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At best, straight Ps at YLS probably lands you a job at a:

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18%
V10
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V25
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27%
Hell If I Know
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43%
 
Total votes: 82

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby RVP11 » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:15 am

dbt wrote:
RVP11 wrote:ITT: people underestimate the strength of YLS.

Top 85%????????????? GUFFAW. Try 100% of the class. As for YLS people going to Cadwalader, that probably has a lot more to do with poor interviewing skills (omg aspie) than with the fact that some YLS people have straight Ps.


Hey if you've got the stats that's awesome news. I'd love to know that YLS is so amazing that while CCN median kids are hoping to get a firm job, YLS below median are sitting pretty on Skadden offers. But that is a significant difference in placement power. It would be awe-inspiring.


YLS below "median" can get Skadden.

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby dbt » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:16 am

RVP11 wrote:
dbt wrote:
RVP11 wrote:ITT: people underestimate the strength of YLS.

Top 85%????????????? GUFFAW. Try 100% of the class. As for YLS people going to Cadwalader, that probably has a lot more to do with poor interviewing skills (omg aspie) than with the fact that some YLS people have straight Ps.


Hey if you've got the stats that's awesome news. I'd love to know that YLS is so amazing that while CCN median kids are hoping to get a firm job, YLS below median are sitting pretty on Skadden offers. But that is a significant difference in placement power. It would be awe-inspiring.


YLS below "median" can get Skadden.


Lol. Restating your conclusion is not going to change anything. But again, it'd be cool if it's true.

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby doyleoil » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:18 am

RVP11 wrote:
dbt wrote:
RVP11 wrote:ITT: people underestimate the strength of YLS.

Top 85%????????????? GUFFAW. Try 100% of the class. As for YLS people going to Cadwalader, that probably has a lot more to do with poor interviewing skills (omg aspie) than with the fact that some YLS people have straight Ps.


Hey if you've got the stats that's awesome news. I'd love to know that YLS is so amazing that while CCN median kids are hoping to get a firm job, YLS below median are sitting pretty on Skadden offers. But that is a significant difference in placement power. It would be awe-inspiring.


YLS below "median" can get Skadden.


i don't doubt this - i also don't doubt that a solid percentage of those will cower at the sight of real work and be wandering a redwood forest approx. 18 months post-graduation

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby RVP11 » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:18 am

My conclusion is backed up by what I know about Skadden's selectivity at my school + what I know about YLS's placement power through anecdotal evidence + how employers probably look at YLS transcripts. I don't have any data to support my conclusion, just as no one has any that negates it.

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby dresden doll » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:18 am

dbt wrote:The callbacks listed reflect those who accepted a callback invitation, not those to whom invitations were extended. lol @ you.

Really? That sounds odd.


To say the least.

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:20 am

doyleoil wrote:and exactly what happened to the three who went on callbacks but didn't get offers?


one ended up landing a prestigious appellate clerkship with some Romanian misogynist out in California, the other is now a Skadden Fellow (ironically enough), and the third is an associate at Wachtell.*






* the stories described herein may or may not be true.

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Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:21 am

:P

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby doyleoil » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:23 am

Anonymous User wrote::P


does the misogynist enjoy long walks amongst the redwoods?

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby dbt » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:23 am

RVP11 wrote:My conclusion is backed up by what I know about Skadden's selectivity at my school + what I know about YLS's placement power through anecdotal evidence + how employers probably look at YLS transcripts. I don't have any data to support my conclusion, just as no one has any that negates it.


What school (or range if you're uncomfortable with name) are you at, and what's the selectivity data?

Edit: And FWIW, Skadden neither was on the most selective list for NYU, nor was it one of the firms that had the nuts to try and move into the most selective range last year. But OCS did suggest that it's a firm that hires at the top of the next highest range...so if that's true, it would be somewhere between top 25-35%.

I could see Yale below median getting Skadden then. But I doubt it would dip far below median. That's just a huge difference in placement power between Yale and NYU...and NYU did pretty damn well this last year compared to peer schools.
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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby RVP11 » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:26 am

dbt wrote:
RVP11 wrote:My conclusion is backed up by what I know about Skadden's selectivity at my school + what I know about YLS's placement power through anecdotal evidence + how employers probably look at YLS transcripts. I don't have any data to support my conclusion, just as no one has any that negates it.


What school (or range if you're uncomfortable with name) are you at, and what's the selectivity data?


MVPB. Can't give you the data, but I can say that it supports the conclusion that below "median" (whatever that is) at YLS could get Skadden pre-ITE and probably still can.

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:27 am

So far we've learned the following:

1) Straight Ps at Yale may or may not constitute "below median"
2) A Yale student with straight Ps may or may not land a summer job with Skadden, Arps
3) Skadden, Arps is probably not the most selective law firm in existence

Hooray, Us!

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby RVP11 » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:29 am

Anonymous User wrote:So far we've learned the following:

1) Straight Ps at Yale may or may not constitute "below median"
2) A Yale student with straight Ps may or may not land a summer job with Skadden, Arps
3) Skadden, Arps is probably not the most selective law firm in existence

Hooray, Us!


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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby Hiei » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:29 am

dbt wrote:
RVP11 wrote:My conclusion is backed up by what I know about Skadden's selectivity at my school + what I know about YLS's placement power through anecdotal evidence + how employers probably look at YLS transcripts. I don't have any data to support my conclusion, just as no one has any that negates it.


What school (or range if you're uncomfortable with name) are you at, and what's the selectivity data?


He's at UVA--and I almost never agree with him but he's dead on on this one (I know what he's talking about in terms of the data he's basing this on as well).

Also keep in mind that the gap between HYS and CCN (although I highly debate the idea of NYU being grouped with CC when it comes to nationwide as well as clerkship/government placement) is larger than any other one step gap in the top 14 (ie bigger than the gap between CC MVPB or MVPB and DCGN). The placement stats reflect this. You're heavily underestimating Yale's placement power.

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby dbt » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:29 am

RVP11 wrote:
dbt wrote:
RVP11 wrote:My conclusion is backed up by what I know about Skadden's selectivity at my school + what I know about YLS's placement power through anecdotal evidence + how employers probably look at YLS transcripts. I don't have any data to support my conclusion, just as no one has any that negates it.


What school (or range if you're uncomfortable with name) are you at, and what's the selectivity data?


MVPB. Can't give you the data, but I can say that it supports the conclusion that below "median" (whatever that is) at YLS could get Skadden pre-ITE and probably still can.


Well, as to median, Yale may not say that it ranks students, but employers are differentiating between students (even at Yale) in one way or another. I imagine they have historical data to get an idea of where straight P's places you in the class.

And pre-ITE is massively different than ITE, such that I wouldn't be comfortable extrapolating from pre-ITE data. But as I said in my earlier post, I think you're right that below median (though not far) could get Skadden now.

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby dbt » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:30 am

Hiei wrote:
dbt wrote:
RVP11 wrote:My conclusion is backed up by what I know about Skadden's selectivity at my school + what I know about YLS's placement power through anecdotal evidence + how employers probably look at YLS transcripts. I don't have any data to support my conclusion, just as no one has any that negates it.


What school (or range if you're uncomfortable with name) are you at, and what's the selectivity data?


He's at UVA--and I almost never agree with him but he's dead on on this one (I know what he's talking about in terms of the data he's basing this on as well).

Also keep in mind that the gap between HYS and CCN (although I highly debate the idea of NYU being grouped with CC when it comes to nationwide as well as clerkship/government placement) is larger than any other one step gap in the top 14 (ie bigger than the gap between CC MVPB or MVPB and DCGN). The placement stats reflect this. You're heavily underestimating Yale's placement power.


This is really cool to hear.

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby dresden doll » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:32 am

dbt wrote: NYU did pretty damn well this last year compared to peer schools.


The '70-75 percent of our students got jobs from OCI' meme has been assiduously circulated by the OCS at both Chi and CLS. Just sayin'.

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:33 am

RVP11 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:So far we've learned the following:

1) Straight Ps at Yale may or may not constitute "below median"
2) A Yale student with straight Ps may or may not land a summer job with Skadden, Arps
3) Skadden, Arps is probably not the most selective law firm in existence

Hooray, Us!


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5) There may or may not be more to learn.
6) The aforementioned list is likely to expand.

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby dbt » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:33 am

dresden doll wrote:
dbt wrote: NYU did pretty damn well this last year compared to peer schools.


The '70-75 percent of our students got jobs from OCI' meme has been assiduously circulated by the OCS at both Chi and CLS. Just sayin'.


Well, to be honest, I put NYU somewhere below Chi and CLS. So peer schools are some weird combo of MVPB and CC. But yea, from what I'd heard, NYU did 70%, Columbia 67%, hadn't heard about Chicago.
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Postby 12262010 » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:34 am

dresden doll wrote:
dbt wrote: NYU did pretty damn well this last year compared to peer schools.


The '70-75 percent of our students got jobs from OCI' meme has been assiduously circulated by the OCS at both Chi and CLS. Just sayin'.


I believe 67.5% of our students who did EIP got at least one offer.

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby doyleoil » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:35 am

Hiei wrote:the gap
any other one step gap
The placement stats


you grab a lot of words out of the air

but at least you know how to put them together into sentences, i'll say that much for you

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby Hiei » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:36 am

dbt wrote:
Hiei wrote:
dbt wrote:
RVP11 wrote:My conclusion is backed up by what I know about Skadden's selectivity at my school + what I know about YLS's placement power through anecdotal evidence + how employers probably look at YLS transcripts. I don't have any data to support my conclusion, just as no one has any that negates it.


What school (or range if you're uncomfortable with name) are you at, and what's the selectivity data?


He's at UVA--and I almost never agree with him but he's dead on on this one (I know what he's talking about in terms of the data he's basing this on as well).

Also keep in mind that the gap between HYS and CCN (although I highly debate the idea of NYU being grouped with CC when it comes to nationwide as well as clerkship/government placement) is larger than any other one step gap in the top 14 (ie bigger than the gap between CC MVPB or MVPB and DCGN). The placement stats reflect this. You're heavily underestimating Yale's placement power.


This is really cool to hear.


LOL you may not like it but it's the truth. Look at the difference in the hiring rates between HYS and CCN at the uber elite firms (Munger, Williams and Connolly, Wachtell, Jenner and Block DC, Kellog Huber, Covington DC--it's much larger than the other placement gaps in the top 14).

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby doyleoil » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:36 am

Anonymous User wrote:
RVP11 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:So far we've learned the following:

1) Straight Ps at Yale may or may not constitute "below median"
2) A Yale student with straight Ps may or may not land a summer job with Skadden, Arps
3) Skadden, Arps is probably not the most selective law firm in existence

Hooray, Us!


4) People who shouldn't post anonymously post anonymously


5) There may or may not be more to learn.
6) The aforementioned list is likely to expand.


7) i wish emmyd was back

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby dbt » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:37 am

LOL you may not like it but it's the truth. Look at the difference in the hiring rates between HYS and CCN at the uber elite firms (Munger, Williams and Connolly, Wachtell, Jenner and Block DC, Kellog Huber, Covington DC--it's much larger than the other placement gaps in the top 14).


Maybe I wasn't clear. I was serious.

It's really cool to hear that Yale is so much better than NYU. I'm trying to transfer.

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby doyleoil » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:38 am

Hiei wrote: the hiring rates


oh, there he goes again - well-done, maestro

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby Hiei » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:39 am

dbt wrote:
LOL you may not like it but it's the truth. Look at the difference in the hiring rates between HYS and CCN at the uber elite firms (Munger, Williams and Connolly, Wachtell, Jenner and Block DC, Kellog Huber, Covington DC--it's much larger than the other placement gaps in the top 14).


Maybe I wasn't clear. I was serious.

It's really cool to hear that Yale is so much better than NYU. I'm trying to transfer.


My mistake; actually for a lot of the firms that I saw you mention you were interested in transferring to HYS may actually not be a bad idea (somewhat sadly in my opinion-- at a certain point people should just respect performance).

oh, there he goes again - well-done, maestro


LOL doyel is a funny guy.




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