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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby wiseowl » Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:04 pm

dood wrote:
wiseowl wrote:
dood wrote:also note its 100% legal in CA cause its a game of skill not gambling


Poker itself is not illegal. Online poker is.


wut if u'r a resident of CA doing online poker? i not sure about that one.


these are federal, not state laws. you're more than welcome to smoke "medicinal" ganja in CA also, but if the feds take you in, it's their call and their rules.

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby ToTransferOrNot » Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:05 pm

wiseowl wrote:
dood wrote:
wiseowl wrote:
dood wrote:also note its 100% legal in CA cause its a game of skill not gambling


Poker itself is not illegal. Online poker is.


wut if u'r a resident of CA doing online poker? i not sure about that one.


these are federal, not state laws. you're more than welcome to smoke "medicinal" ganja in CA also, but if the feds take you in, it's their call and their rules.


In fairness, it isn't clear whether it's illegal under federal law, while it is clearly illegal in some states, and legal in others.

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby ResolutePear » Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:08 pm

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dood wrote:also, i dont think illegal vs. legal has any outcome in the answer to OPs question


Are you a moron?

Yeah, clearly putting an illegal activity on a resume going to a law firm would be a good move.


To add to this: I would ultimately skip anything on my resume that might be considered questionable. Legal or not, an employer doesn't want to have to worry about you blowing your rent/life-savings on a poker game and killing yourself.

It'd be akin to putting, "Spent 2 years in Rehab for pain killers." then walking in and offering pain killers to your employer. It's kind of skewed, but the employer's going to prob. look at it this way. It's legal and you're practicing it as a vice in the open; open enough to tell your prospective employer on Day 0.

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Re: Poker on a resume

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby ResolutePear » Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:15 pm

ToTransferOrNot wrote:
wiseowl wrote:
dood wrote:
wiseowl wrote:
Poker itself is not illegal. Online poker is.


wut if u'r a resident of CA doing online poker? i not sure about that one.


these are federal, not state laws. you're more than welcome to smoke "medicinal" ganja in CA also, but if the feds take you in, it's their call and their rules.


In fairness, it isn't clear whether it's illegal under federal law, while it is clearly illegal in some states, and legal in others.


Let me start off by saying: IANAL(I am not a lawyer!)

You could probably argue the supremacy clause on this.

It'd be hard to prosecute this, anyways. The server is hosted in an obviously legal state (in the case of Full Tilt), therefore you could possibly argue that it's the same as boarding a plane and visiting Las Vegas.

On the off chance that there is somebody thinking, "Well yeah Pear, but there's data being sent to the state!". There is no data being stored on the computer in relation to the games of chance; everything is server-side.

Looking at it from another view, I think it'd be hard to argue on either front.

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby dood » Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:18 pm

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby ToTransferOrNot » Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:21 pm

Er, you can only argue supremacy clause if federal law specifically makes it either legal or illegal. Federal law certainly doesn't make it legal, and it's questionable whether it makes it illegal (see my points above,) which means that state law matters.

As far as situs, if I remember correctly, the situs of an action taken by an individual is always both the state the person is in, and the state touched by the action.

Anyway, as interesting as this discussion is, as someone else noted, the possible sketchiness of online poker makes it not resume-worthy.

MMA is totally inapposite, because, you know, it's legal. Everyone knows that it's legal.

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Re: Poker on a resume

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby ToTransferOrNot » Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:31 pm

If anything I think MMA is probably more looked down-upon than playing poker.

You seem to be overlooking the irony of including a potentially illegal activity on a law firm resume. In an interview with someone you KNOW is a huge poker buff, different situation - but an interview =/= a resume.

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Re: Poker on a resume

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby 20160810 » Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:35 pm

I am beginning to suspect dood is a guy I went to college with.

Also, I frankly think that putting poker on your resume is stupid. However, there's nothing wrong with listing it under "personal interests" if you have such a section.

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby ResolutePear » Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:35 pm

dood wrote:but dont u think fighting is equally looked down upon? and im not disagreeing with ur main point, but all im saying is that there will be some time where the OP can and SHOULD mention it in an interview, i.e. when he meets an interviewer who is really into poker. and if he has indeed won some massive amount of money in pestigous tourney, that would be a good accomplishment to list on resume.

further, EVERY lawyer family friend ive talked to has driven this home: ITE u MUST distinguish ur self. even above median grades at T14 does not assure u of a job b/c there are literally 1000s of people with ur exact credentials all fighting for the same couple hundred jobs at the top firms.


Gambling is considered a vice. Recreational fighting (Law is your profession, right?) isn't... besides, don't you know the first rule of fight club?

ITE, it's easier than ever to disqualify yourself - play it safe where you can.

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Re: Poker on a resume

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby ResolutePear » Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:38 pm

SBL wrote:I am beginning to suspect dood is a guy I went to college with.

Also, I frankly think that putting poker on your resume is stupid. However, there's nothing wrong with listing it under "personal interests" if you have such a section.


For some reason, those "personal interests" sections crack me up all the time. I'll admit though, I did give one lady a call back because she listed "Underwater Basket Weaving" in that section. I couldn't take her seriously enough to hire her. This was before we were ITE, btw.

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:40 pm

I've avoided it because I don't think most would understand it and would equate it to winning money in scratch off tickets or something.

FWIW, in a profile for one of the most recent Supreme Court clerks from some recent term I remember one of his interests was listed as analyzing poker hands. I think it's fair to say that clerk has played a bit of online poker. I think this profile was on abovethelaw or something, don't really remember. Also, the University of Michigan in their application specifically said that if you have other interesting accomplishments/hobbies please list them. One of the examples given on the application itself was "an ace poker player."

Also, online poker, from the prospective of the player, is not illegal.

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby dood » Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:41 pm

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby 20160810 » Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:45 pm

ResolutePear wrote:
SBL wrote:I am beginning to suspect dood is a guy I went to college with.

Also, I frankly think that putting poker on your resume is stupid. However, there's nothing wrong with listing it under "personal interests" if you have such a section.


For some reason, those "personal interests" sections crack me up all the time. I'll admit though, I did give one lady a call back because she listed "Underwater Basket Weaving" in that section. I couldn't take her seriously enough to hire her. This was before we were ITE, btw.

Mine are mainly just generic interests (football, baseball, weight training, grilling), in the hopes that if the interviewer is a 9ers or Giants fan and the convo gets stuck we'll have something to discuss.

I also listed performing stand-up comedy because that's something I do, and I've gotten questions about that before. Not sure if it helps or hurts, but at least it keeps the interview from stalling.

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:49 pm

I go to a T10 school and am only mentioning poker for 1 interview that I consider to be a big reach. I figure I need to go big or go home during the interview and I figure my poker success is the only way I might be able to do it. If it fails, then whatever.

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby dood » Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:50 pm

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:52 pm

Resolute - Are you a recruiter for a firm or something? You said you called back a candidate and that you aren't a lawyer so it seems that you must be a recruiter.

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby ResolutePear » Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:58 pm

SBL wrote:
ResolutePear wrote:
SBL wrote:I am beginning to suspect dood is a guy I went to college with.

Also, I frankly think that putting poker on your resume is stupid. However, there's nothing wrong with listing it under "personal interests" if you have such a section.


For some reason, those "personal interests" sections crack me up all the time. I'll admit though, I did give one lady a call back because she listed "Underwater Basket Weaving" in that section. I couldn't take her seriously enough to hire her. This was before we were ITE, btw.

Mine are mainly just generic interests (football, baseball, weight training, grilling), in the hopes that if the interviewer is a 9ers or Giants fan and the convo gets stuck we'll have something to discuss.

I also listed performing stand-up comedy because that's something I do, and I've gotten questions about that before. Not sure if it helps or hurts, but at least it keeps the interview from stalling.


I guess as an interviewer I always tried to be this "to the point" person so I've never looked too much at personal interests. Of course, not all interviewers are the same - and whatever works for you is the correct way to go it seems.

As an I.T. Manager at a Fortune 500 I had to screen interviewers to make sure their qualifications were legit, required about 10 hours a week of sifting through resumes and interviews on average.

I am terribly sorry if I came across as a firm recruiter!

I remember getting a job because I put, "I know my shit." on an application. Did I need the job? Nope... so the risk was acceptable. Would I do it when applying to a firm when I get my JD? Hell no.

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby Generic20101L » Sun Aug 15, 2010 5:26 pm

ResolutePear wrote:You're going to compare handling investments/cases/etc. to a game of poker?


Are you implying one is more honorable/difficult than the other?

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby ToTransferOrNot » Sun Aug 15, 2010 5:53 pm

Generic20101L wrote:
ResolutePear wrote:You're going to compare handling investments/cases/etc. to a game of poker?


Are you implying one is more honorable/difficult than the other?



... seriously? Seriously?

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby bwv812 » Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:30 pm

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby ResolutePear » Sun Aug 15, 2010 10:09 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I've had some success playing online poker. Should I note this on a resume/discuss in an interview?

I know people who have talked about poker for finance/hedge fund interviews and gotten jobs partially because of it.


You know people who have received offers b/c they gamble on the internet? Quality. GTFO. Thanks, bai.




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