Anonymous User wrote:On underbidding: I think that people flocked to the "least-selective" firms, which resulted in fewer interviews per bid. It seems the secret ninja bidding technique was to use your weakest bids on super-selective firms, because most people are panicking and going for what sound like the least-selective.
Of course, this is all much easier said than done, when career services doesn't really tell you what firms have what GPA floors and what hiring preferences. I get the impression that at my T14, 25% or so was the magic number for many firms, but I really don't know.
I'll also add in a twelfth point:
12. When you get dinged, ask for feedback. You'll get a lot of silence, but some will respond, and their feedback can be enlightening. Most alumni want to help you, even if they're constrained by the number of callbacks they can give out, and if you ask (emphasizing that you're just looking for advice for future interviews, not trying to argue with them about your rejection) I find some will give you very candid and helpful responses. (Even if it kind of makes you want to kill them or yourself, it's good of them to be willing to be honest rather than taking the easy way out and saying "Oh, you were fine, too many qualified applicants, blah blah, you're awesome! Really, you may have just been slightly too good for our humble firm, and your resume intimidated us!")
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RVP11 wrote:Dude, a lot of the firms in the V15 will call back down to MVP's medianish if you can rock the interviews. Notably, STB, Skadden, and Weil aren't super anally selective on grades. Debevoise and Paul Weiss used to go down almost as far and still probably do occasionally. WilmerHale (V16?) is another one.
The ones who generally don't are W&C, Munger, Irell, CSM, S&C, Cleary, Gibson, K&E. I hear conflicting stories about DPW.
See, it's this kind of data that really helps. Why career services doesn't tell you this kind of thing is beyond me. Sheer laziness, I suppose, but wow, that is some incredible laziness. Would it fucking kill them to assemble a booklet with data on apparent/announced GPA floors and other hiring preferences info?
The ninja-bidding is SO CREDITED. Basically, towards the end of your bidding, just bid on the huge interview pools unless you're literally bottom 20%. Those are the only interviews you can get at that stage of the game anyway. They are practice, or a long shot. Sometimes, that gamble pays off.
Also, credited on the 'have answers to the top four questions'-- these are the questions that you will be asked over and over. Think of interesting answers that will invite conversation. Practice them with your friends, OCS counselors, and anyone else that will listen to you. The answers should trip off your tongue.
1) "tell me about yourself" -- your elevator speech. Make it interesting. Throw in some tidbits that suggest you are driven/ interesting
2) "why law school." Leave out the part where you want to get rich.
3) what can I tell you about this firm? -- IMO this is the key question. OCS gave me the excellent advice that you shouldn't ask "what's in it for me" questions. ("Would you consider the firm a 'teaching' firm?" ) also avoid questions that can be answered by looking at the website. Ask about staffing, about work they gave their SA, etc.
4) Know what you'd say about your strengths and weaknesses if asked. Avoid the "perfectionism" answer. Also, multiple times, I was asked the question, "Why should I hire you." If you can come up with a confident response to that question instead of just balking and deliver it cogently and confidently, it will do wonders for you. I'm not kidding. Questions like "why should I hire you" or "what do you want me to remember about you?" are practically designed to make you squirm. If you can look them in the eye and tell them about your strengths (modestly) that can go a long way.
Other advice I would give someone going into OCI includes:
* be really tidy. Don't carry a backpack or a purse with stuff hanging out of it. Invest in a structured stachel or briefcase and keep everything in it. Either that or one of those pad-folios. The downside of those is there's nowhere to put your phone, etc. Don't just stuff your pockets with your extra stuff. We can see that crap bulging all over the place out of your pockets. It looks awful.
* spend some money on a suit. you can tell the cheap ones from the expensive ones. You're going $150k in the hole for this education, spend an extra $300-400 in the interest of getting a job.
* lose weight over the summer if you need to. I hate to sound so superficial, but attractiveness makes a difference in the hiring process and you will feel more confident.
* ladies, put on some hose. Yes, it's a pain. It's also only three days of your life.
* men: shave. You don't look better/older/ more professional with your goatee/beard/ fuzz/stache/whatever. Facial hair is unprofessional.
* ladies, tie your hair back unless it's shorter than chin-length.
* visit the hospitality suite of every firm you are interviewing with, some of them literally tick your name off on a list to note you made the effort.
* related to the end of point #4 above, don't ever be apologetic. Some of us have better grades, some of us have worse grades. That doesn't mean a whole lot about what you have to offer a firm, and you need to believe that while you're interviewing.
* this is controversial on these boards, but I'm going to say what worked for me (below median, probably bottom 30%, multiple V10 offers): if your grades suck, and they ask you if there's anything you can improve on or "how law school went" -- I addressed my grades head-on in every interview that I was given the opportunity to do so, and it paid off like crazy. I just said, " i'm still getting used to the LS exam format and how quickly you have to move through the issues... I like to treat things in more depth." It paid off like crazy. If your grades are not good, you need to show them that you're very smart and it's just not your cup of tea. Also indicate willingness/intent to learn and improve.
*ETA: Also controversial on these boards but merits mention: leave your 3-karat engagement rock (anything bigger than 1/2 kt in my opinion) at home for these interviews. Ditto the birkin, rolex, louboutins, etc. I don't care if you bought it with your bonus when you worked at Goldman, or whatever. Leave it at home. It doesn't make you look like you're sophisticated/successful. It makes you look like a spoiled kept brat with bad judgment.