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And if so which firms and how bad do the grades need to be?

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Dude. There's a thread on this very issue on the second page of threads (at this point in time) in this section of the forum. Search a little.

Short answer: Some do (e.g. Gibson), but not all.

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Does Simpson?

I think the answer would vary not just on the firm but how bad your 2L grades are. I mean, maybe some firms don't have a reputation for no-offering because nobody they pick tanks so badly as to trip their alarms. I'm sure every single firm has some kind of cutoff below which they'd try to cut you loose as soon as possible, it's just low enough that the people they pick almost never hit it.

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NYAssociate wrote:

chipchip wrote:Dude. There's a thread on this very issue on the second page of threads (at this point in time) in this section of the forum. Search a little.

Short answer: Some do (e.g. Gibson), but not all.

The search function isn't working.

Yes, but this question has come up twice now in a week, at least. Search function may not work, but clicking back a page or two does.

NYAssociate wrote:Honestly, just try not to get any B-s or below. Regarding Gibson Dunn, I've heard the same thing (and I've heard of no-offers based on poorer grades, and even rejection of laterals).

How big of a grade drop does Gibson tolerate?

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chipchip wrote:

NYAssociate wrote:

chipchip wrote:Dude. There's a thread on this very issue on the second page of threads (at this point in time) in this section of the forum. Search a little.

Short answer: Some do (e.g. Gibson), but not all.

The search function isn't working.

Yes, but this question has come up twice now in a week, at least. Search function may not work, but clicking back a page or two does.

OMG, two threads on the same question on two different pages on TLS! Usually I steer clear of sarcasm on here, but seriously, STFU.

First of all, you don't need to read it, so there is no reason for you to care. Second, it is an internet forum, it is not like there is limited space or anything. Just let people ask their legitimate questions and ignore the ones that you don't care about. It is really not that hard.

I have a friend who totally bombed in 2L. She got bad grades across the board, including some variety of C, which never happens here. She was really worried about it, but got an offer. The only reason I would not take this as seriously as one might otherwise, is that I think this year firms were really keen to join the 100% offer club; they might not be so keen next year.

my firm didn't even ask for 2L grades before they tripped all over their feet in the race to join 100% (there was one completely useless SA and i think everyone thought she'd get no-offered).

Anonymous User wrote:

NYAssociate wrote:Honestly, just try not to get any B-s or below. Regarding Gibson Dunn, I've heard the same thing (and I've heard of no-offers based on poorer grades, and even rejection of laterals).

How big of a grade drop does Gibson tolerate?

I don't know either, but as someone going to Gibson this summer, I'm not too worried about it. Sure, they care more than other firms and only have a 90% offer rate or so, but think about it logically. First, you made their grade cut-off the first go round (and from what I understand they have a fairly high cut-off), so unless you think your 1L grades were a miracle or you were a gunner who spent all your time in the library, chances is your grades won't significantly drop off.

Second, why would they care about grades when they know your work capabilities? They probably want you to look good on paper for clients. Clients wont see your transcript, so whether you look good on paper is based on graduation honors, clerkship, LR, school. Since you can't change the last two, just make sure you keep honors. At a relatively lower ranked school, an SA is probably on track for magna, try not to lose that; at somewhere like H or CCN (omitted S&Y b/c no graduation honors) an SA is probably on track or "with honors" or "cum laude," so try to make sure they know you'll have that credential.

Bottom line: They want people who look smart on paper, and they wouldn't have hired you just to no-offer you. Just keep doing what you're doing and I'm sure you'll be fine from a grades perspective.

Again, want to be clear that this is speculation; I have no first hand knowledge and could be wrong, but this is what I tell myself, at least.

Firms may take it into account- more so if your grades changed significantly. Getting straight C's 2L year after getting a 3.8 1L year would certainly raise some eyebrows. On the other hand, I doubt there are any firms that would care if you dropped from a 3.8 to a 3.7.

The quality of work product is far and away the most important factor in deciding who gets an offer, followed by personality. Grades are probably only going to be a factor for someone who is really on the bubble and had an unusually bad 2L year.

Anonymous User wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:

NYAssociate wrote:Honestly, just try not to get any B-s or below. Regarding Gibson Dunn, I've heard the same thing (and I've heard of no-offers based on poorer grades, and even rejection of laterals).

How big of a grade drop does Gibson tolerate?

I don't know either, but as someone going to Gibson this summer, I'm not too worried about it. Sure, they care more than other firms and only have a 90% offer rate or so, but think about it logically. First, you made their grade cut-off the first go round (and from what I understand they have a fairly high cut-off), so unless you think your 1L grades were a miracle or you were a gunner who spent all your time in the library, chances is your grades won't significantly drop off.

Second, why would they care about grades when they know your work capabilities? They probably want you to look good on paper for clients. Clients wont see your transcript, so whether you look good on paper is based on graduation honors, clerkship, LR, school. Since you can't change the last two, just make sure you keep honors. At a relatively lower ranked school, an SA is probably on track for magna, try not to lose that; at somewhere like H or CCN (omitted S&Y b/c no graduation honors) an SA is probably on track or "with honors" or "cum laude," so try to make sure they know you'll have that credential.

Bottom line: They want people who look smart on paper, and they wouldn't have hired you just to no-offer you. Just keep doing what you're doing and I'm sure you'll be fine from a grades perspective.

Again, want to be clear that this is speculation; I have no first hand knowledge and could be wrong, but this is what I tell myself, at least.

ROFLMFAO at Gibson being selective.

bluefish wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:

NYAssociate wrote:Honestly, just try not to get any B-s or below. Regarding Gibson Dunn, I've heard the same thing (and I've heard of no-offers based on poorer grades, and even rejection of laterals).

How big of a grade drop does Gibson tolerate?

I don't know either, but as someone going to Gibson this summer, I'm not too worried about it. Sure, they care more than other firms and only have a 90% offer rate or so, but think about it logically. First, you made their grade cut-off the first go round (and from what I understand they have a fairly high cut-off), so unless you think your 1L grades were a miracle or you were a gunner who spent all your time in the library, chances is your grades won't significantly drop off.

Second, why would they care about grades when they know your work capabilities? They probably want you to look good on paper for clients. Clients wont see your transcript, so whether you look good on paper is based on graduation honors, clerkship, LR, school. Since you can't change the last two, just make sure you keep honors. At a relatively lower ranked school, an SA is probably on track for magna, try not to lose that; at somewhere like H or CCN (omitted S&Y b/c no graduation honors) an SA is probably on track or "with honors" or "cum laude," so try to make sure they know you'll have that credential.

Bottom line: They want people who look smart on paper, and they wouldn't have hired you just to no-offer you. Just keep doing what you're doing and I'm sure you'll be fine from a grades perspective.

Again, want to be clear that this is speculation; I have no first hand knowledge and could be wrong, but this is what I tell myself, at least.

ROFLMFAO at Gibson being selective.

they can be in this economy

bluefish wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:

NYAssociate wrote:Honestly, just try not to get any B-s or below. Regarding Gibson Dunn, I've heard the same thing (and I've heard of no-offers based on poorer grades, and even rejection of laterals).

How big of a grade drop does Gibson tolerate?

I don't know either, but as someone going to Gibson this summer, I'm not too worried about it. Sure, they care more than other firms and only have a 90% offer rate or so, but think about it logically. First, you made their grade cut-off the first go round (and from what I understand they have a fairly high cut-off), so unless you think your 1L grades were a miracle or you were a gunner who spent all your time in the library, chances is your grades won't significantly drop off.

Second, why would they care about grades when they know your work capabilities? They probably want you to look good on paper for clients. Clients wont see your transcript, so whether you look good on paper is based on graduation honors, clerkship, LR, school. Since you can't change the last two, just make sure you keep honors. At a relatively lower ranked school, an SA is probably on track for magna, try not to lose that; at somewhere like H or CCN (omitted S&Y b/c no graduation honors) an SA is probably on track or "with honors" or "cum laude," so try to make sure they know you'll have that credential.

Bottom line: They want people who look smart on paper, and they wouldn't have hired you just to no-offer you. Just keep doing what you're doing and I'm sure you'll be fine from a grades perspective.

Again, want to be clear that this is speculation; I have no first hand knowledge and could be wrong, but this is what I tell myself, at least.

ROFLMFAO at Gibson being selective.

It's all relative.