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Re: Top Plaintiffs' Firms?

Postby minnbills » Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:03 pm

What's the recruitment process like for these firms? Are they more selective than most biglaw firms?

Would love to get some more info

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Re: Top Plaintiffs' Firms?

Postby reasonable_man » Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:52 am

Anonymous User wrote:I interviewed at Labaton. Avoid that place like the plague. It's doc review hell.



Yea... But they make bank...

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Re: Top Plaintiffs' Firms?

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:22 am

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johndhi wrote:Thought I'd pick this thread up as it's about time for the plaintiffs firms to begin their summer associate hiring. I know Cohen Milstein (DC) is conducting screeners now and that Lieff Cabraser (SF) is about to do the same. Any other firms people are interested in?

Anyone have an impression of how easy it is to make transition from 2-3 years of biglaw to plaintiffs' work?



Has Lieff Cabraser contacted people yet? I applied awhile ago (good school, good grades, strong SF ties, but not the strongest public interest creds) and haven't heard anything.


On info and belief, they haven't. I think they must have already done OCI at Stanford and Berkeley, but as far as I know they haven't decided on which applications to look further into yet.


They've done callbacks and rejections at SLS, but I'm not sure if they've made any offers.

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Re: Top Plaintiffs' Firms?

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:18 pm

reasonable_man wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I interviewed at Labaton. Avoid that place like the plague. It's doc review hell.



Yea... But they make bank...


By fucking junior lawyers in the ass, and then throwing them on the street before the blood dries

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Re: Top Plaintiffs' Firms?

Postby ResolutePear » Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:18 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
reasonable_man wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I interviewed at Labaton. Avoid that place like the plague. It's doc review hell.



Yea... But they make bank...


By fucking junior lawyers in the ass, and then throwing them on the street before the blood santorum dries

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Re: Top Plaintiffs' Firms?

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Sep 25, 2011 12:36 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Motley Rice is doing CB's next week.

Googling was a bit spotty, but you wouldn't know what their average starting salary info is?

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Re: Top Plaintiffs' Firms?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:59 pm

Other than Cohen Milstein, has anyone heard of other plaintiff's firms doing interviews through mass mailing?

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Re: Top Plaintiffs' Firms?

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Anonymous User wrote:Motley Rice is doing CB's next week.

Googling was a bit spotty, but you wouldn't know what their average starting salary info is?


Confirmation that they did callbacks already? I interviewed and really wanted a position with them, but I am losing hope.

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Re: Top Plaintiffs' Firms?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:13 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Motley Rice is doing CB's next week.

Googling was a bit spotty, but you wouldn't know what their average starting salary info is?


Confirmation that they did callbacks already? I interviewed and really wanted a position with them, but I am losing hope.

To the best of my knowledge, they did three days of callbacks and that was it.

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Re: Top Plaintiffs' Firms?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:22 am

Anonymous User wrote:
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Anonymous User wrote:Motley Rice is doing CB's next week.

Googling was a bit spotty, but you wouldn't know what their average starting salary info is?


Confirmation that they did callbacks already? I interviewed and really wanted a position with them, but I am losing hope.

To the best of my knowledge, they did three days of callbacks and that was it.


Has anyone who had a CB heard back yet?

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Re: Top Plaintiffs' Firms?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:02 pm

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Has anyone who had a CB heard back yet?

I've heard nothing. Assuming I was dinged at this point.

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Re: Top Plaintiffs' Firms?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:08 pm

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Has anyone who had a CB heard back yet?

I've heard nothing. Assuming I was dinged at this point.


I wouldn't be so quick to assume that. I had several partners tell me they often take a really long time to make decisions because members of the recruiting committee travel a lot. Also, they just did the last round of CBs on September 23rd.

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Re: Top Plaintiffs' Firms?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:49 pm

Anyone hear anything from MR yet?

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Re: Top Plaintiffs' Firms?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:05 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone hear anything from MR yet?

Contact said their offers have gone out and that they're waiting to hear back before rejecting the rest of us.

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Re: Top Plaintiffs' Firms?

Postby Reprisal » Sun Nov 13, 2011 2:10 am

minnbills wrote:What's the recruitment process like for these firms? Are they more selective than most biglaw firms?

Would love to get some more info



Cohen Milstein, Leiff Cabraser, Motley Rice, and a couple others are the exceptions, rather than the rule, to have any summer program process at all. Robbins Geller just has an email link to their hiring partner. In general, there is no formal process.

If you want a job, gotta show you know their game.

Take a Complex Civil Litigation course or Advanced Civil Procedure if your school offers it and also Pre-Trial Practice. 95% of what a plaintiff firm does is defeat Motions to Dismiss and Motions for Summary Judgment before settling their case. Plaintiff firms like to see good Civ Pro grades.

Study up on multi-district litigation and class action; this is where a Complex Civil Litigation course is key. Unfortunately, not many schools offer one; I got lucky, a T20 school within my reach offered one and I transfered to takek the course (crazy!? crazy like a foxx).

Some demonstration of plaintiff orientation helps. Most plaintiff partners are Left-leaning and anti-hierarchy, they fight for the mythical little guy. Internships and work experience that show a preference for equity can help. However, I think this sort of thing comes out in interviews: either you seem like a plaintiff attorney, or you don't. If you're just some Biglaw shill trying to switch sides to cash in, it'll be obvious to them and they prob won't like the fit. If you're a Biglaw convert, they'll love you.

In terms of process:

For PI firms and other general plaintiff practices, just ask around in your market. There will be 3-15 firms that everyone knows about and fears/loves. Inquire about their individual hiring practices. Some hire summer associates, apply as appropriate and then follow up.

Many do not hire summer associates. Instead, you have to build relationships with the partners. Ask to attend a lunch; if they say yes read up on a couple of their current cases or filed briefs and then talk shop with them for an hour over lunch. If it goes well, they'll ask to stay in touch; maybe have you back for a deposition or a tour of the office or something. Maintain contact, maybe get an interview if they offer, maybe work for them part-time during the school year, and hope they're interested in you when you graduate. If nothing else, you'll have a good law school mentor and reference.

For class action firms, go to the JPML website. Check out some MDL cases that interest you. Get a PACER account from someone. Look up the MDL cases there. Check the Case Conference Orders appointing Class Counsel. See which firms are getting appointed Class Counsel. Then check those firms' websites. Most do not have 2L summer programs advertised. Many don't even have a careers tab. These are small shops packed with dense talent. Send the named partners or a named hiring attorney (super rare to have a named hiring attorney) your re'sume', letter, transcript, and current courses.

I sent stuff to Hagens Berman, Kozyak Tropin, Wolf Haldenstein, Wexler Wallace, and Zwerling Schachter.
Hagens and Kozyak were shocked to have received applications and told me they'd consider my application in the Spring of 2012. The rest didn't respond, not too surprising since I had no real connection to their markets or practice. But it was a start. I ended up getting flown to California to talk with a firm, it went well, and I got an offer.

A couple guys in my Complex Lit class have done the same thing and gotten flown places for interviews. Not sure what their success rate has been. Two other friends from that same class got defensive class action jobs based on a somewhat similar process.

FYI, my list looked like this:

a. Milberg [Weis] Group
b. Cohen Milstein Sellers & Toll
c. Leiff Cabraser Heimann & Bernstein
d. Finkelstein, Thompson & Zwerling
e. Shachter & Zwerling
f. Kozyak Tropin & Throckmorton
g. Hagens Berman Sobol Shapiro
h. Bartimus Frickleton Robertson & Gorny
i. Wolf Haldenstein Adler Freeman & Herz
j. Motley Rice
k. Doffermyre Shields Canfield Knowles & Devine
l. Whatley Drake & Kallas
m. Robbins Geller Rudman & Dowd
n. Korein Tillery
o. Gray Ritter & Graham
p. Simon Passanante
q. Dyer & Berens

but there are many more. Check the NLJ Plaintiff Hotlist for a host of others.

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Re: Top Plaintiffs' Firms?

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:59 pm

what constitutes plaintiff's firms?
are boies shchiller and quinn emanuel plaintiff's firms since they represent plaintiffs filing suits against banks?

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Re: Top Plaintiffs' Firms?

Postby Holly Golightly » Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:28 pm

I would like to echo what Reprisal said, and also add a little of what I know from my own experience.

Reprisal is absolutely right that demonstrating an interest in plaintiff's-side work is important. This isn't really like biglaw hiring, where you can write a very generic cover letter - they want people who want to do that type of work.

Secondly, connections are everything. These firms exist in a very small and insular world, and everyone knows each other. Even if you summer at a firm that won't necessarily hire you when you graduate, having a good reference from them may do a lot to helping you secure a job later.

From what I can tell, even a lot of the firms that actually do have summer programs don't necessarily hire their summers when they graduate. Cohen Milstein, for example, is very open about the fact that they don't guarantee offers. From my experience, because a lot of these firms are smaller, they are much more likely to take lateral associates than people straight from law school.

These firms also hire later than bigger firms. They're small, and don't know their needs a year in advance. If you apply early, absolutely make sure to be persistent and follow up (although not too frequently - make sure to toe the line between persistent and annoying).

Finally, don't expect to be wined and dined the way you would by a big firm. I'm actually surprised Reprisal was flown out for a callback - in my experience, most plaintiff's firms won't do that. I had mostly phone interviews, and one video interview "callback."

It can be hard to get a job in a plaintiff's firm right out of school, but if you think it's something you might be interested in, definitely look into it. I personally think there are a lot of advantages to working in this field, and I would be happy to answer any other questions people may have.

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Re: Top Plaintiffs' Firms?

Postby Reprisal » Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:30 pm

Holly Golightly wrote:and also add a little of what I know from my own experience.


Wisdom.


2Ls currently looking, do not give up hope. Plaintiff firms are smaller so don't dedicate as much time or resources to summer searches, and they make their summer decisions later.

There is still time for you to email/send letters and build relationships in anticipation for next summer...but don't slack. If you're serious start the process now.

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Re: Top Plaintiffs' Firms?

Postby IAFG » Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:01 am

Reprisal wrote:
Holly Golightly wrote:and also add a little of what I know from my own experience.


Wisdom.


2Ls currently looking, do not give up hope. Plaintiff firms are smaller so don't dedicate as much time or resources to summer searches, and they make their summer decisions later.

There is still time for you to email/send letters and build relationships in anticipation for next summer...but don't slack. If you're serious start the process now.

Can I ask what sort of extracurriculars/experiences 2Ls should highlight?

I'm not looking for something for next summer, but if I were, I wouldn't know where to begin to know how to start tailoring a cover letter to a Plaintiffs firm, or which extracurriculars/courses/interests to mention.

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Re: Top Plaintiffs' Firms?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:25 am

reasonable_man wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I interviewed at Labaton. Avoid that place like the plague. It's doc review hell.



Yea... But they make bank...


anyone know how much a new or summer associate makes here.

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Re: Top Plaintiffs' Firms?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:33 am

I think I read that Robbins Geller makes around 85k.

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Re: Top Plaintiffs' Firms?

Postby Holly Golightly » Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:33 pm

IAFG wrote:Can I ask what sort of extracurriculars/experiences 2Ls should highlight?

I'm not looking for something for next summer, but if I were, I wouldn't know where to begin to know how to start tailoring a cover letter to a Plaintiffs firm, or which extracurriculars/courses/interests to mention.

For me it was easier to show my interest because I had a background with a plaintiff's firm and civil government agency, but I think that any way you can show an interest in this particular field would be helpful. Things off the top of my head that I can think of are: civil litigation practicum courses or clinics, anything involving discovery, anything involving complex litigation or class actions, anything involving settlements, civil procedure-type classes (particularly what you've taken in addition to required 1L courses), or even something that shows you might have a PI side to you (i.e., criminal defense is procedurally completely different, but still fairly like-minded). The plaintiff's attorneys I know really care about what they do, and it's important to them that applicants believe in that.

Even if you don't have a lot of these, I think a tailored cover letter expressing your interest and pointing to something that shows you're interested in doing plaintiff's-side work could go a long way. Or if you previously did biglaw/work on the defense side, I think that talking about how that made you realize you would rather be on the other side could possibly do the trick.

It's really kind of a gamble, and I'm sure each firm is different, but that is my $.02.

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Re: Top Plaintiffs' Firms?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:31 pm

85K starting for labaton surprises me. So many of their associates are ex-biglaw, they have to be paying them alot.

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Re: Top Plaintiffs' Firms?

Postby Reprisal » Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:59 pm

As far as I can tell, plaintiff firms follow a mid-size NALP pay progression for associates. If that's wrong, I'd love to hear about it.

The payoff comes from partner level positions that gross 3-7x than Biglaw partners pull down.

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Re: Top Plaintiffs' Firms?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:34 pm

what do people think about small plaintiffs firms? potential offer not sure of pay yet at a really small firm. not all attorneys are posted on website but i think like 5-7 work there. something like this... Schoengold & Sporn




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