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How bad IS it at WashUStl?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:07 pm

I imagine top 5-10% has mobility.

What are median students doing?

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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?

Postby 2LLLL » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:12 pm

Anecdotally I've heard things aren't great. WUSTL relies a lot on Chicago which wasn't a great market this year

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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:18 pm

2LLLL wrote:Anecdotally I've heard things aren't great. WUSTL relies a lot on Chicago which wasn't a great market this year


I hear their market is *only* St. Louis (and unemployment). Is this only from the gloom-and-doomers?

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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?

Postby 005618502 » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:19 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I imagine top 5-10% has mobility.

What are median students doing?


No, top 5-10% might get jobs in St.L and median students will continue looking for jobs for some time...

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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?

Postby theantiscalia » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:23 pm

Flame.

Things aren't that bad. I'm sure the top half of the class will get jobs at least... probably even more. Things probably aren't as great as they once were, but it isn't at the level where 5-10% of people get jobs.

Try to be thoughtful - and reasonable - when throwing numbers out there.

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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?

Postby 005618502 » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:24 pm

theantiscalia wrote:Flame.

Things aren't that bad. I'm sure the top half of the class will get jobs at least... probably even more. Things probably aren't as great as they once were, but it isn't at the level where 5-10% of people get jobs.

Try to be thoughtful - and reasonable - when throwing numbers out there.


Jobs... yes. Legal jobs? maybe. Biglaw jobs? not even close

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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?

Postby gglr24 » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:25 pm

Top half has never gotten big law here...

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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?

Postby 005618502 » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:27 pm

gglr24 wrote:Top half has never gotten big law here...


Or a combo of midlaw/biglaw/clerkships/prestegious gov work.

I mean things are rough and somone saying that half (probably more) will get jobs is a little over exagerated..

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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:29 pm

AssumptionRequired wrote:
theantiscalia wrote:Flame.

Things aren't that bad. I'm sure the top half of the class will get jobs at least... probably even more. Things probably aren't as great as they once were, but it isn't at the level where 5-10% of people get jobs.

Try to be thoughtful - and reasonable - when throwing numbers out there.


Jobs... yes. Legal jobs? maybe. Biglaw jobs? not even close


From what I've heard (do not quote me);

Top 5-10%: National BIGLAW

10-25%: Chicago and midwestern MIDLAW

25-50%: legalaid, etc.

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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?

Postby 005618502 » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:32 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
AssumptionRequired wrote:
theantiscalia wrote:Flame.

Things aren't that bad. I'm sure the top half of the class will get jobs at least... probably even more. Things probably aren't as great as they once were, but it isn't at the level where 5-10% of people get jobs.

Try to be thoughtful - and reasonable - when throwing numbers out there.


Jobs... yes. Legal jobs? maybe. Biglaw jobs? not even close


From what I've heard (do not quote me);

Top 5-10%: National BIGLAW
10-25%: Chicago and midwestern MIDLAW

25-50%: legalaid, etc.


Bolded is what im curious about.... i mean top 5-10% is good i just dont really see it as a school that can place far from its region...

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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:33 pm

AssumptionRequired wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
AssumptionRequired wrote:
theantiscalia wrote:Flame.

Things aren't that bad. I'm sure the top half of the class will get jobs at least... probably even more. Things probably aren't as great as they once were, but it isn't at the level where 5-10% of people get jobs.

Try to be thoughtful - and reasonable - when throwing numbers out there.


Jobs... yes. Legal jobs? maybe. Biglaw jobs? not even close


From what I've heard (do not quote me);

Top 5-10%: National BIGLAW
10-25%: Chicago and midwestern MIDLAW

25-50%: legalaid, etc.


Bolded is what im curious about.... i mean top 5-10% is good i just dont really see it as a school that can place far from its region...


and by that I only mean a few in Boston, a few in D.C., and one in LA

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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?

Postby Aqualibrium » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:34 pm

AssumptionRequired wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
AssumptionRequired wrote:
theantiscalia wrote:Flame.

Things aren't that bad. I'm sure the top half of the class will get jobs at least... probably even more. Things probably aren't as great as they once were, but it isn't at the level where 5-10% of people get jobs.

Try to be thoughtful - and reasonable - when throwing numbers out there.


Jobs... yes. Legal jobs? maybe. Biglaw jobs? not even close


From what I've heard (do not quote me);

Top 5-10%: National BIGLAW
10-25%: Chicago and midwestern MIDLAW
25-50%: legalaid, etc.


Bolded is what im curious about.... i mean top 5-10% is good i just dont really see it as a school that can place far from its region...


Don't see what you're saying here. Top 5-10% at almost any t1 school is gonna have a good chance to get something in any major market.

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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:36 pm

Aqualibrium wrote:Don't see what you're saying here. Top 5-10% at almost any t1 school is gonna have a good chance to get something in any major market.


Regardless, I'm mostly interested in what median c/o 2013 students can look forward to.

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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?

Postby 005618502 » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:38 pm

Don't see what you're saying here. Top 5-10% at almost any t1 school is gonna have a good chance to get something in any major market.


Im saying the person who is between top 5-10% from there is not going to be getting biglaw in LA or san fran or Texas or anything that is relatively far because it doesnt have national reach.

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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?

Postby 005618502 » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:39 pm

and by that I only mean a few in Boston, a few in D.C., and one in LA


Maybe this shows im wrong if you know specific examples of this, i am only suprised by LA

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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:41 pm

AssumptionRequired wrote:
and by that I only mean a few in Boston, a few in D.C., and one in LA


Maybe this shows im wrong if you know specific examples of this, i am only suprised by LA


only quoting a friend who probably only has second hand knowledge himself

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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?

Postby 005618502 » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:42 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Aqualibrium wrote:Don't see what you're saying here. Top 5-10% at almost any t1 school is gonna have a good chance to get something in any major market.


Regardless, I'm mostly interested in what median c/o 2013 students can look forward to.


This would be interesting to hear... from a valid source of course

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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?

Postby Aqualibrium » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:44 pm

AssumptionRequired wrote:
Don't see what you're saying here. Top 5-10% at almost any t1 school is gonna have a good chance to get something in any major market.


Im saying the person who is between top 5-10% from there is not going to be getting biglaw in LA or san fran or Texas or anything that is relatively far because it doesnt have national reach.



If that person doesn't get jobs in those specific markets, it's because they a) suck at interviewing AND/OR b) don't have ties. It's easy to get to NY, Chicago, DC with absolutely no ties to the market. In LA, San Fran, and ESPECIALLY Texas, things like that matter more.

Also, I don't think you need a valid source to hear what median at WUSTL is looking at. Median past probably Cornell and GULC (extra maybe on those last two) is a rough place to be. Are you doomed? No. Will it be hard? Hell yes.

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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?

Postby Big Shrimpin » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:50 pm

Aqualibrium wrote:
AssumptionRequired wrote:
Don't see what you're saying here. Top 5-10% at almost any t1 school is gonna have a good chance to get something in any major market.


Im saying the person who is between top 5-10% from there is not going to be getting biglaw in LA or san fran or Texas or anything that is relatively far because it doesnt have national reach.



If that person doesn't get jobs in those specific markets, it's because they a) suck at interviewing AND/OR b) don't have ties. It's easy to get to NY, Chicago, DC with absolutely no ties to the market (so long as you're in that top echelon and have a legit desire to be in that market). In LA, San Fran, and ESPECIALLY Texas, things like that matter more.

Also, I don't think you need a valid source to hear what median at WUSTL is looking at. Median past probably Cornell and GULC (extra maybe on those last two) is a rough place to be. Are you doomed? No. Will it be hard? Hell yes.


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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?

Postby RVP11 » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:58 pm

AssumptionRequired wrote:
Don't see what you're saying here. Top 5-10% at almost any t1 school is gonna have a good chance to get something in any major market.


Im saying the person who is between top 5-10% from there is not going to be getting biglaw in LA or san fran or Texas or anything that is relatively far because it doesnt have national reach.


This statement outs you as a 0L/1L with little understanding of legal hiring. Note that you are in the Legal Employment forum.

Contrary to longstanding TLS 0L wisdom, the quality of your law school isn't that strongly correlated with its "national reach." Where in the country you can get a job is largely determined by the combination of your school rank and your grades, and your personal ties.

Examples:

If you've never been to Chicago in your life, attending Duke is not going to help you break into that market (perhaps barring you getting incredible grades) just because it's a T14 and is seen as a school with "national reach."

If you were born and raised in Denver, attending WUSTL is not going to prevent you (provided you have the grades) from coming back to a big firm in Denver just because it's not T14 and supposedly lacks "national reach."
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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?

Postby stratocophic » Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:01 pm

RVP11 wrote:
AssumptionRequired wrote:
Don't see what you're saying here. Top 5-10% at almost any t1 school is gonna have a good chance to get something in any major market.


Im saying the person who is between top 5-10% from there is not going to be getting biglaw in LA or san fran or Texas or anything that is relatively far because it doesnt have national reach.


This statement outs you as a 0L/1L with little understanding of legal hiring. Note that you are in the Legal Employment forum.

Contrary to longstanding TLS 0L wisdom, the quality of your law school isn't that strongly correlated with its "national reach." Where in the country you can get a job is largely determined by the combination of your school rank and your grades, and your personal ties.
But... but... it's WUSTTTL, and they suxxorz!!!1!11!!

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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:04 pm

A very good friend is a top 25% 3L at WUSTL and is frantically applying to state clerkships around the country. From what he's told me, he's far from the exception.

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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?

Postby Big Shrimpin » Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:06 pm

RVP11 wrote:
AssumptionRequired wrote:
Don't see what you're saying here. Top 5-10% at almost any t1 school is gonna have a good chance to get something in any major market.


Im saying the person who is between top 5-10% from there is not going to be getting biglaw in LA or san fran or Texas or anything that is relatively far because it doesnt have national reach.


This statement outs you as a 0L/1L with little understanding of legal hiring. Note that you are in the Legal Employment forum.

Contrary to longstanding TLS 0L wisdom, the quality of your law school isn't that strongly correlated with its "national reach." Where in the country you can get a job is largely determined by the combination of your school rank and your grades, and your personal ties.


T(other)CR

ugh, I can't wait till 1Ls start rolling in here this spring/next summer, completely clueless about legal employment, to start gunking up the forum with misinformed threads

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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?

Postby Fark-o-vision » Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:13 pm

RVP11 wrote:
AssumptionRequired wrote:
Don't see what you're saying here. Top 5-10% at almost any t1 school is gonna have a good chance to get something in any major market.


Im saying the person who is between top 5-10% from there is not going to be getting biglaw in LA or san fran or Texas or anything that is relatively far because it doesnt have national reach.


This statement outs you as a 0L/1L with little understanding of legal hiring. Note that you are in the Legal Employment forum.

Contrary to longstanding TLS 0L wisdom, the quality of your law school isn't that strongly correlated with its "national reach." Where in the country you can get a job is largely determined by the combination of your school rank and your grades, and your personal ties.


You tell us that national reach isn't correlated with "quality", but then go on to tell us that it is correlated with "rank", which serves quid pro quo for quality on this board. I'm confused as to what you were trying to illuminate.

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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?

Postby rayiner » Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:14 pm

Aqualibrium wrote:
AssumptionRequired wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
AssumptionRequired wrote:
Jobs... yes. Legal jobs? maybe. Biglaw jobs? not even close


From what I've heard (do not quote me);

Top 5-10%: National BIGLAW
10-25%: Chicago and midwestern MIDLAW
25-50%: legalaid, etc.


Bolded is what im curious about.... i mean top 5-10% is good i just dont really see it as a school that can place far from its region...


Don't see what you're saying here. Top 5-10% at almost any t1 school is gonna have a good chance to get something in any major market.


I'd think top 10% at WUSTL will get something, though I doubt they'll have their choice of market. DC, LA, etc, will probably not be on the table.

In any case, top 10% at a T1 isn't a guarantee for biglaw much less biglaw in any market. See my post here: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=137613&p=3618869#p3618869

The top 25 schools (by placement) account for about 3,500 of 4,500 NLJ250 jobs. The lower T1 is then fighting with the T2 for the remaining 1,000 jobs. There are about 2,000 students in the lower T1/T2 who are in the top 10% of their class...




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