NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:28 pm

Anonymous User wrote:V5 in secondary market


So Skadden?

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:44 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:V5 in secondary market


So Skadden?


Or DPW... or S&C...

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:01 am

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Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:V5 in secondary market


So Skadden?


Or DPW... or S&C...


Either way, it was probably a fluke. At my NY school, satellite offices of V5 (e.g. DPW DC/Menlo Park, SullCrom DC/LA, Skadden DC/Chicago/LA/Boston) tended to be extremely selective - in Skadden's case, much more selective than the NY office.

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:06 am

Either way, it was probably a fluke. At my NY school, satellite offices of V5 (e.g. DPW DC/Menlo Park, SullCrom DC/LA, Skadden DC/Chicago/LA/Boston) tended to be extremely selective - in Skadden's case, much more selective than the NY office.


Probably because the summer classes at those offices are probably going to be tiny when compared to the summer classes of their home offices. Just a guess.

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:07 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Either way, it was probably a fluke. At my NY school, satellite offices of V5 (e.g. DPW DC/Menlo Park, SullCrom DC/LA, Skadden DC/Chicago/LA/Boston) tended to be extremely selective - in Skadden's case, much more selective than the NY office.


Probably because the summer classes at those offices are probably going to be tiny when compared to the summer classes of their home offices. Just a guess.


Exactly right. Some of those offices didn't even hand out 1 offer.

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:33 am

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Anonymous User wrote:V5 in secondary market


So Skadden?


Or DPW... or S&C...


Silicon Valley is a secondary market? That's news to me.

SF/SV is generally recognized on TLS as a single, primary market.

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:11 am

Silicon Valley is a secondary market? That's news to me.

SF/SV is generally recognized on TLS as a single, primary market.


So TLS is suddenly determinative of what primary and secondary markets are?

In the legal circle (at least the one I frequent, as I work in it, though I admit it could be different in other legal circles), "The Bay Area" is not a primary market.

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby 12262010 » Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:19 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Silicon Valley is a secondary market? That's news to me.

SF/SV is generally recognized on TLS as a single, primary market.


So TLS is suddenly determinative of what primary and secondary markets are?

In the legal circle (at least the one I frequent, as I work in it, though I admit it could be different in other legal circles), "The Bay Area" is not a primary market.


No, TLS is determinative of what is recognized as a primary market on TLS.

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:16 pm

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Silicon Valley is a secondary market? That's news to me.

SF/SV is generally recognized on TLS as a single, primary market.


So TLS is suddenly determinative of what primary and secondary markets are?

In the legal circle (at least the one I frequent, as I work in it, though I admit it could be different in other legal circles), "The Bay Area" is not a primary market.


TLS recognizes five primary markets: NY, DC, Chicago, LA, Bay Area.

I know it's circular reasoning, but it would seem odd to deem a market that has so many V25ish main offices (MoFo, WSGR, etc.) and satellite offices (DPW, S&C, STB, etc.) a "secondary" market. Boston, Philadelphia Dallas, Houston, or Atlanta - the biggest secondary markets - don't have even close to the same caliber of firms.

Also, the Bay Area is a larger market than LA. Do you therefore consider LA a secondary market, too?

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:34 pm

Oh. My. God. Am I speaking with THE TLS!?!?!?! The honor!

More seriously, your own source seems to disagree with you. See for example:
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=130690

I'm boggled as to why I'm perpetuating this pointless debate, so I'll just stop.

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby Veyron » Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:58 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Silicon Valley is a secondary market? That's news to me.

SF/SV is generally recognized on TLS as a single, primary market.


So TLS is suddenly determinative of what primary and secondary markets are?

In the legal circle (at least the one I frequent, as I work in it, though I admit it could be different in other legal circles), "The Bay Area" is not a primary market.


TLS recognizes five primary markets: NY, DC, Chicago, LA, Bay Area.

I know it's circular reasoning, but it would seem odd to deem a market that has so many V25ish main offices (MoFo, WSGR, etc.) and satellite offices (DPW, S&C, STB, etc.) a "secondary" market. Boston, Philadelphia Dallas, Houston, or Atlanta - the biggest secondary markets - don't have even close to the same caliber of firms.

Also, the Bay Area is a larger market than LA. Do you therefore consider LA a secondary market, too?


LOL, no. TLS primary markets NY DC CHI LA. Bay area has nowhere near enough legal jobs to be in that leage. They form a 2nd rank with Boston, Charlotte, Hotlanta and the like.
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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby wiseowl » Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:03 pm

Once again, a page of a useful thread has been wasted on stupid drivel.

Clearly whoever posted above meant secondary office for that particular firm, whether or not it's in a "secondary market". If you think DPW Menlo or Skadden Wilmington are anywhere near as important to that firm as NY, I have a bridge over the East River to sell you.

Also, as we've discussed previously, EVERY market other than NY is a secondary market ITE. When NY has multiples more associate positions available than any other city, who cares about the others? DC is 1A, then Chicago/LA/SF.

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Postby RVP11 » Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:18 pm

Veyron wrote:LOL, no. TLS primary markets NY DC CHI LA. Bay area has nowhere near enough legal jobs to be in that leauge. They form a 2nd rank with Boston, Charlotte, and the like.


There are more lawyers in the Bay Area than in LA. And Charlotte is a TINY market compared to the others discussed.
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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby Veyron » Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:19 pm

RVP11 wrote:
Veyron wrote:LOL, no. TLS primary markets NY DC CHI LA. Bay area has nowhere near enough legal jobs to be in that leauge. They form a 2nd rank with Boston, Charlotte, and the like.


There are more lawyers in the Bay Area than in LA.


Not than in the LA area, not moar biglaw hiring in general.

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby RVP11 » Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:20 pm

Veyron wrote:
RVP11 wrote:
Veyron wrote:LOL, no. TLS primary markets NY DC CHI LA. Bay area has nowhere near enough legal jobs to be in that leauge. They form a 2nd rank with Boston, Charlotte, and the like.


There are more lawyers in the Bay Area than in LA.


Not than in the LA area, not moar biglaw hiring in general.


LA area including Orange County?

There are good reasons for separating the LA and OC markets and a lot fewer for separating SF and rest of the Bay Area.

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby UnTouChablE » Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:29 pm

No I guess hiring is finished. What are things looking like for CCN (Chicago) Students? percentage wise.

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby thegor1987 » Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:46 pm

Anonymous User wrote:School range: MVPB
Market(s): California (SD, LA, and bay area)
Approx. class rank: Bottom third
Law review: No
Work experience: Yes
IP background: Yes
Anything else that might have an impact?: Lots of IP involvement at school, patent agent
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 8. I am generally a shy person, but can adjust based on whether I am dealing with nervous male engineers or more of the standard litigator types.
Screening Interviews: 36
Mass mails: None
Callbacks received: 8
Callbacks accepted: 8
Offers w/vault ranges: 7 (2 vault-ranked IP boutiques, another IP boutique, 2 in 20-30, 1 in the 50s, 1 large regional techy firm)


What schools are MVP, MVPB?

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby Veyron » Fri Nov 12, 2010 6:09 pm

thegor1987 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:School range: MVPB
Market(s): California (SD, LA, and bay area)
Approx. class rank: Bottom third
Law review: No
Work experience: Yes
IP background: Yes
Anything else that might have an impact?: Lots of IP involvement at school, patent agent
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 8. I am generally a shy person, but can adjust based on whether I am dealing with nervous male engineers or more of the standard litigator types.
Screening Interviews: 36
Mass mails: None
Callbacks received: 8
Callbacks accepted: 8
Offers w/vault ranges: 7 (2 vault-ranked IP boutiques, another IP boutique, 2 in 20-30, 1 in the 50s, 1 large regional techy firm)


What schools are MVP, MVPB?


Michigan Virginia Penn (Berkeley)

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby lawschoollll » Fri Nov 12, 2010 6:53 pm

It baffles me that Boaltttt is included by some in the MVP tier.

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Postby Veyron » Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:09 pm

lawschoollll wrote:It baffles me that Boaltttt is included by some in the MVP tier.


The tiers reflected the previous economic reality. Also, no school is placed into a lower tier than the school ranked under it by U.S. News. Just the way things work. Also for CA, Boalt > all but HYS.

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby RVP11 » Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:11 pm

Veyron wrote:Also for CA, Boalt > all but HYS.


Probably not. I'd much rather be at CCN, and probably even V.

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby Aqualibrium » Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:18 pm

You people and your rankings. In the end, if you can't hold a 20 minute conversation, you won't end up with a job anyway. Some of you should be afraid.

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Postby Anonymous User » Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:49 pm

School range: T50
Market(s): CA
Approx. class rank: Above Median
Law review: Secondary
Work experience: Engineer
IP background: EE
Anything else that might have an impact?: No
Self-assessed interview ability (1-10): 8?
Screening Interviews: 16
Mass mails: 0
Callbacks received: 4
Callbacks accepted: 4
Offers: 1 at mid-sized IP boutique (2 rejections and 1 withdrawal all from V100)

I am extremely fortunate for my mediocre grades and school.

I wish everyone out there luck if you're still looking. Hang in there.

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby RVP11 » Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:15 pm

Aqualibrium wrote:You people and your rankings. In the end, if you can't hold a 20 minute conversation, you won't end up with a job anyway. Some of you should be afraid.


Cough cough, Kurama?

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby vamedic03 » Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:29 pm

Some data for the silly primary versus secondary market discussion:

(Note the large dropoff after LA)

NLJ 250 2010 was released last week. Here are the largest 18 legal markets (for large firms) with number of NLJ 250 lawyers:

1) NYC - 21250

2) DC - 13004

3) Chicago - 7247

4) LA - 5462

5) SF - 3729

6) Boston - 3699

7) Philly - 2984

8) Atlanta - 2974

9) Dallas - 2790

10) Houston - 2732

11) Minneapolis - 1630

12) Miami - 1278

13) Denver - 1242

14) STL - 1227

15) Kansas City - 1194

16) Phoenix - 1084

17) Seattle - 1046

17) Nashville - 749




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