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Simpson Thacher NY v Paul Hastings DC

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:21 am
by ahhhbiglaw
I know these firms/offices differ drastically, and I think that's why I'm having such a hard time going with one or the other. QOL is moderately important to me (or as important as it can be for someone about to take a job at a big law firm), and I think both PH specifically and a DC practice more generally lend themselves to a better QOL. I'm thinking litigation in the long run, and I don't think either knocks it out of the park in that area.

Simpson has no billable min, while PH's 'budget' is 2000 - any thoughts on whether 'no billable min' means that you'll be billing so much we don't care whether it's 2400 or 2600?

Would I be a moron if I took PH over a V10?

Thoughts in general?

Re: Simpson Thacher NY v Paul Hastings DC

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:21 am
by Anonymous User
Take STB. Your career will thank you for it.

any thoughts on whether 'no billable min' means that you'll be billing so much we don't care whether it's 2400 or 2600?


I don't know if it means that. I think, for a place like STB, billing 2000 will keep you there for a few years. But you'd have to do 2200 if you want to stay longer, and over 2400 if you want to be on track for partner.

Re: Simpson Thacher NY v Paul Hastings DC

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:35 am
by ahhhbiglaw
Thanks for the advice/info!

Re: Simpson Thacher NY v Paul Hastings DC

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 5:22 pm
by vamedic03
ahhhbiglaw wrote:I know these firms/offices differ drastically, and I think that's why I'm having such a hard time going with one or the other. QOL is moderately important to me (or as important as it can be for someone about to take a job at a big law firm), and I think both PH specifically and a DC practice more generally lend themselves to a better QOL. I'm thinking litigation in the long run, and I don't think either knocks it out of the park in that area.

Simpson has no billable min, while PH's 'budget' is 2000 - any thoughts on whether 'no billable min' means that you'll be billing so much we don't care whether it's 2400 or 2600?

Would I be a moron if I took PH over a V10?

Thoughts in general?


Unless you feel a really, really strong draw to DC or to Paul Hastings, STB is a much, much, much stronger firm. That said, what practices areas are you interested in?

Re: Simpson Thacher NY v Paul Hastings DC

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:09 pm
by RVP11
I wouldn't choose PH over STB just because you like the idea of a DC practice more than a NY practice.

I also wouldn't choose STB over PH thinking that you're going to be able to skate by billing only 2000 hours a year because there's no minimum. Billing only 2000 hours at STB means you're shirking responsibility, leaving earlier than you should, dodging partners, etc.

STB is a MUCH better and healthier firm. And you're still going to work big hours in DC BigLaw. I'd take STB unless you have compelling reasons for being in DC.

Re: Simpson Thacher NY v Paul Hastings DC

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:16 pm
by Anonymous User
Billing only 2000 hours at STB means you're shirking responsibility, leaving earlier than you should, dodging partners, etc.


There's no way that's true. I work at a firm that's reputable for having the worst hours in the industry, and 2000 hours will still buy you a couple years here. 1600-1800 is when you're:

shirking responsibility, leaving earlier than you should, dodging partners, etc.


Not everyone wants to stay at the firm long term. For "tourists," 2000 is perfectly reasonable.

Re: Simpson Thacher NY v Paul Hastings DC

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:44 pm
by ahhhbiglaw
Thanks for all the input guys.

I wouldn't say I have a compelling reason for staying in DC, but I am a local and do prefer it here. Reputation is important, and so is $$$, but given that the firms pay the same I think my primary goal is to have my life be as not-miserable as possible (with rep being a tie breaker or overwhelming a minimal QOL difference).

In answer to an earlier question - I'm planning on doing lit, barring any life-changing experiences over the summer.

If one were to take a "tour" of STB, any thought on coming back to DC?
Other thoughts? Face-time requirement differences, etc.?

Re: Simpson Thacher NY v Paul Hastings DC

Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 3:58 pm
by Anonymous User
ahhhbiglaw wrote:Thanks for all the input guys.

I wouldn't say I have a compelling reason for staying in DC, but I am a local and do prefer it here. Reputation is important, and so is $$$, but given that the firms pay the same I think my primary goal is to have my life be as not-miserable as possible (with rep being a tie breaker or overwhelming a minimal QOL difference).

In answer to an earlier question - I'm planning on doing lit, barring any life-changing experiences over the summer.

If one were to take a "tour" of STB, any thought on coming back to DC?
Other thoughts? Face-time requirement differences, etc.?



I picked STB over Cravath, S&C and DPW so that should tell you something. Their lit department, while not as strong as those V5 firms, is still quite strong and underrated, although I'm more interested in corp. I would certainly pick STB over PH by a very very long shot; there's no comparison when it comes to giving your career and resume a big boost.

Go to STB for a few years then go to PH as an exit option if you want to be at DC for the long term. You can't do that the other way around if you're so inclined.

STB, as most of the elite NYC biglaw firms, would probably require soul-crushing billable hours if you hope to stay without getting boned for "performance reasons".