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Poker on a resume

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 15, 2010 1:58 pm

I've had some success playing online poker. Should I note this on a resume/discuss in an interview?

I know people who have talked about poker for finance/hedge fund interviews and gotten jobs partially because of it.

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby ResolutePear » Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:05 pm

You're going to compare handling investments/cases/etc. to a game of poker?

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby rayiner » Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:13 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I've had some success playing online poker. Should I note this on a resume/discuss in an interview?

I know people who have talked about poker for finance/hedge fund interviews and gotten jobs partially because of it.


Outed.

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby lebroniousjames » Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:25 pm

by success you mean what? my boy is up 1.4 and I doubt he'd make that move, but I guess you could be playing in a different ball game

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby ToTransferOrNot » Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:30 pm

Um, isn't online poker not strictly... legal?

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby lebroniousjames » Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:37 pm

ToTransferOrNot wrote:Um, isn't online poker not strictly... legal?



if it's taxed like income, it's legal. online poker is taxed like income; therefore, it's legal

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby ToTransferOrNot » Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:43 pm

lebroniousjames wrote:
ToTransferOrNot wrote:Um, isn't online poker not strictly... legal?



if it's taxed like income, it's legal. online poker is taxed like income; therefore, it's legal


That is absolutely not true. A brief search reveals that all forms of gambling are illegal for all people in certain states - online wagering included - that it is currently unclear whether the Wire Act includes online poker for people using it to make a wage, and that the House passed a bill in July that would purport to legalize and regulate online gaming (which implies that the house considers it illegal, at the moment).

Edit to add: The IRS couldn't give a shit where the income comes from, they tax it. Criminal law enforcement isn't their gig, and given the lack of information sharing between even agencies under the Homeland umbrella, the thought that the IRS would forward every activity it thinks may constitute wire fraud to the DOJ is laughable.

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Re: Poker on a resume

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby ResolutePear » Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:46 pm

When in doubt, FullTilt Poker.

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby ToTransferOrNot » Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:49 pm

dood wrote:r we talking bout world series here? or just couple thousand here and there? first, it better be impressive, b/c i won a $25K poker tourney in vegas 2 years ago, blew it all that very night, and im certainly not gonna mention that. i also fucked up phil helmouth for a couple Gs back in madison wi in like 2004 right when poker was getting big. so assuming u won a substantial amount in some prestigious tourneys against known players, then the answer is:

depends on ur interviewer. a nice lady from HR? HELL NO, DO NOT MENTION THIS NO MATTER WUT. but another BRO who wants to live vicariously through a younger version of himself? yeah of course.

and if u'r as good as u say u are, then u R already an excellent judge of when and where it will be appropriate to "raise the stakes" in the interview.


Kill yourself. You're on a fucking law school message board - you're not texting your 4th grade bff. Learn how to type. Jesusfuckingchrist.

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Re: Poker on a resume

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby ResolutePear » Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:52 pm

ToTransferOrNot wrote:
dood wrote:r we talking bout world series here? or just couple thousand here and there? first, it better be impressive, b/c i won a $25K poker tourney in vegas 2 years ago, blew it all that very night, and im certainly not gonna mention that. i also fucked up phil helmouth for a couple Gs back in madison wi in like 2004 right when poker was getting big. so assuming u won a substantial amount in some prestigious tourneys against known players, then the answer is:

depends on ur interviewer. a nice lady from HR? HELL NO, DO NOT MENTION THIS NO MATTER WUT. but another BRO who wants to live vicariously through a younger version of himself? yeah of course.

and if u'r as good as u say u are, then u R already an excellent judge of when and where it will be appropriate to "raise the stakes" in the interview.


Kill yourself. You're on a fucking law school message board - you're not texting your 4th grade bff. Learn how to type. Jesusfuckingchrist.


I can has cheezburger?

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Re: Poker on a resume

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby wiseowl » Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:53 pm

lebroniousjames wrote:
ToTransferOrNot wrote:Um, isn't online poker not strictly... legal?



if it's taxed like income, it's legal. online poker is taxed like income; therefore, it's legal


Drug trafficking is also taxed as income, and last I checked, that's generally frowned upon.

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Re: Poker on a resume

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby ToTransferOrNot » Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:54 pm

ResolutePear wrote:
ToTransferOrNot wrote:
dood wrote:r we talking bout world series here? or just couple thousand here and there? first, it better be impressive, b/c i won a $25K poker tourney in vegas 2 years ago, blew it all that very night, and im certainly not gonna mention that. i also fucked up phil helmouth for a couple Gs back in madison wi in like 2004 right when poker was getting big. so assuming u won a substantial amount in some prestigious tourneys against known players, then the answer is:

depends on ur interviewer. a nice lady from HR? HELL NO, DO NOT MENTION THIS NO MATTER WUT. but another BRO who wants to live vicariously through a younger version of himself? yeah of course.

and if u'r as good as u say u are, then u R already an excellent judge of when and where it will be appropriate to "raise the stakes" in the interview.


Kill yourself. You're on a fucking law school message board - you're not texting your 4th grade bff. Learn how to type. Jesusfuckingchrist.


I can has cheezburger?


lolcat speak is an accepted exception. Going through entire posts replacing "you" with "u", "are" with "r", failing at using the shift key, etc, is not. Seriously.

Also, its "haz." Outted as not being fully in line with your feline overlords.
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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby lebroniousjames » Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:55 pm

ToTransferOrNot wrote:
lebroniousjames wrote:
ToTransferOrNot wrote:Um, isn't online poker not strictly... legal?



if it's taxed like income, it's legal. online poker is taxed like income; therefore, it's legal


That is absolutely not true. A brief search reveals that all forms of gambling are illegal for all people in certain states - online wagering included - that it is currently unclear whether the Wire Act includes online poker for people using it to make a wage, and that the House passed a bill in July that would purport to legalize and regulate online gaming (which implies that the house considers it illegal, at the moment).

Edit to add: The IRS couldn't give a shit where the income comes from, they tax it. Criminal law enforcement isn't their gig, and given the lack of information sharing between even agencies under the Homeland umbrella, the thought that the IRS would forward every activity it thinks may constitute wire fraud to the DOJ is laughable.


ya got me, I didn't consider individual states.

revised: my friend made 1.4; he got taxed on the 1.4; IRS typically taxes legal economic activity; he's not in jail/has no known pending charges; he lives in mass; therefore, it is possible online poker is legal for at least some people in mass.

airtight enough for you?

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby wiseowl » Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:55 pm

dood wrote:also note its 100% legal in CA cause its a game of skill not gambling


Poker itself is not illegal. Online poker is.

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby d34d9823 » Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:56 pm

ToTransferOrNot wrote:That is absolutely not true. A brief search reveals that all forms of gambling are illegal for all people in certain states - online wagering included - that it is currently unclear whether the Wire Act includes online poker for people using it to make a wage, and that the House passed a bill in July that would purport to legalize and regulate online gaming (which implies that the house considers it illegal, at the moment).

Edit to add: The IRS couldn't give a shit where the income comes from, they tax it. Criminal law enforcement isn't their gig, and given the lack of information sharing between even agencies under the Homeland umbrella, the thought that the IRS would forward every activity it thinks may constitute wire fraud to the DOJ is laughable.

I thought the definition for whether an activity was gambling was whether or not "luck predominated the outcome" or something like that. Since poker is a game mostly determined by skill, it should be exempt.

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby dood » Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:57 pm

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby ResolutePear » Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:58 pm

ToTransferOrNot wrote:
ResolutePear wrote:
ToTransferOrNot wrote:
dood wrote:r we talking bout world series here? or just couple thousand here and there? first, it better be impressive, b/c i won a $25K poker tourney in vegas 2 years ago, blew it all that very night, and im certainly not gonna mention that. i also fucked up phil helmouth for a couple Gs back in madison wi in like 2004 right when poker was getting big. so assuming u won a substantial amount in some prestigious tourneys against known players, then the answer is:

depends on ur interviewer. a nice lady from HR? HELL NO, DO NOT MENTION THIS NO MATTER WUT. but another BRO who wants to live vicariously through a younger version of himself? yeah of course.

and if u'r as good as u say u are, then u R already an excellent judge of when and where it will be appropriate to "raise the stakes" in the interview.


Kill yourself. You're on a fucking law school message board - you're not texting your 4th grade bff. Learn how to type. Jesusfuckingchrist.


I can has cheezburger?


lolcat speak is an accepted exception. Going through entire posts replacing "you" with "u", "are" with "r", failing at using the shift key, etc, is not. Seriously.

Also, its "haz." Outted as not being fully in line with your feline overlords.


You have trumped me, good sir.

Well played.

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby dood » Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:00 pm

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby ResolutePear » Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:00 pm

dood wrote:
wiseowl wrote:
dood wrote:also note its 100% legal in CA cause its a game of skill not gambling


Poker itself is not illegal. Online poker is.


wut if u'r a resident of CA doing online poker? i not sure about that one.


I'd assume since it's across state borders it's federal. I'd research any federal statues on it to make sure.

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby ToTransferOrNot » Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:01 pm

d34dluk3 wrote:
ToTransferOrNot wrote:That is absolutely not true. A brief search reveals that all forms of gambling are illegal for all people in certain states - online wagering included - that it is currently unclear whether the Wire Act includes online poker for people using it to make a wage, and that the House passed a bill in July that would purport to legalize and regulate online gaming (which implies that the house considers it illegal, at the moment).

Edit to add: The IRS couldn't give a shit where the income comes from, they tax it. Criminal law enforcement isn't their gig, and given the lack of information sharing between even agencies under the Homeland umbrella, the thought that the IRS would forward every activity it thinks may constitute wire fraud to the DOJ is laughable.

I thought the definition for whether an activity was gambling was whether or not "luck predominated the outcome" or something like that. Since poker is a game mostly determined by skill, it should be exempt.


Varies by state. Also, whether poker is a game of skill or luck also (probably) varies by state, though I could be wrong on that point, since I haven't researched it. Further, there's no question that DOJ thinks the Wire Act should cover online poker for people making a living on it - though a circuit court (5th circuit, I think?) has said that it doesn't. There's also no question that the House passed a bill that would legalize and regulate it, which implies that the House thinks it is currently illegal.

All of this adds up to "including this on a resume that is going to a law firm is probably a bad move." Not to mention that the equivalency the OP wants to make is absurd.

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Re: Poker on a resume

Postby ToTransferOrNot » Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:02 pm

dood wrote:also, i dont think illegal vs. legal has any outcome in the answer to OPs question


Are you a moron?

Yeah, clearly putting an illegal activity on a resume going to a law firm would be a good move.




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