Which firm is best for lit?

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Which firm for litigation

Poll ended at Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:43 am

Goodwin Boston
4
17%
Kirkland DC
20
83%
Fried Frank DC
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 24

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Which firm is best for lit?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:43 am

Quality of work matters to me, but so does quality of life.

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Re: Which firm is best for lit?

Postby Anonymous Abuser » Tue Oct 05, 2010 10:26 am

LOL @ big law & quality of life.

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Re: Which firm is best for lit?

Postby NYAssociate » Tue Oct 05, 2010 10:33 am

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Re: Which firm is best for lit?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:59 pm

NYAssociate wrote:"Quality of life" in this economy is "having a job." You'll work hard at any of these places. But take K&E for the job security and quality of work and practice.

Kirkland's overrated, not sure why you cheer for them in every thread you post on, Kirkland NY is very very dangerous.
Kirkland DC is good, but not nearly as good as some other DC options.
For these three? Yes, Kirk DC

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Re: Which firm is best for lit?

Postby NYAssociate » Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:09 pm

Not so much that as I don't think there is any competition. Regarding Cadwalader, I'm genuinely happy for you.

I told myself that the day people started publicly speculating about where I work or trying to out me, I'd stop posting. The risk to me far outweighs any benefit I could provide here. While I certainly have my favorites when it comes to specific firms, I like to think provide some value beyond that. This is my last post.

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Re: Which firm is best for lit?

Postby bluefish » Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:12 pm

NYAssociate wrote:Not so much that as I don't think there is any competition. Regarding Cadwalader, I'm genuinely happy for you.

I told myself that the day people started publicly speculating about where I work or trying to out me, I'd stop posting. The risk to me far outweighs any benefit I could provide here. While I certainly have my favorites when it comes to specific firms, I like to think provide some value beyond that. This is my last post.

Why should we care about this? Why do you have such an overinflated view of the utility you add to this largely anonymous internet chat board?

Who cares whether you work for Kirkland NY? You're 1) being too paranoid, 2) being REALLY arrogant about your "usefulness" on this site.

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Re: Which firm is best for lit?

Postby vanwinkle » Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:14 pm

Let's end the pissing contest and get back to trying to give the OP legitimate advice, for those who have advice they haven't already given.

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Re: Which firm is best for lit?

Postby BruceWayne » Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:18 pm

I thought Kirkland DC was a seriously top notch firm? Top notch as in only behind W&C in DC. Was I misguided, aren't they very selective?

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Re: Which firm is best for lit?

Postby bluefish » Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:21 pm

BruceWayne wrote:I thought Kirkland DC was a seriously top notch firm? Top notch as in only behind W&C in DC. Was I misguided, aren't they very selective?

nope, covington, jenner, etc. >>> kirk DC

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Re: Which firm is best for lit?

Postby BruceWayne » Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:44 pm

bluefish wrote:
BruceWayne wrote:I thought Kirkland DC was a seriously top notch firm? Top notch as in only behind W&C in DC. Was I misguided, aren't they very selective?

nope, covington, jenner, etc. >>> kirk DC


Isn't Covington focused on regulatory and life science work? While Jenner is focused on appellate. If you don't want to work in those areas how are they any better?

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Re: Which firm is best for lit?

Postby spondee » Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:52 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Kirkland NY is very very dangerous.


How so?

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Re: Which firm is best for lit?

Postby Anonymous Abuser » Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:53 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
NYAssociate wrote:"Quality of life" in this economy is "having a job." You'll work hard at any of these places. But take K&E for the job security and quality of work and practice.

Kirkland's overrated, not sure why you cheer for them in every thread you post on, Kirkland NY is very very dangerous.
Kirkland DC is good, but not nearly as good as some other DC options.
For these three? Yes, Kirk DC


Yeah, I'm curious to hear this as well.

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Re: Which firm is best for lit?

Postby vamedic03 » Tue Oct 05, 2010 4:04 pm

BruceWayne wrote:
bluefish wrote:
BruceWayne wrote:I thought Kirkland DC was a seriously top notch firm? Top notch as in only behind W&C in DC. Was I misguided, aren't they very selective?

nope, covington, jenner, etc. >>> kirk DC


Isn't Covington focused on regulatory and life science work? While Jenner is focused on appellate. If you don't want to work in those areas how are they any better?



Covington is full service - yes, it has strong regulatory and life science practices, but, it also has strong: insurance (policy holder), litigation, sports, etc, etc.

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Re: Which firm is best for lit?

Postby BruceWayne » Tue Oct 05, 2010 5:51 pm

vamedic03 wrote:
BruceWayne wrote:
bluefish wrote:
BruceWayne wrote:I thought Kirkland DC was a seriously top notch firm? Top notch as in only behind W&C in DC. Was I misguided, aren't they very selective?

nope, covington, jenner, etc. >>> kirk DC


Isn't Covington focused on regulatory and life science work? While Jenner is focused on appellate. If you don't want to work in those areas how are they any better?



Covington is full service - yes, it has strong regulatory and life science practices, but, it also has strong: insurance (policy holder), litigation, sports, etc, etc.


So you're saying that even in general litigation they're better than Kirkland DC?

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Re: Which firm is best for lit?

Postby rayiner » Tue Oct 05, 2010 5:57 pm

Kirkland DC is great, though behind W&C, Covington, Wilmer, A&P, etc.

I'm also curious to see where people are getting the idea that Kirkland NY is dangerous. Kirkland's stats are as solid as any other firm ITE that isn't called W&C or Wachtell.

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Re: Which firm is best for lit?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Oct 05, 2010 7:22 pm

OP here. I was really hoping someone would say Goodwin. My boyfriend is in Boston :/

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Re: Which firm is best for lit?

Postby vamedic03 » Tue Oct 05, 2010 7:53 pm

BruceWayne wrote:
vamedic03 wrote:
BruceWayne wrote:
bluefish wrote:nope, covington, jenner, etc. >>> kirk DC


Isn't Covington focused on regulatory and life science work? While Jenner is focused on appellate. If you don't want to work in those areas how are they any better?



Covington is full service - yes, it has strong regulatory and life science practices, but, it also has strong: insurance (policy holder), litigation, sports, etc, etc.


So you're saying that even in general litigation they're better than Kirkland DC?


If you're 100% sure that you want to do general commercial lit, and Kirkland DC is a good fit for you, then it would be perfectly reasonable for you to pick it over Covington DC. But, overall, most would probably argue that Covington DC is at least equal or stronger than Kirkland DC.

Both are great offices however, and someone couldn't go wrong picking between those two.

It's also worth mentioning that when looking at firms, you look at peer groups, not a straight up ranking. e.g. in NYC - S&C, DPW, CSM are peer firms; in DC, Covington, WilmerHale, etc. are peer firms.

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Re: Which firm is best for lit?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:10 pm

vamedic03 wrote:It's also worth mentioning that when looking at firms, you look at peer groups, not a straight up ranking. e.g. in NYC - S&C, DPW, CSM are peer firms; in DC, Covington, WilmerHale, etc. are peer firms.


Who are the DC peer firms besides covington and wilmer? I'm still shaky on how this market is viewed?

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Re: Which firm is best for lit?

Postby Pablo Ramirez » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:30 pm

vamedic03 wrote:. . . when looking at firms, you look at peer groups, not a straight up ranking. e.g. in NYC - S&C, DPW, CSM are peer firms . . . .


S&C and CSM are peer firms.

DPW's peer firms are Simpson and Cleary.

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Re: Which firm is best for lit?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Oct 05, 2010 10:05 pm

If you are in a long-term serious relationship, it is important to weigh that as well. It is also important to weigh where you want to live long term. I know I am happy that I weighed it.

You're choosing between great firms - not between shit law and a great opportunity. You should feel okay about choosing Goodwin if it's a relationship that truly makes you happy and has been going on for a long time. Do not choose Goodwin just for your boyfriend and DEFINITELY don't weigh the relationship all that much if you have been dating this person for a year or so.

I just encourage you to weigh everything, not just the rank of a firm. It's okay to do this (regardless of the prestige whoring of our profession). You're going to be working with very talented attorneys regardless of your choice.

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Re: Which firm is best for lit?

Postby vamedic03 » Tue Oct 05, 2010 10:31 pm

Anonymous User wrote:If you are in a long-term serious relationship, it is important to weigh that as well. It is also important to weigh where you want to live long term. I know I am happy that I weighed it.

You're choosing between great firms - not between shit law and a great opportunity. You should feel okay about choosing Goodwin if it's a relationship that truly makes you happy and has been going on for a long time. Do not choose Goodwin just for your boyfriend and DEFINITELY don't weigh the relationship all that much if you have been dating this person for a year or so.

I just encourage you to weigh everything, not just the rank of a firm. It's okay to do this (regardless of the prestige whoring of our profession). You're going to be working with very talented attorneys regardless of your choice.


TCR

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Re: Which firm is best for lit?

Postby phoenixsoars » Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:35 am

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Re: Which firm is best for lit?

Postby rayiner » Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:07 am

Pablo Ramirez wrote:
vamedic03 wrote:. . . when looking at firms, you look at peer groups, not a straight up ranking. e.g. in NYC - S&C, DPW, CSM are peer firms . . . .


S&C and CSM are peer firms.

DPW's peer firms are Simpson and Cleary.


Unjustifiable S&C trolling.

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Re: Which firm is best for lit?

Postby Pablo Ramirez » Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:55 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Pablo Ramirez wrote:
vamedic03 wrote:. . . when looking at firms, you look at peer groups, not a straight up ranking. e.g. in NYC - S&C, DPW, CSM are peer firms . . . .


S&C and CSM are peer firms.

DPW's peer firms are Simpson and Cleary.


Unjustifiable S&C trolling.


Actually, you're right.

CSM is peerless.

DPW's peer firms are Simpson and S&C.

Cleary is a Turd Tulip Toilet.




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