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1L Summer - UNPAID firm job overseas vs. judicial externship

Postby azukibeanlove » Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:51 pm

Hi everyone,

I'm in a bit of a dilemma - I've been offered to work at a firm in its overseas office (Hong Kong) with no pay for this upcoming summer. I have family in HK, but I would still have to pay for my flight. I have to let the firm know in about one week. Should I accept or decline and apply to judicial externships / positions at the PD or DA's office? Please help!

Thanks!
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Re: 1L Summer - UNPAID firm job overseas vs. judicial externship

Postby dood » Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:12 pm

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Re: 1L Summer - UNPAID firm job overseas vs. judicial externship

Postby azukibeanlove » Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:13 pm

dood wrote:
azukibeanlove wrote:Hi everyone,

I'm in a bit of a dilemma - I've been offered to work at a firm in its overseas office (Hong Kong) with no pay for this upcoming summer. I have family in HK, but I would still have to pay for my flight. I have to let the firm know in about one week. Should I take, or should I decline apply to judicial externships / positions at the PD or DA's office? Please help!

Thanks!

wat firm


DLA Piper.

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Re: 1L Summer - UNPAID firm job overseas vs. judicial externship

Postby RVP11 » Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:15 pm

azukibeanlove wrote:
dood wrote:
azukibeanlove wrote:Hi everyone,

I'm in a bit of a dilemma - I've been offered to work at a firm in its overseas office (Hong Kong) with no pay for this upcoming summer. I have family in HK, but I would still have to pay for my flight. I have to let the firm know in about one week. Should I take, or should I decline apply to judicial externships / positions at the PD or DA's office? Please help!

Thanks!

wat firm


DLA Piper.


Enjoy!

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Re: 1L Summer - UNPAID firm job overseas vs. judicial externship

Postby Aqualibrium » Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:15 pm

I'd go to HK. Judicial exterships are a dime a dozen. IMO, they really aren't that big a deal. The opportunity to get some firm experience, and hang out in Hong Kong is one I wouldn't pass up. Plus it'll be a really interesting thing to talk about on your resume during OCI.

DLA Piper? Why are you even asking this question lol! GO

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Re: 1L Summer - UNPAID firm job overseas vs. judicial externship

Postby azukibeanlove » Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:18 pm

Aqualibrium wrote:I'd go to HK. Judicial exterships are a dime a dozen. IMO, they really aren't that big a deal. The opportunity to get some firm experience, and hang out in Hong Kong is one I wouldn't pass up. Plus it'll be a really interesting thing to talk about on your resume during OCI.

DLA Piper? Why are you even asking this question lol! GO


Haha, I know, people ask me the same thing. I got really lucky. It's just the no-pay thing... even though judicial externships won't pay either, at least I won't have to pay for flight!

I'll take your advice though. Thanks everyone :)

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Re: 1L Summer - UNPAID firm job overseas vs. judicial externship

Postby patrickd139 » Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:18 pm

RVP11 wrote:
azukibeanlove wrote:
dood wrote:wat firm


DLA Piper.


Enjoy!

For the love of all things holy, putting DLA Piper on your resume is worth a fucking plane ticket to Hong Kong.

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Postby dood » Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:20 pm

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Re: 1L Summer - UNPAID firm job overseas vs. judicial externship

Postby ToTransferOrNot » Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:21 pm

patrickd139 wrote:
RVP11 wrote:
azukibeanlove wrote:
dood wrote:wat firm


DLA Piper.


Enjoy!

For the love of all things holy, putting DLA Piper on your resume is worth a fucking plane ticket to Hong Kong.


This.

This is seriously a no-brainer.

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Re: 1L Summer - UNPAID firm job overseas vs. judicial externship

Postby RVP11 » Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:48 pm

patrickd139 wrote:
RVP11 wrote:
azukibeanlove wrote:
dood wrote:wat firm


DLA Piper.


Enjoy!

For the love of all things holy, putting DLA Piper on your resume is worth a fucking plane ticket to Hong Kong.


So that's basically a +1, right?

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Re: 1L Summer - UNPAID firm job overseas vs. judicial externship

Postby azukibeanlove » Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:51 pm

Haha, you guys make me feel like an ungrateful 1L idiot.

And trust me, I know how great this opportunity is, but I keep hearing how judicial externships are better on your resume during OCI's. Not really sure...

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Re: 1L Summer - UNPAID firm job overseas vs. judicial externship

Postby ToTransferOrNot » Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:54 pm

azukibeanlove wrote:Haha, you guys make me feel like an ungrateful 1L idiot.

And trust me, I know how great this opportunity is, but I keep hearing how judicial externships are better on your resume during OCI's. Not really sure....


Edit: You should stop talking to whoever is telling you this. They are trying to sabotage your life.

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Re: 1L Summer - UNPAID firm job overseas vs. judicial externship

Postby azukibeanlove » Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:55 pm

ToTransferOrNot wrote:
azukibeanlove wrote:Haha, you guys make me feel like an ungrateful 1L idiot.

And trust me, I know how great this opportunity is, but I keep hearing how judicial externships are better on your resume during OCI's. Not really sure....



HAHA point taken.

And the no pay aspect - still worth it?

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Re: 1L Summer - UNPAID firm job overseas vs. judicial externship

Postby ToTransferOrNot » Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:57 pm

Your chances of being paid anything 1L summer are low.

Firm experience >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything else for OCI. It will give you the ability to talk intelligently about working at a firm. Everyone and their mother works for a judge the summer after 1L year.

Stop thinking about this. Go enjoy Hong Kong for the summer.

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Re: 1L Summer - UNPAID firm job overseas vs. judicial externship

Postby OGR3 » Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:02 pm

Don't go.

Give them my contact info and I'll go for you.

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Re: 1L Summer - UNPAID firm job overseas vs. judicial externship

Postby patrickd139 » Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:04 pm

azukibeanlove wrote:
ToTransferOrNot wrote:
azukibeanlove wrote:Haha, you guys make me feel like an ungrateful 1L idiot.

And trust me, I know how great this opportunity is, but I keep hearing how judicial externships are better on your resume during OCI's. Not really sure....



HAHA point taken.

And the no pay aspect - still worth it?

I'm going to put a placeholder in here to suggest we're getting trolled.

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Re: 1L Summer - UNPAID firm job overseas vs. judicial externship

Postby patrickd139 » Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:06 pm

RVP11 wrote:
patrickd139 wrote:
RVP11 wrote:
azukibeanlove wrote:DLA Piper.

Enjoy!

For the love of all things holy, putting DLA Piper on your resume is worth a fucking plane ticket to Hong Kong.

So that's basically a +1, right?

It's a +180. Blame the habit of cost-benefit analysis to back up advice.

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Re: 1L Summer - UNPAID firm job overseas vs. judicial externship

Postby azukibeanlove » Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:11 pm

Okay okay thanks everyone.

I didn't think I'd get paid as a 1L summer anywhere either. I just thought that maybe staying in the U.S. for a public sector internship would save me at least plane ticket. But hearing from you guys, I think the decision is clear.

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Re: 1L Summer - UNPAID firm job overseas vs. judicial externship

Postby reasonable_man » Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:13 pm

ToTransferOrNot wrote:
azukibeanlove wrote:Haha, you guys make me feel like an ungrateful 1L idiot.

And trust me, I know how great this opportunity is, but I keep hearing how judicial externships are better on your resume during OCI's. Not really sure....


Edit: You should stop talking to whoever is telling you this. They are trying to sabotage your life.



I'm in the process of hiring for my firm. I can't even count how many judicial externships Ive seen on the resumes that came across my desk.. However, the number of applicants with biglaw experieince is very small and certainly more interesting to me, personally.

In short, go with the position at DLA..

Why aren't they paying though?

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Re: 1L Summer - UNPAID firm job overseas vs. judicial externship

Postby azukibeanlove » Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:26 pm

The person who hired me is an alum of my law school, so this is a side project of his - he is trying his best to send 1L's interested in working abroad to different offices. It's such a great opportunity, and HK is especially GOLDEN for me because I have family there. I jumped when I found out about this opportunity. The biggest issues for me were really just the costs and foregoing judicial internship (and whether that would be detrimental to my resume).

Thank you sooo much for the advice, everyone. Means a lot.
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Re: 1L Summer - UNPAID firm job overseas vs. judicial externship

Postby patrickd139 » Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:49 pm

azukibeanlove wrote:The person who hired me is an alum of my law school (Hastings), so this is a side project of his - he is trying his best to send 1L's interested in working abroad to different offices. It's such a great opportunity, and HK is especially GOLDEN for me because I have family there. I jumped when I found out about this opportunity. The biggest issues for me were really just the costs and foregoing judicial internship (and whether that would be detrimental to my resume).

Thank you sooo much for the advice, everyone. Means a lot.

Unless this judicial internship would be a mythical unicorn SCOTUS internship, DLA (even the free, overseas version) is the right answer.

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Re: 1L Summer - UNPAID firm job overseas vs. judicial externship

Postby azukibeanlove » Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:53 pm

patrickd139 wrote:
azukibeanlove wrote:The person who hired me is an alum of my law school (Hastings), so this is a side project of his - he is trying his best to send 1L's interested in working abroad to different offices. It's such a great opportunity, and HK is especially GOLDEN for me because I have family there. I jumped when I found out about this opportunity. The biggest issues for me were really just the costs and foregoing judicial internship (and whether that would be detrimental to my resume).

Thank you sooo much for the advice, everyone. Means a lot.

Unless this judicial internship would be a mythical unicorn SCOTUS internship, DLA (even the free, overseas version) is the right answer.


LOL. No mythical unicorn here.

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Re: 1L Summer - UNPAID firm job overseas vs. judicial externship

Postby ToTransferOrNot » Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:22 pm

Insert meme: Enjoy DLA Piper's Mythical Unicorn Law Practice: It's Not Guided By Reason*!

*Or logic, or whatever the bird law meme is

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Re: 1L Summer - UNPAID firm job overseas vs. judicial externship

Postby FlightoftheEarls » Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:23 pm

reasonable_man wrote:
Why aren't they paying though?

Also curious about this.

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Re: 1L Summer - UNPAID firm job overseas vs. judicial externship

Postby vamedic03 » Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:58 pm

I'll disagree with all the above posters for the following reasons:

1) I have serious questions about a firm with an unpaid 1L internship and its sketchy that an American firm is operating outside of the NALP guidelines to offer an unpaid internship.

2) Outside of judicial externships, there are lots of other great options for 1L summer - DA's offices, Public Interest organizations, USAO's, etc.

3) 1L summer is your chance to do something that's NOT a firm - if you're interest/set on Big Law, you should take the opportunity your 1L summer to do something that's not BigLaw. Likewise, if you have any inkling that you might want to do public interest / public service down the road, it'd be good to have something legal and NOT biglaw on your resume.

4) Correct me if I'm wrong, but a US to HK ticket is pretty damn expensive ticket; and, a firm has to be really, really friggin' cheap to not only have an unpaid internship but require you to buy the ticket.

Again, I have serious qualms with an American firm offering an unpaid internship.




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