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Vandy is a good school, but I want to inject some skepticism ITT.

In the NLJ 2007 and 2008 rankings it was behind all other T14s and USC. In 2008 it was also behind BC.

The main point is that VULS actually made a slight % gain (possibly due to the top of the class choosing biglaw over clerking? wild speculation) and kept its position from the boom. No other school was able to make gains, and almost all others fell. GULC dropped from high 40s to low 40s and Cornell from low 60s to low 40s.

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNL ... hbxlogin=1
http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNL ... 2428438260

The real question is how this will shake out in the future, as the market continues to change. I'm not sure anybody can answer that reliably.

A good point. But keep in mind that placement in clerkships has been enjoying parallel success, and Vandy is now outplacing several t-14's in art. III clerkships as well. Vandy is improving, and not just in placement statistics. Here are Vandy's recent classes' medians:

2010: 167, 3.74
2011: 168, 3.72
2012: 168, 3.71

I believe the median this year will move to 169. Granted, the median at several t14's will probably increase as well, but Vandy's student quality (understood by the numbers) is competitive with the lower t-14s; add a smaller class than most, and broad geographic placement, and I believe these placement trends will continue.

/end of my Vandy trolling

Medians are reflected in rankings but don't mean anything when it comes to employment.

[voice of reason]

Yale is quite the Biglaw TTT

Just for the benefit of anyone reading this thread who doesn't understand why Yale's NLJ250 is similar to much lower-ranked schools: Yale sends a huge number of students to clerkships. These students get biglaw if they want it.

[RisingMichigan3L]

Yale is quite the Biglaw TTT

Just for the benefit of anyone reading this thread who doesn't understand why Yale's NLJ250 is similar to much lower-ranked schools: Yale sends a huge number of students to clerkships. These students get biglaw if they want it.

Man you need to stop sucking Yale's dick. There are people there who wanted biglaw and didn't get it. There are 3 Yalies at Cadwalader this summer. Somehow, if a Yale student is just overloaded with prestigious choices, I doubt they'd take Cadwalader.

[voice of reason]

Yale is quite the Biglaw TTT

Just for the benefit of anyone reading this thread who doesn't understand why Yale's NLJ250 is similar to much lower-ranked schools: Yale sends a huge number of students to clerkships. These students get biglaw if they want it.

Man you need to stop sucking Yale's dick. There are people there who wanted biglaw and didn't get it. There are 3 Yalies at Cadwalader this summer. Somehow, if a Yale student is just overloaded with prestigious choices, I doubt they'd take Cadwalader.

Your comment is way out of bounds. Your example of Yalies at Cadwalader doesn't contradict my statement that they can have biglaw if they want it. People with Yale JDs and Article III clerkships can get biglaw. Yale's NLJ250 placement rate is comparable to Fordham and BC because more Yale graduates take clerkships than any other category of employment. Yale is unique in this respect but it illustrates why looking at NLJ250 placement alone can be misleading. Clearly if you want biglaw, Yale is a lot better than Fordham, but if you read the data naively, you might not understand why.

[Always Credited]

Yale is quite the Biglaw TTT

Just for the benefit of anyone reading this thread who doesn't understand why Yale's NLJ250 is similar to much lower-ranked schools: Yale sends a huge number of students to clerkships. These students get biglaw if they want it.

Man you need to stop sucking Yale's dick. There are people there who wanted biglaw and didn't get it. There are 3 Yalies at Cadwalader this summer. Somehow, if a Yale student is just overloaded with prestigious choices, I doubt they'd take Cadwalader.

This is a depressingly terrible comment, in all the various ways that a comment can be terrible.

[RisingMichigan3L]

Your example of Yalies at Cadwalader doesn't contradict my statement that they can have biglaw if they want it.

Apparently you can't read. The first sentence in my thread does contradict your statement. And I definitely wasn't stating that Yale's biglaw placement is akin to Fordham's. I was stating that not everyone at Yale can get biglaw.

[Mickey Quicknumbers]

Yale is quite the Biglaw TTT

Just for the benefit of anyone reading this thread who doesn't understand why Yale's NLJ250 is similar to much lower-ranked schools: Yale sends a huge number of students to clerkships. These students get biglaw if they want it.

Man you need to stop sucking Yale's dick. There are people there who wanted biglaw and didn't get it. There are 3 Yalies at Cadwalader this summer. Somehow, if a Yale student is just overloaded with prestigious choices, I doubt they'd take Cadwalader.

This is a depressingly terrible comment, in all the various ways that a comment can be terrible.

+1, most fail i've seen in a comment in at least . . . 30 minutes

[romothesavior]

So in order to refute the claim that some Yale students cannot get biglaw, you point out that 3 of them are at Cadwalader? Not to get all LSAT-speak on you, but wow... talk about a proposition not supporting a conclusion.

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[romothesavior]

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[War Cardinal]

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False.

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[blsingindisguise]

It's important not to confuse NLJ 250 placement with "chances at BigLaw". 100% of Yale could get biglaw if they wanted it, but a significant percent of its student body makes other choices (prestigious clerkships, fellowships, govt stuff, boutiques, etc.), many of which are considerably more competitive than getting an NLJ 250 job. The same is probably going to be true of GULC relative to a lower-ranked school with higher NLJ 250 numbers (not that everyone at GULC could get BigLaw, but the chances are probably better than at lower-ranked schools).

[Rawlsian]

It's important not to confuse NLJ 250 placement with "chances at BigLaw". 100% of Yale could get biglaw if they wanted it, but a significant percent of its student body makes other choices (prestigious clerkships, fellowships, govt stuff, boutiques, etc.), many of which are considerably more competitive than getting an NLJ 250 job. The same is probably going to be true of GULC relative to a lower-ranked school with higher NLJ 250 numbers (not that everyone at GULC could get BigLaw, but the chances are probably better than at lower-ranked schools).

I think the bolded part is wrong. The only lower ranked school with higher NLJ numbers than GULC is Vandy;and Vandy does better with Art. III clerkships--the only other career path we can measure. Of course, perhaps GULC does better at PI (I know less than 10% of Vandy goes into PI, I don't know the numbers on GULC).

[Grizz]

Of course, perhaps GULC does better at PI (I know less than 10% of Vandy goes into PI, I don't know the numbers on GULC).

I blame this on Vandy's weak LRAP.

[DanInALionsDen]

Obviously I have some bias here, but I think Georgetown isn't given a fair shake when considering biglaw rankings. Georgetown sends numerically more of its grads to biglaw than any other law school. I think it's pretty impressive that firms want almost 300 GULC grads a year.

[DanInALionsDen]

It's important not to confuse NLJ 250 placement with "chances at BigLaw". 100% of Yale could get biglaw if they wanted it, but a significant percent of its student body makes other choices (prestigious clerkships, fellowships, govt stuff, boutiques, etc.), many of which are considerably more competitive than getting an NLJ 250 job. The same is probably going to be true of GULC relative to a lower-ranked school with higher NLJ 250 numbers (not that everyone at GULC could get BigLaw, but the chances are probably better than at lower-ranked schools).

I think the bolded part is wrong. The only lower ranked school with higher NLJ numbers than GULC is Vandy;and Vandy does better with Art. III clerkships--the only other career path we can measure. Of course, perhaps GULC does better at PI (I know less than 10% of Vandy goes into PI, I don't know the numbers on GULC).

Again, I know the value of my opinion here may be suspect, but I spoke to the career services office at Georgetown and they told me that year after year they have a very difficult time getting students to apply for clerkships, which could affect this statistic. They also told me that many GULC students are unwilling to apply to any circuit court but second and DC. Just some insight I thought I'd throw out there.

[OG Loc]

A good point. But keep in mind that their placement in clerkships has been enjoying parallel success. And Vandy is now outplacing several t-14's in art. III clerkships. Vandy is improving, and not just in placement statistics. Here are Vandy's recent class medians:

2010: 167, 3.74
2011: 168, 3.72
2012: 168, 3.71

I believe the median this year will move to 169. Granted, the median at several t14's will probably increase as well, but Vandy's student quality (understood by the numbers) is competitive with the lower t-14s; add a smaller class than most, and broad geographic placement, and I believe these placement trends will continue.

/end of my Vandy trolling

I might be wrong, but I believe the ABA's change in multiple LSAT reporting policy (taking the high score instead of averaging them) didn't go into effect soon enough for the class of '10 to benefit.

[OG Loc]

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Lol. Your Yale degree does not impress the prestige penguin.

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Lol. Your Yale degree does not impress the prestige penguin.

ahahahahah so poetic.

[Mickey Quicknumbers]

Lol. Your Yale degree does not impress the prestige penguin.

I might be wrong, but I believe the ABA's change in multiple LSAT reporting policy (taking the high score instead of averaging them) didn't go into effect soon enough for the class of '10 to benefit.

Wut?

[Tautology]

If Vandy sold out and took splitters, they could hit 170.

There's nothing wrong with splitters!

[09042014]

If Vandy sold out and took splitters, they could hit 170.

There's nothing wrong with splitters!

We are lazy pieces of shit! But laziness can be cured!

[Grizz]

If Vandy sold out and took splitters, they could hit 170.

There's nothing wrong with splitters!

Except for yalls pitiful GPAs...



kidding!

Seriously though, I agree with DF's sentiment.

[Tautology]

If Vandy sold out and took splitters, they could hit 170.

There's nothing wrong with splitters!

Except for yalls pitiful GPAs...



kidding!

Seriously though, I agree with DF's sentiment.

I agree with DF too, laziness can be cured, especially when you actually care about what you're doing, if that is in contrast to UG. Now all I have to do is prove it.

I just wanted someone to stand up for us.

[09042014]

I agree with DF too, laziness can be cured, especially when you actually care about what you're doing, if that is in contrast to UG. Now all I have to do is prove it.

I just wanted someone to stand up for us.

I have to put up, before I talk shit. But my understanding that is that splitters do very well in law school, but that's a lot of anecdotal evidence.