PSA: Most firms don't make all callback offers at once

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Re: PSA: Most firms don't make all callback offers at once

Postby NYAssociate » Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:08 am

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Re: PSA: Most firms don't make all callback offers at once

Postby Cavalier » Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:37 pm

For what it's worth, this is a quote from UVA's career services website:

UVA Law Career Services wrote:When are callback invitations extended and when do callbacks occur?

Callback invitations can be extended any time after the on-Grounds interviewing process begins in late August, and a number of callbacks take place in September, but most callback invitations for UVA students aren’t extended until September or even later. This is an extremely important fact for UVA students to bear in mind. If you get an “early” callback, or a callback received within a week to 10 days after the on-Grounds interview, you are likely someone the firm is very impressed with. Most firms have an early callback list of superior candidates and a “hold” list made up of other candidates they also like, and if you've interviewed with a firm but not heard back from them you are probably in the “hold” group. Employers are rarely if ever able to fill their needs from their early callback list, and they routinely make later offers for callbacks to those on “hold”. This contributes to a “second wave” of callbacks in September and October. If you have interviewed with a firm and two to three weeks have passed without your hearing anything, there is a good chance you will end up getting a callback from the firm. One of the tactics you can use to enhance your chances for callbacks is to contact firms you have interviewed with but not heard from to let them know you are still interested. This can expedite the process of a firm giving you a callback invitation if you are in the “hold” group.

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Re: PSA: Most firms don't make all callback offers at once

Postby JG Hall » Sat Aug 14, 2010 8:03 pm

Wouldn't you rather stick to the 24-hour rule and then be super excited if you do, by chance, get a late callback, rather than hold out hope only to inevitably be disappointed in the end? Pessimism at least lends itself to pleasant surprises.

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Re: PSA: Most firms don't make all callback offers at once

Postby Person » Sat Aug 14, 2010 8:13 pm

JG Hall wrote:Wouldn't you rather stick to the 24-hour rule and then be super excited if you do, by chance, get a late callback, rather than hold out hope only to inevitably be disappointed in the end? Pessimism at least lends itself to pleasant surprises.


This is essentially the philosophy I live my life by.

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Re: PSA: Most firms don't make all callback offers at once

Postby radek » Sun Aug 15, 2010 12:50 am

Cavalier wrote:For what it's worth, this is a quote from UVA's career services website:

UVA Law Career Services wrote:When are callback invitations extended and when do callbacks occur?

Callback invitations can be extended any time after the on-Grounds interviewing process begins in late August, and a number of callbacks take place in September, but most callback invitations for UVA students aren’t extended until September or even later. This is an extremely important fact for UVA students to bear in mind. If you get an “early” callback, or a callback received within a week to 10 days after the on-Grounds interview, you are likely someone the firm is very impressed with. Most firms have an early callback list of superior candidates and a “hold” list made up of other candidates they also like, and if you've interviewed with a firm but not heard back from them you are probably in the “hold” group. Employers are rarely if ever able to fill their needs from their early callback list, and they routinely make later offers for callbacks to those on “hold”. This contributes to a “second wave” of callbacks in September and October. If you have interviewed with a firm and two to three weeks have passed without your hearing anything, there is a good chance you will end up getting a callback from the firm. One of the tactics you can use to enhance your chances for callbacks is to contact firms you have interviewed with but not heard from to let them know you are still interested. This can expedite the process of a firm giving you a callback invitation if you are in the “hold” group.


I'm not sure when the CSO wrote this, but I bet the "hold groups" were a lot bigger pre-ITE. Also, fewer CBs are being extended which means those receiving early CBs are much more likely to accept. Basically, I'm just questioning the validity of the above statements given the times we're living in.

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Re: PSA: Most firms don't make all callback offers at once

Postby NYAssociate » Sun Aug 15, 2010 1:32 am

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Re: PSA: Most firms don't make all callback offers at once

Postby como » Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:08 am

FWIW, I know of people who have heard from a firm one day, then another person heard from that firm two days later. Plenty of callbacks are all-at-once, but many are not. It depends on the firm, the interviewer, and, probably, the candidate.

Also, the 24-hour rule is bullshit. If that were the case, the vast majority of firms will not call anyone from my school back. I would say roughly 1/4 of all the firms that came to OCI have started callbacks, and days have passed.

Also, it may be early too early to start being optimistic, but I am feeling optimistic about this year.
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Re: PSA: Most firms don't make all callback offers at once

Postby radek » Sun Aug 15, 2010 4:02 am

NYAssociate wrote:The "hold" section is probably bigger, ITE.


I'd be interested in hearing your reasoning about this.

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Re: PSA: Most firms don't make all callback offers at once

Postby vamedic03 » Sun Aug 15, 2010 9:45 am

radek wrote:
NYAssociate wrote:The "hold" section is probably bigger, ITE.


I'd be interested in hearing your reasoning about this.


Isn't this self-explanatory? Callback fewer at a time, while maintaining a large hold category rather than callback a lot at a time.

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Re: PSA: Most firms don't make all callback offers at once

Postby radek » Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:31 am

vamedic03 wrote:
radek wrote:
NYAssociate wrote:The "hold" section is probably bigger, ITE.


I'd be interested in hearing your reasoning about this.


Isn't this self-explanatory? Callback fewer at a time, while maintaining a large hold category rather than callback a lot at a time.


I was thinking more like:

Same number of applicants + fewer CBs TOTAL = higher yield rates for CBs ---> LESS of a need for a large "hold" group

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Re: PSA: Most firms don't make all callback offers at once

Postby NYAssociate » Sun Aug 15, 2010 12:01 pm

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Re: PSA: Most firms don't make all callback offers at once

Postby wiseowl » Sun Aug 15, 2010 12:11 pm

the new 28-day rule has some role in this too, but i'm not sure what it is yet.

there will either be fewer late callbacks because most students get scarfed up early by aggressive callback/offer firms, or there will be way more late callbacks because 28 days after the first offer rounds go out, possibly in early September, firms have to scramble.

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Re: PSA: Most firms don't make all callback offers at once

Postby let/them/eat/cake » Sun Aug 15, 2010 12:27 pm

wiseowl wrote:the new 28-day rule has some role in this too, but i'm not sure what it is yet.

there will either be fewer late callbacks because most students get scarfed up early by aggressive callback/offer firms, or there will be way more late callbacks because 28 days after the first offer rounds go out, possibly in early September, firms have to scramble.


another reason this process is the worst part of law school thus far: it could drag on, mentally, into October.

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Re: PSA: Most firms don't make all callback offers at once

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