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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:58 pm

lawschoollll wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:School Range: T50
Market: NYC
Approx. class rank: Top 10%
Law Review: Secondary
Work experience: 2 yrs unrelated field
IP: No
Self-assessed interview capability: 9/10
Screening interviews: 20
Mass mails: none
Callbacks received: 12
Callbacks accepted: 10
Offers: 5 offers, 2 v20, 2 v50, 1 v100

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something wrong?

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby lawschoollll » Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:40 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
lawschoollll wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:School Range: T50
Market: NYC
Approx. class rank: Top 10%
Law Review: Secondary
Work experience: 2 yrs unrelated field
IP: No
Self-assessed interview capability: 9/10
Screening interviews: 20
Mass mails: none
Callbacks received: 12
Callbacks accepted: 10
Offers: 5 offers, 2 v20, 2 v50, 1 v100

...........................


something wrong?

Just unusual for your school rank looking through this thread.

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:42 pm

lawschoollll wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
lawschoollll wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:School Range: T50
Market: NYC
Approx. class rank: Top 10%
Law Review: Secondary
Work experience: 2 yrs unrelated field
IP: No
Self-assessed interview capability: 9/10
Screening interviews: 20
Mass mails: none
Callbacks received: 12
Callbacks accepted: 10
Offers: 5 offers, 2 v20, 2 v50, 1 v100

...........................


something wrong?

Just unusual for your school rank looking through this thread.


Oh, got ya. I interview well and got lucky, I guess. Also my work experience seemed to help me.

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby OperaSoprano » Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:46 pm

lawschoollll wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
lawschoollll wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:School Range: T50
Market: NYC
Approx. class rank: Top 10%
Law Review: Secondary
Work experience: 2 yrs unrelated field
IP: No
Self-assessed interview capability: 9/10
Screening interviews: 20
Mass mails: none
Callbacks received: 12
Callbacks accepted: 10
Offers: 5 offers, 2 v20, 2 v50, 1 v100

...........................


something wrong?

Just unusual for your school rank looking through this thread.


My T50 places that well for top 10% people. (ITE, it seemed like top quarter for a shot but not a guarantee). If the anon. poster above goes here, (or to one of BU/BC/GW, as it seems), this is not an unusual result.

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby lawschoollll » Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:56 pm

OperaSoprano wrote:My T50 places that well for top 10% people. (ITE, it seemed like top quarter for a shot but not a guarantee). If the anon. poster above goes here, (or to one of BU/BC/GW, as it seems), this is not an unusual result.

5 offers and 2 V20? ITT there are people who claim to be top 10% at CCN with 4 or fewer offers, top 5% at T20s with 0 offers, etc.

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:57 pm

School Range: T50 transfer to WUSTL/ND/Illinois
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Screening interviews: 15
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Callbacks accepted: 2
Offers: 1 offer midlaw in secondary city... pitt/detroit/cleveland/cinci

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby OperaSoprano » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:54 pm

lawschoollll wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:My T50 places that well for top 10% people. (ITE, it seemed like top quarter for a shot but not a guarantee). If the anon. poster above goes here, (or to one of BU/BC/GW, as it seems), this is not an unusual result.

5 offers and 2 V20? ITT there are people who claim to be top 10% at CCN with 4 or fewer offers, top 5% at T20s with 0 offers, etc.


As you know, this is not an exact science. It's possible to be top of the class at a T6 and strike out, but that is fortunately uncommon. The person with 5 offers obviously did well, but from what I've seen at my school, this is not a shocking result. I have classmates not on law review who got V5 offers (that is unusual, however.) I know I tend to think of this like admissions, where numbers very strongly correspond with acceptances, but it seems this isn't so.

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby legends159 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:59 pm

School Range: SLS
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Work experience: 0
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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby 98234872348 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:07 pm

OperaSoprano wrote:My T50 places that well for top 10% people. (ITE, it seemed like top quarter for a shot but not a guarantee). If the anon. poster above goes here, (or to one of BU/BC/GW, as it seems), this is not an unusual result.

Most people wouldn't qualify those schools as T50, but as T30s - also: Fordham perennially out places its rank.

Most people when saying T50, I would assume, are referring to schools between the T50 and T40 schools.

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:19 pm

lawschoollll wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:My T50 places that well for top 10% people. (ITE, it seemed like top quarter for a shot but not a guarantee). If the anon. poster above goes here, (or to one of BU/BC/GW, as it seems), this is not an unusual result.

5 offers and 2 V20? ITT there are people who claim to be top 10% at CCN with 4 or fewer offers, top 5% at T20s with 0 offers, etc.


Counting offers is a bit silly. How many offers you end up with depends a lot on how the scheduling happens to go. If you get an offer at your top choice early in the cycle, there is no point going on the rest of your callbacks just to rack up offers. I ended up with 4, but could probably have had anything from 2 to 8 depending on when certain firms got back to me.

Multiple V20 from top 10% at a T50 is not out of the question (though obviously its a great result). That's really what you should be looking at.
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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby Veyron » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:19 pm

mistergoft wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:My T50 places that well for top 10% people. (ITE, it seemed like top quarter for a shot but not a guarantee). If the anon. poster above goes here, (or to one of BU/BC/GW, as it seems), this is not an unusual result.

Most people wouldn't qualify those schools as T50, but as T30s - also: Fordham perennially out places its rank.

Most people when saying T50, I would assume, are referring to schools between the T50 and T40 schools.


Meh, they all place similarly, just into different markets.

Just so happens that people think that Ford, GW, BC/BU place better than the rest because they place into large markets.

This whole T-54, T-48, T-31, etc. stuff is silly.

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby rayiner » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:21 pm

Veyron wrote:
mistergoft wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:My T50 places that well for top 10% people. (ITE, it seemed like top quarter for a shot but not a guarantee). If the anon. poster above goes here, (or to one of BU/BC/GW, as it seems), this is not an unusual result.

Most people wouldn't qualify those schools as T50, but as T30s - also: Fordham perennially out places its rank.

Most people when saying T50, I would assume, are referring to schools between the T50 and T40 schools.


Meh, they all place similarly, just into different markets.

Just so happens that people think that Ford, GW, BC/BU place better than the rest because they place into large markets.

This whole T-54, T-48, T-31, etc. stuff is silly.


What on earth are you talking about?

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby Veyron » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:32 pm

rayiner wrote:
Veyron wrote:
mistergoft wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:My T50 places that well for top 10% people. (ITE, it seemed like top quarter for a shot but not a guarantee). If the anon. poster above goes here, (or to one of BU/BC/GW, as it seems), this is not an unusual result.

Most people wouldn't qualify those schools as T50, but as T30s - also: Fordham perennially out places its rank.

Most people when saying T50, I would assume, are referring to schools between the T50 and T40 schools.


Meh, they all place similarly, just into different markets.

Just so happens that people think that Ford, GW, BC/BU place better than the rest because they place into large markets.

This whole T-54, T-48, T-31, etc. stuff is silly.


What on earth are you talking about?



There is no meaninful difference in placement between a school like BU and a school like U of A, MN, etc in spite of differences in rank. The only difference is the markets in which they place. Therefore, the poster was justified in using T-50 to refer to Fordham and needent have replied with a more specific T-30, since one piece of information was just as good as the other. Only meaninfigul distinctions outside of the T-14 are UCLA TX Vandy T-1 (or T-50).

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby 98234872348 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:33 pm

Veyron wrote:
mistergoft wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:My T50 places that well for top 10% people. (ITE, it seemed like top quarter for a shot but not a guarantee). If the anon. poster above goes here, (or to one of BU/BC/GW, as it seems), this is not an unusual result.

Most people wouldn't qualify those schools as T50, but as T30s - also: Fordham perennially out places its rank.

Most people when saying T50, I would assume, are referring to schools between the T50 and T40 schools.


Meh, they all place similarly, just into different markets.

Just so happens that people think that Ford, GW, BC/BU place better than the rest because they place into large markets.

This whole T-54, T-48, T-31, etc. stuff is silly.

That's really not true at all. Fordham/BU/GW place significantly better than UF/Wake/Mason for example, especially if we're talking about vault firms.

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby Veyron » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:34 pm

[/quote]
That's really not true at all. Fordham/BU/GW place significantly better than UF/Wake/Mason for example, especially if we're talking about vault firms.[/quote]

Yes - if we are talking about Vault, no if we are talking about the sort of Biglaw firms that take SAs. You are much more likely to get a large Miami firm at OCI from UF (or more likely from a mass mailing) than from Fordham for ex. The world does not end at the Brooklyn Bridge.
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Postby rayiner » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:35 pm

Veyron wrote:There is no meaninful difference in placement between a school like BU and a school like U of A, MN, etc in spite of differences in rank. The only difference is the markets in which they place. Therefore, the poster was justified in using T-50 to refer to Fordham and needent have replied with a more specific T-30, since one piece of information was just as good as the other. Only meaninfigul distinctions outside of the T-14 are UCLA TX Vandy T-1 (or T-50).


Placement = where schools send their students to work. There are undoubtedly huge differences in placement between BU or Fordham and a place like Alabama. This is empirical fact. Just look at the NLJ250 states (which cover those big Miami firms you talk about).

So... what exactly are you prattling about?

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Postby Veyron » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:36 pm

rayiner wrote:
Veyron wrote:There is no meaninful difference in placement between a school like BU and a school like U of A, MN, etc in spite of differences in rank. The only difference is the markets in which they place. Therefore, the poster was justified in using T-50 to refer to Fordham and needent have replied with a more specific T-30, since one piece of information was just as good as the other. Only meaninfigul distinctions outside of the T-14 are UCLA TX Vandy T-1 (or T-50).


Placement = where schools send their students to work. There are undoubtedly huge differences in placement between BU or Fordham and a place like Alabama. This is empirical fact.

So... what exactly are you prattling about?


Alabama is T1? In any event. Let me spell it out for you... % class rank needed for Boston biglaw from BU roughly = to % of class needed for Orlando, Miami, etc. biglaw from UF where biglaw = firms that take SA's and pay lots of $.

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Postby 98234872348 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:44 pm

Veyron wrote:
rayiner wrote:
Veyron wrote:There is no meaninful difference in placement between a school like BU and a school like U of A, MN, etc in spite of differences in rank. The only difference is the markets in which they place. Therefore, the poster was justified in using T-50 to refer to Fordham and needent have replied with a more specific T-30, since one piece of information was just as good as the other. Only meaninfigul distinctions outside of the T-14 are UCLA TX Vandy T-1 (or T-50).


Placement = where schools send their students to work. There are undoubtedly huge differences in placement between BU or Fordham and a place like Alabama. This is empirical fact.

So... what exactly are you prattling about?


Alabama is T1? In any event. Let me spell it out for you... % class rank needed for Boston biglaw from BU roughly = to % of class needed for Orlando, Miami, etc. biglaw from UF where biglaw = firms that take SA's and pay lots of $.

People top 20% at BU have a good chance at an offer from boston biglaw. People outside the top 10% (and many inside of that) at UF aren't even getting screening interviews good with Miami firms, less callbacks or offers...

That might be the result that even the biggest Miami firms are only taking 4-5 SAs (if that), though, whereas big Boston offices of firms like Ropes take, what, upwards of 40...

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Postby Veyron » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:55 pm

^ Wow, just wow, and I thought that AZ got killed. Still, I think you understand my point even if UF and the Florida market may not have been the best examples. And even in this extreme case, the difference in placement you're talking about is like 10%.

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Postby rayiner » Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:00 pm

Veyron wrote:
rayiner wrote:
Veyron wrote:There is no meaninful difference in placement between a school like BU and a school like U of A, MN, etc in spite of differences in rank. The only difference is the markets in which they place. Therefore, the poster was justified in using T-50 to refer to Fordham and needent have replied with a more specific T-30, since one piece of information was just as good as the other. Only meaninfigul distinctions outside of the T-14 are UCLA TX Vandy T-1 (or T-50).


Placement = where schools send their students to work. There are undoubtedly huge differences in placement between BU or Fordham and a place like Alabama. This is empirical fact.

So... what exactly are you prattling about?


Alabama is T1? In any event. Let me spell it out for you... % class rank needed for Boston biglaw from BU roughly = to % of class needed for Orlando, Miami, etc. biglaw from UF where biglaw = firms that take SA's and pay lots of $.


LOL no.

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Postby 98234872348 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:04 pm

Veyron wrote:^ Wow, just wow, and I thought that AZ got killed. Still, I think you understand my point even if UF and the Florida market may not have been the best examples. And even in this extreme case, the difference in placement you're talking about is like 10%.

I think your statement about the target markets of each school is accurate. Schools in markets that have faltered significantly likely took a more disproportionate hit than schools in the northeast since the NYC and Boston legal markets seem to be weathering the recession (relatively) well and those markets typically have a significant amount of market-paying SA positions.

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Postby rayiner » Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:05 pm

Veyron wrote:^ Wow, just wow, and I thought that AZ got killed. Still, I think you understand my point even if UF and the Florida market may not have been the best examples. And even in this extreme case, the difference in placement you're talking about is like 10%.


10% is a BFD when placement is only 20% to start with.

Whatever point you're trying to make is stupid. WUSTL/BU/BC/GW/Fordham place 2-3x as many people into big firms (ie: NLJ250) as Alabama, Florida, etc. Yes, this is a product of the market, but it's always been that way.

Trying to take the market out of the definition of placement is retarded. NYU wouldn't place nearly as well as it does if it weren't in NYC, etc, etc. What possible reason is there to use a definition of "placement" that isn't = to "number of folks placed into jobs making $90k+"?

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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby Veyron » Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:10 pm

rayiner wrote:
Veyron wrote:^ Wow, just wow, and I thought that AZ got killed. Still, I think you understand my point even if UF and the Florida market may not have been the best examples. And even in this extreme case, the difference in placement you're talking about is like 10%.


10% is a BFD when placement is only 20% to start with.

Whatever point you're trying to make is stupid. WUSTL/BU/BC/GW/Fordham place 2-3x as many people into big firms (ie: NLJ250) as Alabama, Florida, etc. Yes, this is a product of the market, but it's always been that way.

Trying to take the market out of the definition of placement is retarded. NYU wouldn't place nearly as well as it does if it weren't in NYC, etc, etc. What possible reason is there to use a definition of "placement" that isn't = to "number of folks placed into jobs making $90k+"?


My point would have been better stated if I had said that rank within the T-50 after T-14 UCLATV does not necessarily correlate with placement. I'll give an example about schools I know better here - after adjusting for COL and differences between markets, the University of Arizona places a similar number % of the class in high paying biglaw or botique jobs as BU even though their rankings would seem to indicate that this would not be the case. I'm sure people from T50's in states with stronger legal markets than AZ but no T-14 experience similar if not better results.
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Re: NEW final 2010 OCI results thread that are ACTUALLY FINAL

Postby vanwinkle » Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:10 pm

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