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Re: 1L SA Chances

Postby dood » Thu Sep 30, 2010 12:53 am

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Re: 1L SA Chances

Postby bk1 » Thu Sep 30, 2010 12:43 pm

Rand M. wrote:
bk1 wrote:There are diversity fellowships for URM's outside of SEO?


SEO is a 0L thing. There a lot of diversity programs that aim specifically at 1Ls.


Good to know. I understand that it is 0L, when I mentioned SEO it is was in reference to their 1L clerkship thing.

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Re: 1L SA Chances

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:09 pm

I'm the guy that posted earlier (1L at Columbia/NYU (don't want to specify). Black male. Want to work at a firm in NYC this summer). Does anyone know any firms off the top of their heads that look to hire minority 1Ls?

Also, if you're hired as a 1L is it likely the firm will give you an offer for your 2L summer?

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Re: 1L SA Chances

Postby RVP11 » Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:30 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I'm the guy that posted earlier (1L at Columbia/NYU (don't want to specify). Black male. Want to work at a firm in NYC this summer). Does anyone know any firms off the top of their heads that look to hire minority 1Ls?


How will anything we say change your future actions?

Just apply to them all, man. Use NALP and spam away.

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Re: 1L SA Chances

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:42 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I'm the guy that posted earlier (1L at Columbia/NYU (don't want to specify). Black male. Want to work at a firm in NYC this summer). Does anyone know any firms off the top of their heads that look to hire minority 1Ls?

Also, if you're hired as a 1L is it likely the firm will give you an offer for your 2L summer?


I don't know about NYC, but in Texas it is very common for 1L SAs to be given a 2L offer.

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Re: 1L SA Chances

Postby JJDancer » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:02 pm

I'm an 0L so forgive me if this is a stupid question but are the diversity/minority programs available to 1Ls via firms only applicable to URMs or minorities in a broader sense?

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Re: 1L SA Chances

Postby bk1 » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:31 pm

As SEO is open to all minorities, I would assume diversity programs are as well though I could be wrong.

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Re: 1L SA Chances

Postby Stanford4Me » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:45 pm

romothesavior wrote:
dood wrote:PSA for all URMs: TALK TO UR CDO NOW. id estimate at least 20-30 1L SA + schollys from big firms u can apply to, prolly alot more. dunno about ur school, GW has a special diversity career counselor that sends all this info out.

second of all, even non-urm 1L have chances. whoever the fuck said NALP was not helpful obviously never looked at NALP.....u can search by what firms higher 1L SAs...


PSA: Aside from NALP being helpful, they also have guidelines. Your CSO/CDO is not allowed to give advice until November, so do not TALK TO THEM NOW.

No dood. You got to ignore the authorities. Do wut you got to do, even if that includes reminding yourself in the mirror, every day, that you don't want to be just a good lawyer, you want to be a great litigator.

I'm thinking about applying for some diversity fellowships for my 1L summer. Weighing that against the option of doing public interest work internationally (which is really appealing to me).

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Re: 1L SA Chances

Postby Stanford4Me » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:47 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I'm the guy that posted earlier (1L at Columbia/NYU (don't want to specify). Black male. Want to work at a firm in NYC this summer). Does anyone know any firms off the top of their heads that look to hire minority 1Ls?

Also, if you're hired as a 1L is it likely the firm will give you an offer for your 2L summer?


I don't know about NYC, but in Texas it is very common for 1L SAs to be given a 2L offer.

That almost brought tears to my eyes. Good to know.

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Re: 1L SA Chances

Postby bmwhype2 » Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:26 am

romothesavior wrote:
dood wrote:PSA for all URMs: TALK TO UR CDO NOW. id estimate at least 20-30 1L SA + schollys from big firms u can apply to, prolly alot more. dunno about ur school, GW has a special diversity career counselor that sends all this info out.

second of all, even non-urm 1L have chances. whoever the fuck said NALP was not helpful obviously never looked at NALP.....u can search by what firms higher 1L SAs...


PSA: Aside from NALP being helpful, they also have guidelines. Your CSO/CDO is not allowed to give advice until November, so do not TALK TO THEM NOW.


Why is that? IS it for all schools? (0L asking here)

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Re: 1L SA Chances

Postby JJDancer » Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:42 am

bmwhype2 wrote:
romothesavior wrote:
dood wrote:PSA for all URMs: TALK TO UR CDO NOW. id estimate at least 20-30 1L SA + schollys from big firms u can apply to, prolly alot more. dunno about ur school, GW has a special diversity career counselor that sends all this info out.

second of all, even non-urm 1L have chances. whoever the fuck said NALP was not helpful obviously never looked at NALP.....u can search by what firms higher 1L SAs...


PSA: Aside from NALP being helpful, they also have guidelines. Your CSO/CDO is not allowed to give advice until November, so do not TALK TO THEM NOW.


Why is that? IS it for all schools? (0L asking here)


It refers to your school's career services office.
EDIT: Read "why" as "What" :oops: oops.
Stanford answered it though.
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Re: 1L SA Chances

Postby Stanford4Me » Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:52 pm

bmwhype2 wrote:
Why is that? IS it for all schools? (0L asking here)

NALP rule. They want 1Ls to focus on grades and not jobs. Then they tell you that grades don't matter as much as we think they do :roll:

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Re: 1L SA Chances

Postby concurrent fork » Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:56 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Work experience URM/minority status is the most important factor for getting a 1L SA.


Anonymous User wrote:It's always a crapshoot, but I think you stand a damn fine chance of getting a position.

I don't think I would characterize anyone as having a "damn fine chance" of getting a 1L SA gig, nevermind the fact that OP is a non-URM (I assume) at a T30. What market have you been living in for the past 3 years?

Edit: just realized this thread was from 3 months ago...

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Re: 1L SA Chances

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Dec 06, 2010 8:51 pm

Doesn't Wachtell have a diversity program?

If you want to work as a 1L SA apply to Houston. I'm a 2L at Columbia and I know of at least 4 people who worked there 1L summer. All were from TX.

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Re: 1L SA Chances

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:12 pm

I know the following firms hired 1L summers from my school last year:

Wachtell
S&C (an office in California, I think)
Weil (NYC, I think)
Kirkland (NYC)
Paul, Weiss (NYC)
Ropes & Gray (NYC)
Milbank (NYC)

That's all I know. The SA's were mostly URM's. The few non-URM's were people with high GPA's and i-banking background. And yes, one of the non-URM's is an Olympic gold medalist.

Edited to add Milbank.
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Re: 1L SA Chances

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:34 pm

You can add Milbank to that list, but I'm not sure if non-olympians qualify: http://abovethelaw.com/2010/08/summer-a ... e-of-wine/

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Re: 1L SA Chances

Postby JJDancer » Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:41 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I know the following firms hired 1L summers from my school last year:

Wachtell
S&C (an office in California, I think)
Weil (NYC, I think)
Kirkland (NYC)
Paul, Weiss (NYC)
Ropes & Gray (NYC)

That's all I know. The SA's were mostly URM's. The few non-URM's were people with high GPA's and i-banking background.

Do you mind PMing me your school or at least its approximate ranking?
Thanks.

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Re: 1L SA Chances

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:45 pm

Anonymous User wrote:You can add Milbank to that list, but I'm not sure if non-olympians qualify: http://abovethelaw.com/2010/08/summer-a ... e-of-wine/


Oh yeah. I forgot about her.

JJDancer wrote:Do you mind PMing me your school or at least its approximate ranking?
Thanks.


(In light of the abovethelaw post) I might as well reveal the school: Columbia.

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Re: 1L SA Chances

Postby Kohinoor » Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:55 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I know the following firms hired 1L summers from my school last year:

Wachtell
S&C (an office in California, I think)
Weil (NYC, I think)
Kirkland (NYC)
Paul, Weiss (NYC)
Ropes & Gray (NYC)
Milbank (NYC)

That's all I know. The SA's were mostly URM's. The few non-URM's were people with high GPA's and i-banking background. And yes, one of the non-URM's is an Olympic gold medalist.

Edited to add Milbank.
I know a few more firms and at least one of them picked up a non-URM, non-IB.

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Re: 1L SA Chances

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:44 pm

Quick question:

Got a snail-mail rejection letter from a firm (well, a "we're not hiring 1Ls" letter). But in it the recruiting coordinator gave me a phone number and asked me to call her to talk about the firm and "answer any questions about us you might have". It ended with a handwritten "we hope you'll seriously consider applying with us next year."

Doesn't seem like a form letter (in fact, felt a little like law school apps again), but I'm not sure if this is something that normally happens. I very much like the firm; it's one of my top 2-3 choices in a medium-sized market to which I have ties. Thoughts?

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Re: 1L SA Chances

Postby 09042014 » Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:21 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Quick question:

Got a snail-mail rejection letter from a firm (well, a "we're not hiring 1Ls" letter). But in it the recruiting coordinator gave me a phone number and asked me to call her to talk about the firm and "answer any questions about us you might have". It ended with a handwritten "we hope you'll seriously consider applying with us next year."

Doesn't seem like a form letter (in fact, felt a little like law school apps again), but I'm not sure if this is something that normally happens. I very much like the firm; it's one of my top 2-3 choices in a medium-sized market to which I have ties. Thoughts?


"Call her to talk about the firm and 'answer any questions about us you might have'" and then "applying with [them] next year."

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Re: 1L SA Chances

Postby 2LLLL » Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:33 pm

Sounds like she is basically inviting you to set up an informational interview. I would recommend doing it.

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Re: 1L SA Chances

Postby warumnicht » Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:36 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Quick question:

Got a snail-mail rejection letter from a firm (well, a "we're not hiring 1Ls" letter). But in it the recruiting coordinator gave me a phone number and asked me to call her to talk about the firm and "answer any questions about us you might have". It ended with a handwritten "we hope you'll seriously consider applying with us next year."

Doesn't seem like a form letter (in fact, felt a little like law school apps again), but I'm not sure if this is something that normally happens. I very much like the firm; it's one of my top 2-3 choices in a medium-sized market to which I have ties. Thoughts?


Unless the recruiting coordinator said something else, this is very much a form letter.

However, if you really like the firm, you should call and chat with her. When you apply next year, you'll be better informed about it and already have a connection, so you'll have a much better shot at a) drafting a great targeted cover letter if they are not coming to OCI ("I was delighted to discuss your real estate practice with you in January, and that confirmed my desire to work for your firm as a summer associate") and b) acing your interview because you'll have more to talk about. Do it!

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Re: 1L SA Chances

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:20 pm

warumnicht wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Quick question:

Got a snail-mail rejection letter from a firm (well, a "we're not hiring 1Ls" letter). But in it the recruiting coordinator gave me a phone number and asked me to call her to talk about the firm and "answer any questions about us you might have". It ended with a handwritten "we hope you'll seriously consider applying with us next year."

Doesn't seem like a form letter (in fact, felt a little like law school apps again), but I'm not sure if this is something that normally happens. I very much like the firm; it's one of my top 2-3 choices in a medium-sized market to which I have ties. Thoughts?


Unless the recruiting coordinator said something else, this is very much a form letter.

However, if you really like the firm, you should call and chat with her. When you apply next year, you'll be better informed about it and already have a connection, so you'll have a much better shot at a) drafting a great targeted cover letter if they are not coming to OCI ("I was delighted to discuss your real estate practice with you in January, and that confirmed my desire to work for your firm as a summer associate") and b) acing your interview because you'll have more to talk about. Do it!


Agree. Pre-interview meetings are helpful because it shows you are interested and gives you something to talk about in an interview. As much as people make fun of networking it is useful in certain circumstances. I got my summer position at a big firm through OCI, but had met with a partner at the firm 2 weeks before and it certainly didn't hurt my chances.

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Re: 1L SA Chances

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:37 pm

Does Big4 hire 1Ls for summer internships?

I tried looking them up on the NALP directory and also their respective websites and could not find anything




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