) will be bottom of the class no matter what those other grades are, it will give some closure to the situation before you decide to bail.

Third, consider what this means for the future. If you've "always wanted to be a lawyer" there are other avenues open to you besides Big Law. I realize that the debt is massive; I'm paying sticker at a T20 and it's a killer. But there are debt forgiveness programs, repayment options, and (if it comes down to it) just the plain and simple option of paying it off slowly over the next 30 years. Yeah, it sucks. But if it means you get to do what you've "always wanted to" for the rest of your life, then think of it as a trade off: you've sacrificed financial freedom to wake up every morning and be happy to go to work. That's at least as good as the fuckers that go to law school "for the money," get paid astronomical amounts at Big Law, but hate themselves every day of their lives.

Additionally, remember that there are other factors at play in getting the "good job" post-graduation. I do not have stellar 1L grades. But I made some great contacts with a few attorneys at a firm that I really wanted to work for. I ended up with an unpaid internship my first summer and will be coming back this summer for a summer associate position, working with comrades who are graduating from T10 schools. Don't let the grade thing be your ONLY factor; yes, it's a big part of the employment process, but it's not the ONLY part.

Bottom line: do some serious soul searching. Don't let one letter on your transcript become something that defines you and the rest of your life. If you've got a goal, figure out a way to get there.

Now, it's an entirely different story, though, if you never really wanted to "always be a lawyer" and just "did this for the paycheck." If THAT was your reasoning...then I say drop out now. No question.

Good luck!


Thanks!

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Re: Should I drop out? Bottom of one of MVP

Postby InLikeFlint » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:03 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
JPrezy87 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I got a grade and it was the lowest possible. Meaning: I am going to be the bottom fourth of my class.

I am thinking about dropping out. I have always wanted to be a lawyer, but if I can't find a job then what is the point?

I worked hard this semester: I outlined for all my classes, I read for every single class, I attended every class, and I took practice tests a few weeks before exams. I have no idea what my mistake are.

Oh, and I am paying sticker.


wtf? drop out? you're gonna drop out as a 3L...that hundred thousand dollar debt you took on gonna go to waste now?? and so what you got mediocre grades...suck it up...move on...and make the best of it :).


I am a 1L. First semester. Thanks for your input.


It's a flame, dude. No need to respond.

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Re: Should I drop out? Bottom of one of MVP

Postby los blancos » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:20 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
los blancos wrote:OP wants "A job"

Employment rate at graduation at MVPDNC is over 95%. After 6 months, basically 100%.

Those of you telling him to drop out if he's below median are nuts.


thanks for your support!


Heh, I think I'm going to be in a similar position to you in a few weeks...

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Re: Should I drop out? Bottom of one of MVP

Postby A&O » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:28 pm

Are you seriously going to let "employment rates" from USNews and from time periods that don't reflect current economic decisions placate your concerns?

If so, that's dumb.

(1) There's absolutely no check against inaccuracy and deceptive reporting.
(2) Even if there is, schools have used means to increase employment rates, including instituting their own "fellowship" programs for graduates who are still unemployed by graduation.
(3) I'd wait for the Class of 2011 statistics to come out. That, in my opinion, is when we'll know the true effect of the economic crisis (and the worst effect it could possibly have).

On a brighter note: The "unemployment" rate is down to 9.4 from 9.8. Rejoice (though not really)!

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Re: Should I drop out? Bottom of one of MVP

Postby Patriot1208 » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:37 pm

A&O wrote:Are you seriously going to let "employment rates" from USNews and from time periods that don't reflect current economic decisions placate your concerns?

If so, that's dumb.

(1) There's absolutely no check against inaccuracy and deceptive reporting.
(2) Even if there is, schools have used means to increase employment rates, including instituting their own "fellowship" programs for graduates who are still unemployed by graduation.
(3) I'd wait for the Class of 2011 statistics to come out. That, in my opinion, is when we'll know the true effect of the economic crisis (and the worst effect it could possibly have).

On a brighter note: The "unemployment" rate is down to 9.4 from 9.8. Rejoice (though not really)!



1) I think it's pretty fair to assume that, while the employment numbers are fudged, if the OP shows real diligence he/she could find A job somewhere.
2) The employment rate is down because 300,000 people stopped looking for jobs, meaning, it isn't really down.

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Re: Should I drop out? Bottom of one of MVP

Postby A&O » Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:01 pm

2) The employment rate is down because 300,000 people stopped looking for jobs, meaning, it isn't really down.


Congratulations! Now you understand why I put "unemployment" in quotation marks.

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Re: Should I drop out? Bottom of one of MVP

Postby Patriot1208 » Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:09 pm

A&O wrote:
2) The employment rate is down because 300,000 people stopped looking for jobs, meaning, it isn't really down.


Congratulations! Now you understand why I put "unemployment" in quotation marks.



Wait, you are being snarky when you were unclear? Sorry bud, you can't expect people to read your mind and that certainly didn't imply that was what you meant.

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Re: Should I drop out? Bottom of one of MVP

Postby A&O » Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:11 pm

Patriot1208 wrote:
A&O wrote:
2) The employment rate is down because 300,000 people stopped looking for jobs, meaning, it isn't really down.


Congratulations! Now you understand why I put "unemployment" in quotation marks.



Wait, you are being snarky when you were unclear? Sorry bud, you can't expect people to read your mind and that certainly didn't imply that was what you meant.


No, I was being snarky since the beginning. If the quotation marks didn't clue you in, perhaps this should have:
Rejoice (though not really)!


Stop blaming others for your illiteracy.

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Re: Should I drop out? Bottom of one of MVP

Postby Patriot1208 » Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:20 pm

A&O wrote:
Patriot1208 wrote:
A&O wrote:
2) The employment rate is down because 300,000 people stopped looking for jobs, meaning, it isn't really down.


Congratulations! Now you understand why I put "unemployment" in quotation marks.



Wait, you are being snarky when you were unclear? Sorry bud, you can't expect people to read your mind and that certainly didn't imply that was what you meant.


No, I was being snarky since the beginning. If the quotation marks didn't clue you in, perhaps this should have:
Rejoice (though not really)!


Stop blaming others for your illiteracy.


lol. You were unclear, it wasn't a big deal, stop being such a dick. Now, lets move on.

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Re: Should I drop out? Bottom of one of MVP

Postby A&O » Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:24 pm

lol. You were unclear, it wasn't a big deal, stop being such a dick. Now, lets move on.


Ohhh the irony.




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