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Re: DOJ SLIP 2010

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:19 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Since Civil Division doesn't do interviews, do they tend to decide earlier than other divisions? Since they've apparently chosen their finalists (or maybe they haven't chosen all of them...) what's keeping them from announcing their selections sooner than mid-November?


They don't? Is this a historical fact? If so, I'm curious what the point of an intermediate status update between "Selected for Further Consideration" and an actual offer is.

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Re: DOJ SLIP 2010

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:53 pm

still at 'application received by doj.' waiting on civil division (first choice). anyone else in the same boat/have any insight? i have other offers and second round interviews. just need to know where i stand here. pending rejection?

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Re: DOJ SLIP 2010

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:56 am

All of Civil Division has chosen their finalists.

Source: I called the ARC for Civil Division (Theresa Tenaglia) and she informed me that Civil Division is completely done choosing finalists. If your status on the Avue site isn't updated to "Finalist," you're out for them.

Anonymous User wrote:still at 'application received by doj.' waiting on civil division (first choice). anyone else in the same boat/have any insight? i have other offers and second round interviews. just need to know where i stand here. pending rejection?

At least for Civil Division, as you progress in the selection process, your status will update from "Application received to DOJ" to "Application referred to components" to "Selected for further consideration" to "Finalist."

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Re: DOJ SLIP 2010

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:21 am

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Anonymous User wrote:Since Civil Division doesn't do interviews, do they tend to decide earlier than other divisions? Since they've apparently chosen their finalists (or maybe they haven't chosen all of them...) what's keeping them from announcing their selections sooner than mid-November?


They don't? Is this a historical fact? If so, I'm curious what the point of an intermediate status update between "Selected for Further Consideration" and an actual offer is.


I, too, would be curious about this. I found it really hard to piece together whether or not Civil Division conducted SLIP interviews from previous years' threads and, even within Civil Division, I got some sense that it varied depending on what branch you were being considered by (since they only notified finalists which DIVISION they were being considered by, but not which sub-branch).

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Re: DOJ SLIP 2010

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:34 am

anyone know if this is the case for antitrust? has anyone in antitrust changed to finalist?

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Re: DOJ SLIP 2010

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:54 am

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Anonymous User wrote:Since Civil Division doesn't do interviews, do they tend to decide earlier than other divisions? Since they've apparently chosen their finalists (or maybe they haven't chosen all of them...) what's keeping them from announcing their selections sooner than mid-November?


They don't? Is this a historical fact? If so, I'm curious what the point of an intermediate status update between "Selected for Further Consideration" and an actual offer is.



My school posts a memo on prior years SLIP information from chosen students, last year, according to the data collected, the Civil division conducted phone interviews.

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Re: DOJ SLIP 2010

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:16 pm

Anonymous User wrote:anyone know if this is the case for antitrust? has anyone in antitrust changed to finalist?


No change here. But I did have an interview. And I had the interview before anyone's status began to change to finalist for any component, so I wouldn't be surprised if antitrust did things differently. All of the reports of "finalist" we've had in this thread so far have been exclusive to Civil Division.

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Re: DOJ SLIP 2010

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:26 pm

I'm going to try and compile info. in this thread for tlsers who go through the application process in the future.

Let me know if what I have so far is incomplete or incorrect.

Status Change Progression:

Application Received-Referred to Components-Selected for Further Consideration-Finalist* (Appears to be exclusive to civil)

What happens when you make it to "Selected for Further Consideration" Stage:

Tax: Interview, Writing Sample, Checks References, Selects Approx 40 finalists
BOP: Two interviews
Immigration: No interview, Asks for writing sample, unofficial transcript, and location preference sheet at “referred to components” stage
Antitrust: Transcript, Writing Sample, Interview
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Re: DOJ SLIP 2010

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:28 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I'm going to try and compile info. in this thread for tlsers who go through the application process in the future.

Let me know if what I have so far is incomplete or incorrect.

Status Change Progression:

Application Received-Referred to Components-Selected for Further Consideration-Finalist

What happens when you make it to "Selected for Further Consideration" Stage:

Tax: Interview, Checks References
BOP: Two interviews
Immigration: No interview, Asks for writing sample at “referred to components” stage
Antitrust: Interview


Antitrust asks you to submit a transcript and writing sample before you have your interview. Also, I think, until we have evidence from other components, you should put a * next to the "finalist" phase since at the moment it seems to be exclusive to Civil.

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Re: DOJ SLIP 2010

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:40 pm

Thanks! I'll keep updating the post with the new info.

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Re: DOJ SLIP 2010

Postby Danteshek » Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:30 pm

Tax requested my writing sample. We talked about it for 15 minutes during my interview.

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Re: DOJ SLIP 2010

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:50 pm

Danteshek wrote:Tax requested my writing sample. We talked about it for 15 minutes during my interview.


Has your status changed from "selected for further consideration"? You seem to be the one outside of Civil Division in this thread that is furthest along, so to speak. Be interested to know if the finalist thing applies to other components too.

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Re: DOJ SLIP 2010

Postby Danteshek » Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:20 pm

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Danteshek wrote:Tax requested my writing sample. We talked about it for 15 minutes during my interview.


Has your status changed from "selected for further consideration"? You seem to be the one outside of Civil Division in this thread that is furthest along, so to speak. Be interested to know if the finalist thing applies to other components too.


No.

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Re: DOJ SLIP 2010

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:24 pm

Anyone have a sense of how many people in their division got "selected for further consideration" vs. the amount of people that are going to be ultimately selected

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Re: DOJ SLIP 2010

Postby Danteshek » Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:31 pm

Tax Division is interviewing 3-4 people for every position

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Re: DOJ SLIP 2010

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:33 pm

Danteshek wrote:Tax Division is interviewing 3-4 people for every position


So it looks like there are about 40 Tax finalists...Good job!

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Re: DOJ SLIP 2010

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:41 pm

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Danteshek wrote:Tax Division is interviewing 3-4 people for every position


So it looks like there are about 40 Tax finalists...Good job!


wow damn that s a lot of people! Tough competition!

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Re: DOJ SLIP 2010

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:44 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone have a sense of how many people in their division got "selected for further consideration" vs. the amount of people that are going to be ultimately selected


No definite answer, but the Non-DC antitrust office I was interviewing with characterized the pool as "very small"

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Re: DOJ SLIP 2010

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:23 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:
Danteshek wrote:Tax Division is interviewing 3-4 people for every position


So it looks like there are about 40 Tax finalists...Good job!


wow damn that s a lot of people! Tough competition!


That actually seems like a small pool to me, considering how many applicants they probably had

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Re: DOJ SLIP 2010

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:54 am

Something that's been on my mind lately. Why is it that sometimes offers are extended through December for parts of SLIP? Do people actually accept these interviews even though they know they can't accept an offer? Or do they accept an offer while waiting to hear and then have to decline if they DOJ calls them?

It's all so mysterious...

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Re: DOJ SLIP 2010

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:06 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Something that's been on my mind lately. Why is it that sometimes offers are extended through December for parts of SLIP? Do people actually accept these interviews even though they know they can't accept an offer? Or do they accept an offer while waiting to hear and then have to decline if they DOJ calls them?

It's all so mysterious...


My guess is that it comes from the requirement that DoJ give the offeree a set period of time to accept or refuse. I can't remember the exact length of time, but in that period, the applicant might follow up with other potential offers, etc. and might not get back to DoJ right away. If DoJ offers and the offeree doesn't immediately accept, DoJ can't give that offer to someone else until the acceptance window closes. That might explain the lengthy delay. Bear in mind, also, that more than one person might turn the offer down. If that's the case, and they each have a week or two to decide on the offer, it could easily roll from November into December before someone hears about an offer.

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Re: DOJ SLIP 2010

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:38 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Something that's been on my mind lately. Why is it that sometimes offers are extended through December for parts of SLIP? Do people actually accept these interviews even though they know they can't accept an offer? Or do they accept an offer while waiting to hear and then have to decline if they DOJ calls them?

It's all so mysterious...

Some people may accept an interview, and then by the time they get an offer, accept at a law firm that doesn't allow them to split. Then the DOJ would have to go to backups, who may also have trouble working out split arrangements by then. I made sure the offer at my firm would allow me to split before accepting, because I want to split between the two if possible.

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Re: DOJ SLIP 2010

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:40 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Something that's been on my mind lately. Why is it that sometimes offers are extended through December for parts of SLIP? Do people actually accept these interviews even though they know they can't accept an offer? Or do they accept an offer while waiting to hear and then have to decline if they DOJ calls them?

It's all so mysterious...


My guess is that it comes from the requirement that DoJ give the offeree a set period of time to accept or refuse. I can't remember the exact length of time, but in that period, the applicant might follow up with other potential offers, etc. and might not get back to DoJ right away. If DoJ offers and the offeree doesn't immediately accept, DoJ can't give that offer to someone else until the acceptance window closes. That might explain the lengthy delay. Bear in mind, also, that more than one person might turn the offer down. If that's the case, and they each have a week or two to decide on the offer, it could easily roll from November into December before someone hears about an offer.


DOJ follows NALP rules as far as I'm aware, so it's the standard 28 day window. I guess it's more the question of the people who turn it down for me. By now, many people who got firm offers have accepted them. Many public interest / government people are still looking for jobs, but that's because it's just the start of our season, really. So I guess what I don't get is, why are some people turning down DOJ even after accepting an interview with them? It seems like it would be odd to suddenly get an offer in this interim period given that it's so late in the season, and since most PI/Gov people don't have jobs elsewhere yet...

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Re: DOJ SLIP 2010

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:49 pm

Anonymous User wrote:So I guess what I don't get is, why are some people turning down DOJ even after accepting an interview with them? It seems like it would be odd to suddenly get an offer in this interim period given that it's so late in the season, and since most PI/Gov people don't have jobs elsewhere yet...

Harvard's flyback week is kind of late, in the third week of September. Some of us got firm offers that are expiring this week or next, and while we were holding out to hear back from DOJ, our accept deadline is making us choose now.

And I think some of us are afraid to use that April 1 NALP rule to hold a firm offer open. What student even at Harvard wants to tell a firm ITE that they're just a backup option?

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Re: DOJ SLIP 2010

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:51 pm

DOJ follows NALP rules as far as I'm aware, so it's the standard 28 day window.


They gave me a lot more time than that.




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