B-plus avg (~Top 33%) at Fordham. What are my OCI chances?

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B-plus avg (~Top 33%) at Fordham. What are my OCI chances?

Postby Timothy Wreck » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:48 pm

I'd appreciate predictions and advice. How should I bid?
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Re: B-plus average (~33%) at Fordham. What are my OCI chances?

Postby MrKappus » Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:24 pm

Edit: I read B-plus as B-minus. Because apparently I'm illiterate. My bad.
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Re: B-plus average (~33%) at Fordham. What are my OCI chances?

Postby Scallywaggums » Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:27 pm

I sorta gathered that class rank was top X unless explicitly stated otherwise. Is this wrong?

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Re: B-plus average (~33%) at Fordham. What are my OCI chances?

Postby thesealocust » Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:52 pm

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Re: B-plus average (~33%) at Fordham. What are my OCI chances?

Postby Scallywaggums » Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:13 pm

thesealocust wrote:What are you talking about?

"33%" = "top 33%" unless you explicitly say "bottom 33%"
Is this generally the case or no?

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Re: B-plus average (~33%) at Fordham. What are my OCI chances?

Postby thesealocust » Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:29 pm

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Re: B-plus average (~33%) at Fordham. What are my OCI chances?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:41 pm

Timothy Wreck wrote:I'd appreciate predictions and advice. How should I bid?


I'd bid on any firms that don't "prefer" candidates that are in the top 25%. In an NYC OCI program , ITE, I doubt you have that many options.

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Re: B-plus average (~33%) at Fordham. What are my OCI chances?

Postby clintonius » Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:00 pm

thesealocust wrote:
Scallywaggums wrote:
thesealocust wrote:What are you talking about?
"33%" = "top 33%" unless you explicitly say "bottom 33%"
Is this generally the case or no?
Well, a B+ average wouldn't be bottom 33% at any school in the country by a long shot, so the context makes it obvious. There's no common parlance, but your percentile rank is pretty meaningless at most schools once it's under 50, so...

He was replying to the previous poster?

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Re: B-plus average (~33%) at Fordham. What are my OCI chances?

Postby MrKappus » Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:04 pm

Top third at the third best LS in New York, let alone all the T14 people trying to get into the NYC market. Good luck. You'll need it.

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Re: B-plus average (~33%) at Fordham. What are my OCI chances?

Postby Bankhead » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:25 am

In a better economy, your rank would probably be enough. Now, I doubt it. Bid as conservatively as possible. Ask your CSO for recommendations. Fordham's CSO is supposed to be pretty good, I understand.

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Re: B-plus average (~33%) at Fordham. What are my OCI chances?

Postby OperaSoprano » Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:03 am

Bankhead wrote:In a better economy, your rank would probably be enough. Now, I doubt it. Bid as conservatively as possible. Ask your CSO for recommendations. Fordham's CSO is supposed to be pretty good, I understand.


Accurate re: past placement and speculation about this year's OCI. OP, you should go to "Getting to 35". There is another one next week, and I hear it's supposed to be helpful.

Also, I think I am the last person at Fordham not to have grades.

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Re: B-plus avg (~Top 33%) at Fordham. What are my OCI chances?

Postby Timothy Wreck » Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:09 am

Thanks everyone for your thoughts. And, yes, I meant that I'm at the top third of the class, though barely.

What are the expected grade cutoffs for the different levels of V100 and ALJ 250 that are coming to Fordham's OCI?

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Re: B-plus avg (~Top 33%) at Fordham. What are my OCI chances?

Postby VictoryFord » Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:53 am

I don't believe they gave us that information.

Assuming good bidding, I figure top 10% and anyone on LR can get a V100 job. then maybe half the people inside the top 25% or 33% could get something through OCI. that would be 17-26% of the class getting jobs through OCI which seems reasonable to me.

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Re: B-plus average (~33%) at Fordham. What are my OCI chances?

Postby 98234872348 » Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:56 am

Scallywaggums wrote:
thesealocust wrote:What are you talking about?

"33%" = "top 33%" unless you explicitly say "bottom 33%"
Is this generally the case or no?

Dear 0L

STAY OF OUT OF LEGAL EMPLOYMENT FORUM.

For god's sake.

Thanks,

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Re: B-plus avg (~Top 33%) at Fordham. What are my OCI chances?

Postby scribelaw » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:03 pm

VictoryFord wrote:I don't believe they gave us that information.

Assuming good bidding, I figure top 10% and anyone on LR can get a V100 job. then maybe half the people inside the top 25% or 33% could get something through OCI. that would be 17-26% of the class getting jobs through OCI which seems reasonable to me.


This is scary.

I don't doubt it's true, but scary. That's three-quarters of the students at a really good law school basically screwed.

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Re: B-plus average (~33%) at Fordham. What are my OCI chances?

Postby vanwinkle » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:07 pm

mistergoft wrote:
Scallywaggums wrote:
thesealocust wrote:What are you talking about?

"33%" = "top 33%" unless you explicitly say "bottom 33%"
Is this generally the case or no?

Dear 0L

STAY OF OUT OF LEGAL EMPLOYMENT FORUM.

For god's sake.

Thanks,

Goft.

:lol:

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Re: B-plus avg (~Top 33%) at Fordham. What are my OCI chances?

Postby Timothy Wreck » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:36 pm

scribelaw wrote:
VictoryFord wrote:I don't believe they gave us that information.

Assuming good bidding, I figure top 10% and anyone on LR can get a V100 job. then maybe half the people inside the top 25% or 33% could get something through OCI. that would be 17-26% of the class getting jobs through OCI which seems reasonable to me.


This is scary.

I don't doubt it's true, but scary. That's three-quarters of the students at a really good law school basically screwed.



So my grades are just good enough to get my hopes up but not good enough to feel comfortable about getting a good job. It's going to be a real roller coaster.

Also, I'm a non-trad of sorts. About 30, with a ph.d. in an anthropology-type field. Any thoughts how this will help/hurt me?

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Re: B-plus avg (~Top 33%) at Fordham. What are my OCI chances?

Postby VictoryFord » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:47 pm

Timothy Wreck wrote:
scribelaw wrote:
VictoryFord wrote:I don't believe they gave us that information.

Assuming good bidding, I figure top 10% and anyone on LR can get a V100 job. then maybe half the people inside the top 25% or 33% could get something through OCI. that would be 17-26% of the class getting jobs through OCI which seems reasonable to me.


This is scary.

I don't doubt it's true, but scary. That's three-quarters of the students at a really good law school basically screwed.



So my grades are just good enough to get my hopes up but not good enough to feel comfortable about getting a good job. It's going to be a real roller coaster.

Also, I'm a non-trad of sorts. About 30, with a ph.d. in an anthropology-type field. Any thoughts how this will help/hurt me?


haha, I know just as much as you, man. That was just off the top of my head anyway. I don't think anyone can be comfortable, even a LR person could bid badly or end up no-offered after the summer. No one is safe, but it seems you have at least some chance. Your age/phd probably won't matter one way or the other, although any given interviewer could like/dislike it.

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Re: B-plus average (~33%) at Fordham. What are my OCI chances?

Postby Scallywaggums » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:56 pm

mistergoft wrote:STAY OF OUT OF LEGAL EMPLOYMENT FORUM.

For god's sake.

Thanks,

Goft.

My initial post answered Mr. Kappus' question, which was whether OP was talking about top or bottom 33%. [edit: the title did not originally contain "top"]
I also asked an innocent question.
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Re: B-plus avg (~Top 33%) at Fordham. What are my OCI chances?

Postby mallard » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:58 pm

You shouldn't bid on any firm you've heard of before.

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Re: B-plus avg (~Top 33%) at Fordham. What are my OCI chances?

Postby KMaine » Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:04 pm

I think your chances are about 50/50. Bid low, interview well. Good luck!

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Re: B-plus avg (~Top 33%) at Fordham. What are my OCI chances?

Postby yesofcourse » Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:07 pm

scribelaw wrote:
VictoryFord wrote:I don't believe they gave us that information.

Assuming good bidding, I figure top 10% and anyone on LR can get a V100 job. then maybe half the people inside the top 25% or 33% could get something through OCI. that would be 17-26% of the class getting jobs through OCI which seems reasonable to me.


This is scary.

I don't doubt it's true, but scary. That's three-quarters of the students at a really good law school basically screwed.


At least from what I have observed from tls, this is no different from many mid/lower T14 schools where most students not in top 33% won't get offers from OCI.




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