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Re: Include 1L summer billing total in OCI resume?

Postby NYAssociate » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:06 pm

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Re: Include 1L summer billing total in OCI resume?

Postby dresden doll » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:09 pm

NYAssociate wrote:
dresden doll wrote:
NYAssociate wrote:
I'm sorry. I just imagined myself speaking to you in real life and wanting to vomit from the conversation.


You imagined it? We've already met - you should be able to recall the feeling of wanting to vomit.


That may be. I guess I'm just hoping you don't talk like you type.


I'm not going to be baited into a further argument with you of all people, not least because I think you're generally one of the most useful posters around here. If you want to continue this discussion, we should probably take it to pms.

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Re: Include 1L summer billing total in OCI resume?

Postby General Tso » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:09 pm

love seeing TLS snobs taken down a notch :lol:

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Re: Include 1L summer billing total in OCI resume?

Postby NYAssociate » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:10 pm

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Re: Include 1L summer billing total in OCI resume?

Postby Stringer6 » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:12 pm

Don't you go to Hastings? Where were you billing these hours, the city attorney's?


what inside your soul makes you to write something like this? did you never live up to your father's expectations, or did mommy yell at you too much when you were 12?

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Re: Include 1L summer billing total in OCI resume?

Postby Pearalegal » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:13 pm

Stringer6 wrote:
Don't you go to Hastings? Where were you billing these hours, the city attorney's?


what inside your soul makes you to write something like this? did you never live up to your father's expectations, or did mommy yell at you too much when you were 12?


Usually the problem is that mommy didn't yell enough in such cases.

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Re: Include 1L summer billing total in OCI resume?

Postby 12262010 » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:14 pm

this thread is going well

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Re: Include 1L summer billing total in OCI resume?

Postby PKSebben » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:17 pm

So you are going to put down on your resume that you are willing to work really hard? It's like putting down that you have a pulse. It's a common understanding at the resume review process stage that all candidates will work hard.

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Re: Include 1L summer billing total in OCI resume?

Postby General Tso » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:18 pm

PKSebben wrote:So you are going to put down on your resume that you are willing to work really hard? It's like putting down that you have a pulse. It's a common understanding at the resume review process stage that all candidates will work hard.


who me? nope

I've read Guerrilla Tactics like the rest of us

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Re: Include 1L summer billing total in OCI resume?

Postby vanwinkle » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:19 pm

I'm going to put on my resume that I showed up for work on time every day at my last job, and only showed up drunk once or twice.

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Re: Include 1L summer billing total in OCI resume?

Postby Matthies » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:21 pm

General Tso wrote:
PKSebben wrote:So you are going to put down on your resume that you are willing to work really hard? It's like putting down that you have a pulse. It's a common understanding at the resume review process stage that all candidates will work hard.


who me? nope

I've read Guerrilla Tactics like the rest of us


Actaully that puts you in the class of about 1% of all law students.

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Re: Include 1L summer billing total in OCI resume?

Postby Matthies » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:22 pm

vanwinkle wrote:I'm going to put on my resume that I showed up for work on time every day at my last job, and only showed up drunk once or twice.


Where your going to school ypou can show up drunk to the interview, call the managing female partner honey and shoot finger guns at her with a wink on your way out and still get an offer.

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Postby 270910 » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:26 pm

Matthies wrote:
vanwinkle wrote:I'm going to put on my resume that I showed up for work on time every day at my last job, and only showed up drunk once or twice.


Where your going to school ypou can show up drunk to the interview, call the managing female partner honey and shoot finger guns at her with a wink on your way out and still get an offer.


How do you know what school he's going to?

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Re: Include 1L summer billing total in OCI resume?

Postby Matthies » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:28 pm

disco_barred wrote:
Matthies wrote:
vanwinkle wrote:I'm going to put on my resume that I showed up for work on time every day at my last job, and only showed up drunk once or twice.


Where your going to school ypou can show up drunk to the interview, call the managing female partner honey and shoot finger guns at her with a wink on your way out and still get an offer.


How do you know what school he's going to?


I'm all knowing

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Re: Include 1L summer billing total in OCI resume?

Postby 20160810 » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:56 pm

Stringer6 wrote:
Don't you go to Hastings? Where were you billing these hours, the city attorney's?


what inside your soul makes you to write something like this? did you never live up to your father's expectations, or did mommy yell at you too much when you were 12?

Um, that's a pretty legitimate question. I go to a school which ranked only 14 spots above UCH (i.e. a peer school) and very, very few people got good firm jobs after 1L. It too was wondering what kind of firm OP is working at; talking up your billables when you're shuffling papers at a 4-person insurance defense shop in Daly City doesn't really seem like an overwhelmingly necessary thing to do.

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Re: Include 1L summer billing total in OCI resume?

Postby rynabrius » Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:05 pm

I read "Guerilla Tactics" only to realize at the end that the author hales from a TTT. Disappointed, I threw it in the trash, knowing that the information contained within must be worthless.

OT: Try to include some type of penis measurement on your resume as well, that will let them know what type of confidence you bring to the table.

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Re: Include 1L summer billing total in OCI resume?

Postby General Tso » Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:07 pm

rynabrius wrote:I read "Guerilla Tactics" only to realize at the end that the author hales from a TTT. Disappointed, I threw it in the trash, knowing that the information contained within must be worthless.

OT: Try to include some type of penis measurement on your resume as well, that will let them know what type of confidence you bring to the table.


I sincerely hope you are trying to be ironic. Your penis size should be pretty high on your resume, but just below that pearl of a law school you surely attend. :wink:

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Re: Include 1L summer billing total in OCI resume?

Postby 20160810 » Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:12 pm

Can someone spoil Guerilla Tactics for me so I don't have to buy/read it? Other than "get good grades, go to a good law school, send out resumes, write good cover letters," I'm really not sure what kind of helpful and apposite information the book could contain.

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Re: Include 1L summer billing total in OCI resume?

Postby 270910 » Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:15 pm

SoftBoiledLife wrote:Can someone spoil Guerilla Tactics for me so I don't have to buy/read it? Other than "get good grades, go to a good law school, send out resumes, write good cover letters," I'm really not sure what kind of helpful and apposite information the book could contain.


*drools over the word apposite again*

It actually doesn't talk about grades or law school much; it's largely a book designed to get jobs in spite of those two factors. It focuses on sort of the theory of selling yourself, the things to think about, the manner to approach the job hunt. It is quite wordy, and hard to distill into digestible chunks. It's the kind of book you read and think "this is all common sense" but if will (hopefully) focus your common sense into a productive and overt channel.

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Re: Include 1L summer billing total in OCI resume?

Postby vyelps » Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:22 pm

Just to reiterate for 0Ls who may be reading this thread- just because your boss asks you to bill something, doesn't mean that you are making money for the firm. SAs are asked to bill so that they get experience keeping track of their time. Time entry is an unattractive part of being a private attorney and most people are not used to it. More often than not, an SA's time will be written off by the firm (even for rising 3Ls). Also, even if that wasn't the case, it would remain a poor idea. The total # of hours billed tells you nothing about the quality of work product or the efficiency with which you worked. Most firms recognize that they will lose money on a junior attorney the first few years as we are horribly inefficient compared to seasoned attorney. OP may be remarkably good at what he does but I think this is a bad idea for most people in most situations.

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Re: Include 1L summer billing total in OCI resume?

Postby Stringer6 » Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:28 pm

Um, that's a pretty legitimate question. I go to a school which ranked only 14 spots above UCH (i.e. a peer school) and very, very few people got good firm jobs after 1L. It too was wondering what kind of firm OP is working at; talking up your billables when you're shuffling papers at a 4-person insurance defense shop in Daly City doesn't really seem like an overwhelmingly necessary thing to do.


so you, like the poster I commented on, should ask the OP "where do you work?"

you know, politely, like normal people.

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Re: Include 1L summer billing total in OCI resume?

Postby clintonius » Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:54 pm

Matthies wrote:
disco_barred wrote:
Matthies wrote:
vanwinkle wrote:I'm going to put on my resume that I showed up for work on time every day at my last job, and only showed up drunk once or twice.
Where your going to school ypou can show up drunk to the interview, call the managing female partner honey and shoot finger guns at her with a wink on your way out and still get an offer.
How do you know what school he's going to?
I'm all knowing

Although vanwinkle's avatar did throw him off the trail for a while.

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Re: Include 1L summer billing total in OCI resume?

Postby Matthies » Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:30 pm

SoftBoiledLife wrote:
Stringer6 wrote:
Don't you go to Hastings? Where were you billing these hours, the city attorney's?


what inside your soul makes you to write something like this? did you never live up to your father's expectations, or did mommy yell at you too much when you were 12?

Um, that's a pretty legitimate question. I go to a school which ranked only 14 spots above UCH (i.e. a peer school) and very, very few people got good firm jobs after 1L. It too was wondering what kind of firm OP is working at; talking up your billables when you're shuffling papers at a 4-person insurance defense shop in Daly City doesn't really seem like an overwhelmingly necessary thing to do.


Suffling papers only really gets billed to the cleint for summer SA's at BIGlaw!

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Re: Include 1L summer billing total in OCI resume?

Postby Matthies » Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:33 pm

disco_barred wrote:
SoftBoiledLife wrote:Can someone spoil Guerilla Tactics for me so I don't have to buy/read it? Other than "get good grades, go to a good law school, send out resumes, write good cover letters," I'm really not sure what kind of helpful and apposite information the book could contain.


*drools over the word apposite again*

It actually doesn't talk about grades or law school much; it's largely a book designed to get jobs in spite of those two factors. It focuses on sort of the theory of selling yourself, the things to think about, the manner to approach the job hunt. It is quite wordy, and hard to distill into digestible chunks. It's the kind of book you read and think "this is all common sense" but if will (hopefully) focus your common sense into a productive and overt channel.


pretty much. If someone did not get a summer SA 1L or god forbid 2L then the book is proabaly going to help them. Its pretty much common sense, but that seems to be lacking in most law students. its basiclly what your CSO would tell you if people actually listened to them and not thier classmates on advice how to land a job.




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