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so when a firm at OCI says 3.0 or higher required

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:30 pm

are they just being nice? i guess what i am getting at is do these firms actually hire anyone outside the top 15%? looking on NALP, some of these firms still have decently high salaries both for 2ls and associates. they also have generous offerings to 2l summer associates for full time positions.

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Re: so when a firm at OCI says 3.0 or higher required

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:40 pm

We had the same issue. My school gave bidding guidelines that I found somewhat optimistic given the decrease in class sizes. Actual callback GPA might be a good bit higher depending on the firm and the school.

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Re: so when a firm at OCI says 3.0 or higher required

Postby Kohinoor » Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:45 pm

Anonymous User wrote:are they just being nice? i guess what i am getting at is do these firms actually hire anyone outside the top 15%? looking on NALP, some of these firms still have decently high salaries both for 2ls and associates. they also have generous offerings to 2l summer associates for full time positions.

Your school has the exact data of who was hired where. Ask to look at it.

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Re: so when a firm at OCI says 3.0 or higher required

Postby General Tso » Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:47 pm

At Hastings, MoFo lists top 25% required...how legit is that? I would have thought 5-10% for a firm that size

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Re: so when a firm at OCI says 3.0 or higher required

Postby weee » Wed Jun 23, 2010 2:35 pm

They all sound "legit" to me, they could say top 50% required and only hire top 5% and it wouldn't be contradictory, if you don't make the cut they won't look at you at all guaranteed, that's all it means to me. Maybe they would be willing to hire a 3.0 if they were otherwise exceptional and somehow got lucky enough to get the interview in the first place.

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Re: so when a firm at OCI says 3.0 or higher required

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:28 pm

General Tso wrote:At Hastings, MoFo lists top 25% required...how legit is that? I would have thought 5-10% for a firm that size


my thoughts exactly

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Re: so when a firm at OCI says 3.0 or higher required

Postby ohnowtf » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:51 pm

I was told by my adviser that they are suggestions more than hard-fast rules. obviously, if they say top 10% and you are top 25% its prob not worth your time...but if you are top 23% and the firm says top 20% it is very well worth your time.

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Re: so when a firm at OCI says 3.0 or higher required

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 24, 2010 3:15 pm

Cutoffs listed on Symplicity are useless.

At my T14 there is a mid-size Atlanta firm that lists "Top 10% required." The firm regularly takes people below median. There is also a V25 DC firm that says "B+ average or better" that you'd probably need top 10% to have any chance at.

A lot of firms seem to list the same "cutoff" at every school (like top 10% or top 25%) but definitely aren't sticking to it at the top schools.

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Re: so when a firm at OCI says 3.0 or higher required

Postby Kohinoor » Thu Jun 24, 2010 3:56 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Cutoffs listed on Symplicity are useless.

At my T14 there is a mid-size Atlanta firm that lists "Top 10% required." The firm regularly takes people below median. There is also a V25 DC firm that says "B+ average or better" that you'd probably need top 10% to have any chance at.

A lot of firms seem to list the same "cutoff" at every school (like top 10% or top 25%) but definitely aren't sticking to it at the top schools.
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Re: so when a firm at OCI says 3.0 or higher required

Postby eth3n » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:42 pm

General Tso wrote:At Hastings, MoFo lists top 25% required...how legit is that? I would have thought 5-10% for a firm that size

Anonymous User wrote:A lot of firms seem to list the same "cutoff" at every school (like top 10% or top 25%) but definitely aren't sticking to it at the top schools.


Strange, at Davis I don't see any top 25% required for MoFo... >_>

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Re: so when a firm at OCI says 3.0 or higher required

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:48 pm

eth3n wrote:
General Tso wrote:At Hastings, MoFo lists top 25% required...how legit is that? I would have thought 5-10% for a firm that size

Anonymous User wrote:A lot of firms seem to list the same "cutoff" at every school (like top 10% or top 25%) but definitely aren't sticking to it at the top schools.


Strange, at Davis I don't see any top 25% required for MoFo... >_>


All 3 MOFO postings on Simplicity (IP [also requires technical background], SF, Palo Alto) say top 25% preferred, Moot Court preferred, Journal preferred.

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Re: so when a firm at OCI says 3.0 or higher required

Postby nealric » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:50 pm

Don't pay too much attention to those. They often have little basis in reality. A lot of firms that asked for "B or higher" when I did OCI were actually looking for 3.5+.

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Re: so when a firm at OCI says 3.0 or higher required

Postby General Tso » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:11 pm

eth3n wrote:
General Tso wrote:At Hastings, MoFo lists top 25% required...how legit is that? I would have thought 5-10% for a firm that size

Anonymous User wrote:A lot of firms seem to list the same "cutoff" at every school (like top 10% or top 25%) but definitely aren't sticking to it at the top schools.


Strange, at Davis I don't see any top 25% required for MoFo... >_>


how many employers are coming to Davis OCI? Up from last year?

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Re: so when a firm at OCI says 3.0 or higher required

Postby Kohinoor » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:47 pm

I could imagine a firm being legit when they say 3.0 or higher. Some firms aren't necessarily even looking for top 50% depending on the rank of your school.

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Re: so when a firm at OCI says 3.0 or higher required

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:39 pm

Ack my bad, I was looking at last year OCI, apparently we cant see ours until the 1st

General Tso wrote:how many employers are coming to Davis OCI? Up from last year?

Im hoping we break double digits :D

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Re: so when a firm at OCI says 3.0 or higher required

Postby tomwelling » Thu Jul 01, 2010 4:08 pm

Skadden is coming to Notre Dame and has no requirements listed at all. Though that may be because no one has a shot anyway.

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Re: so when a firm at OCI says 3.0 or higher required

Postby nealric » Thu Jul 01, 2010 4:11 pm

I could imagine a firm being legit when they say 3.0 or higher. Some firms aren't necessarily even looking for top 50% depending on the rank of your school.


In the current economy, this really only applies to schools that give traditional grades (i.e. HYS).

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Re: so when a firm at OCI says 3.0 or higher required

Postby General Tso » Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:05 pm

tomwelling wrote:Skadden is coming to Notre Dame and has no requirements listed at all. Though that may be because no one has a shot anyway.


Exactly...Paul Hastings and a few other megafirms did exactly the same for Hastings OCI

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Re: so when a firm at OCI says 3.0 or higher required

Postby BunkMoreland » Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:21 pm

so where is the "real deal" data on this stuff? Only in our CSO?

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Re: so when a firm at OCI says 3.0 or higher required

Postby Kohinoor » Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:15 pm

BunkMoreland wrote:so where is the "real deal" data on this stuff? Only in our CSO?

Yup. Your classmates probably have acquired copies through illicit means so ask around.




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