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At best, straight Ps at YLS probably lands you a job at a:

V5
15
18%
V10
10
12%
V25
22
27%
Hell If I Know
35
43%
 
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Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances - Poll

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:09 pm

I'm at Yale.

My grades are 7 CRs* and 3 Ps

Can I break V50? V25? V10? V5?

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GRADES FOR ALL DEGREE STUDENTS
Honors: Work done in the course is significantly superior to the average level of perfor-
mance in the School.
Pass: Successful performance of the work in the course.
Low Pass: Work done in the course is below the level of performance expected for the
award of a degree.
Credit: The course has been completed satisfactorily; no particular level of performance
is specified.
Failure: No credit is given for the course.

There is no required “curve” for grades in Law School classes.
Individual class rank is not computed.
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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby RVP11 » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:13 pm

Can't imagine straight passing at YLS disqualifies you from any but the most selective firms (WLRK, CSM, S&C, W&C, and the elite boutiques). Wouldn't shock me if you could still get something at one of the less selective V10s or at any V20.

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby Mr. Matlock » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:14 pm

Oh for the love of Christ........

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby doyleoil » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:17 pm

it's a good thing most yale students probably have some internal drive

what a shitty grading system

that said, i've heard cadwalader likes yale students these days

(and to end the sarcasm already, rvp is actually probably right)

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby miamiman » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:20 pm

doyleoil wrote:it's a good thing most yale students probably have some internal drive

what a shitty grading system

that said, i've heard cadwalader likes yale students these days

(and to end the sarcasm already, rvp is actually probably right)

? shitty...

sure it hurts you a little at the top but it bails out everyone else.

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby doyleoil » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:21 pm

miamiman wrote:
doyleoil wrote:it's a good thing most yale students probably have some internal drive

what a shitty grading system

that said, i've heard cadwalader likes yale students these days

(and to end the sarcasm already, rvp is actually probably right)

? shitty...

sure it hurts you a little at the top but it bails out everyone else.


completely missed my point - it's not about who it "hurts" or "helps," as yale students have very little to worry about in that regard

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby miamiman » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:25 pm

doyleoil wrote:
miamiman wrote:
doyleoil wrote:it's a good thing most yale students probably have some internal drive

what a shitty grading system

that said, i've heard cadwalader likes yale students these days

(and to end the sarcasm already, rvp is actually probably right)

? shitty...

sure it hurts you a little at the top but it bails out everyone else.


completely missed my point - it's not about who it "hurts" or "helps," as yale students have very little to worry about in that regard


Why then shitty at all? Or was that lumped into the sarcasm bit about Cadwalader?

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:29 pm

miamiman wrote:
doyleoil wrote:it's a good thing most yale students probably have some internal drive

what a shitty grading system

that said, i've heard cadwalader likes yale students these days

(and to end the sarcasm already, rvp is actually probably right)

? shitty...

sure it hurts you a little at the top but it bails out everyone else.


Not knowing where the hell you stand in the class is particularly shitty. I can be above median (my ass I am), I can be at median (I doubt it), or I can be dead last ( . . . but someone out there must have received an LP. Right? Right? RIGHT????? :( ). I have no clue.

Btw, whenever someone mentions Cadwalader, I immediately think of Cadbury eggs. Delicious.

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby doyleoil » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:33 pm

miamiman wrote:Why then shitty at all?


i know there's a school of thought out there that looks at law school in purely instrumental terms

i don't buy into that bullshit myself

and when it comes to, not just learning the law, but learning how to be (at minimum) a professional in a professional world, a grading system like this has the potential to breed extreme "shirking," to borrow a term from a pretty well-known professor of mine

which is why it's good there's probably plenty of internal drive - but if there's not, well, you probably end up with lawyers like this wack job:

http://abovethelaw.com/2009/05/quinn-em ... n-victory/

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby miamiman » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:34 pm

doyleoil wrote:
miamiman wrote:Why then shitty at all?


i know there's a school of thought out there that looks at law school in purely instrumental terms

i don't buy into that bullshit myself

and when it comes to, not just learning the law, but learning how to be (at minimum) a professional in a professional world, a grading system like this has the potential to breed extreme "shirking," to borrow a term from a pretty well-known professor of mine

which is why it's good there's probably plenty of internal drive - but if there's not, well, you probably end up with lawyers like this wack job:

http://abovethelaw.com/2009/05/quinn-em ... n-victory/


I was praying you linked that article. My far-and-away all time favorite ATL article.

EDIT: the extended bit about repurposing the buffalo is both amusing and genius.

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby legends159 » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:37 pm

If I were OP I would talk to 2L/3L and see what range of firms I realistically should bid on and then do a ton of research on those firms and focus on having a really good interview.

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby thesealocust » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:49 pm

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:53 pm

thesealocust wrote:
RVP11 wrote:Can't imagine straight passing at YLS disqualifies you from any but the most selective firms (WLRK, CSM, S&C, W&C, and the elite boutiques). Wouldn't shock me if you could still get something at one of the less selective V10s or at any V20.


wut? You're kidding, right? Firms do like to see you perform in law school, even from Yale. There are Yale grads upand down the V100, I'm sure the 'lower' end firms with Yale grads are the ones w/o many Hs. Since Hs are discretionary, OP's performance is very likely bottom of the class. I wouldn't be surprised if big law were possible, but dude is NOT getting Skadden with straight Cr/P grades.


H's are indeed discretionary. And YLS professors are a bunch of pushovers.

thesealocust wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if big law were possible


How are you defining big law? Serious question. Do I have a shot at V50?

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby Mr. Matlock » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:57 pm

Damn I'm old. I hear Cadwalader and all I can think of is this:

--ImageRemoved--

A V100 position for the first person to name that movie.

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby thesealocust » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:57 pm

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby 12262010 » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:58 pm

DIAF

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby smashedpumpkins » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:59 pm

thesealocust wrote:
To be honest, I've always wondered about this. I don't go to Yale, I think you really need to have Career services talk with you. My gut says the outlook is bad. There's just nothing distinguishing you, and every firm is having to make cuts. I mean it's still Yale, but not having a single thing going for you will make you stand out like a sore thumb.



Except for, you know, the fact that s/he got into Yale.

OP: I seriously haven't heard of any Yalies having difficulties, even ITE. Check with OCS and 3Ls.

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:02 pm

booyakasha wrote:DIAF


Although beggars can't typically be choosers, I'll pass on Latham.

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby 12262010 » Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:03 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
booyakasha wrote:DIAF


Although beggars can't typically be choosers, I'll pass on Latham.


how bout DLA Piper?

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby RVP11 » Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:05 pm

thesealocust wrote:
RVP11 wrote:Can't imagine straight passing at YLS disqualifies you from any but the most selective firms (WLRK, CSM, S&C, W&C, and the elite boutiques). Wouldn't shock me if you could still get something at one of the less selective V10s or at any V20.


wut? You're kidding, right? Firms do like to see you perform in law school, even from Yale. There are Yale grads up and down the V100, I'm sure the 'lower' end firms with Yale grads are the ones w/o many Hs. Since Hs are discretionary (i.e. no limit per course), OP's performance is very likely bottom of the class. I wouldn't be surprised if big law were possible, but dude is NOT getting Skadden with straight Cr/P grades.


Would it be better if I responded with "ENJOY DLA PIPER, BETA!"...?

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby romothesavior » Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:06 pm

miamiman wrote:
I was praying you linked that article. My far-and-away all time favorite ATL article.

EDIT: the extended bit about repurposing the buffalo is both amusing and genius.


Reading that actually makes me uncomfortable because it is so unbelievably awkward. I have never seen such an incredible case of social awkwardness... it honestly makes me wonder if that email exchange was real. I was more professional and well put-together at 14 than this dude is now, and I was a little shitstick when I was 14.

This makes me feel very optimistic about my employment prospects. Hopefully all my peers are this socially inept! :D (kidding... sort of)

PS. I also didn't know anyone uses more parentheticals than I do. I'm shocked.

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby miamiman » Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:10 pm

romothesavior wrote:
miamiman wrote:
I was praying you linked that article. My far-and-away all time favorite ATL article.

EDIT: the extended bit about repurposing the buffalo is both amusing and genius.


Reading that actually makes me uncomfortable because it is so unbelievably awkward. I have never seen such an incredible case of social awkwardness... it honestly makes me wonder if that email exchange was real. I was more professional and well put-together at 14 than this dude is now, and I was a little shitstick when I was 14.

This makes me feel very optimistic about my employment prospects. Hopefully all my peers are this socially inept! :D (kidding... sort of)

PS. I also didn't know anyone uses more parentheticals than I do. I'm shocked.


No, social awkwardness is unique to YLS grads who work at Quinn and who are ultimately fired for failing the CA bar (3 times). That, unfortunately, makes for a small subset of "aspies" in biglaw.

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby 12262010 » Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:12 pm

my favorite Quinn Emanuel post on ATL is "CHECK YOU EMAIL."

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Re: Straight Passing at YLS: OCI Chances

Postby doyleoil » Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:15 pm

booyakasha wrote:my favorite Quinn Emanuel post on ATL is "CHECK YOU EMAIL."


i'm partial to the one that (immediately and almost certainly correctly) calls out this dude as a bottom-25%'er at hys

if i'm remembering right atl did eventually reveal that the guy was from yale

edit: ohhhh, post, not comment on this post - my bad - yeah that one was pretty funny too




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