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Re: Leak your schools OCI data here

Postby Anonymous User » Sun May 16, 2010 10:14 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Added up some figures. Approximately 260 offers were extended to michigan students. That doesn't include overlap, which there was a lot of. Blood-fucking-bath.

Around 30 total offers (not accounting for overlap, which was definitely huge in this group) from V10s.


If that is true, that is fucking horrifying.

I am looking at the CLS stats, and there were 695 offers for 266 accepts, or roughly 2.6 offers per accept. 153 offers in the V10 for 77 accepts. Assume it's a little lower at Michigan, maybe 2 offers per accept.

If there were 260 total offers, that's 130 people, or just over a third of the class. If the number of offers/accept is more than two that number goes even lower.

Are you sure those status don't include overlap?


Only 260 total offers? That doesn't seem right at all. Considering there were, what, well over 500 firms at OCI, to think that only half or less made offers? Yea, that just doesn't make sense, unless I'm completely clueless as to how OCI works. That number sounds much more like total students, not total offers...


Definitely weren't 500+ at OCI unless you count each office as a firm. It was under 300, and I am pretty sure it was under 200.

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Re: Leak your schools OCI data here

Postby hubtubrub » Sun May 16, 2010 10:17 pm

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hubtubrub wrote:can someone explain what this means to a 0L? I'm sorry I'm stupid... why is mich stat's bad?


Someone claimed there were 260 total offers at Michigan OCI. But, they are not evenly distributed - people at the top of the class typically get many offers, whereas people at the bottom often get none.

Someone else tried to estimate overlap by comparing to CLS stats. From this, they estimated 130 students received the 260 offers.

If these stats and estimations are correct, that would mean about 35%-40% of the Michigan class recieved offers through OCI. This would be really bad because that is much, much lower than previous years. If you do not receive offers through OCI, chances are you are effectively shut out of biglaw.


thanks. damn tho, that sucks....

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Re: Leak your schools OCI data here

Postby Anonymous User » Sun May 16, 2010 10:20 pm

hubtubrub wrote:
imchuckbass58 wrote:
hubtubrub wrote:can someone explain what this means to a 0L? I'm sorry I'm stupid... why is mich stat's bad?


Someone claimed there were 260 total offers at Michigan OCI. But, they are not evenly distributed - people at the top of the class typically get many offers, whereas people at the bottom often get none.

Someone else tried to estimate overlap by comparing to CLS stats. From this, they estimated 130 students received the 260 offers.

If these stats and estimations are correct, that would mean about 35%-40% of the Michigan class recieved offers through OCI. This would be really bad because that is much, much lower than previous years. If you do not receive offers through OCI, chances are you are effectively shut out of biglaw.


thanks. damn tho, that sucks....


There are MLR members without a firm job for the summer. There are 3.85+ people without one. Michigan got fucked.

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Re: Leak your schools OCI data here

Postby hubtubrub » Sun May 16, 2010 10:21 pm

i wonder what this means for cornell, penn, uva, and gtown (which I imagine got the worse of everything cuz of it's big class size)....

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Re: Leak your schools OCI data here

Postby starstruck393 » Sun May 16, 2010 10:22 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Added up some figures. Approximately 260 offers were extended to michigan students. That doesn't include overlap, which there was a lot of. Blood-fucking-bath.

Around 30 total offers (not accounting for overlap, which was definitely huge in this group) from V10s.


If that is true, that is fucking horrifying.

I am looking at the CLS stats, and there were 695 offers for 266 accepts, or roughly 2.6 offers per accept. 153 offers in the V10 for 77 accepts. Assume it's a little lower at Michigan, maybe 2 offers per accept.

If there were 260 total offers, that's 130 people, or just over a third of the class. If the number of offers/accept is more than two that number goes even lower.

Are you sure those status don't include overlap?


Only 260 total offers? That doesn't seem right at all. Considering there were, what, well over 500 firms at OCI, to think that only half or less made offers? Yea, that just doesn't make sense, unless I'm completely clueless as to how OCI works. That number sounds much more like total students, not total offers...


Definitely weren't 500+ at OCI unless you count each office as a firm. It was under 300, and I am pretty sure it was under 200.


I guess I would count separate offices. But I didn't think it fell that much. There were over 700 firms at OCI the year before. I'm pretty sure a 2L said there was something like 500 different offices this past fall. I'll see if I can dig up the post...

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Re: Leak your schools OCI data here

Postby Anonymous User » Sun May 16, 2010 10:23 pm

hubtubrub wrote:i wonder what this means for cornell, penn, uva, and gtown (which I imagine got the worse of everything cuz of it's big class size)....


Penn did better, given its proximity to NYC. Michigan relies mostly on Chicago (and Detroit for the small section of its class that wants to stay in Michigan.) Chicago was pretty awful. Chicago firms didn't really show up to NYU/CLS, but a lot of them didn't show up to M either, and those that did, it was extremely competitive.

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Re: Leak your schools OCI data here

Postby starstruck393 » Sun May 16, 2010 10:23 pm

hubtubrub wrote:i wonder what this means for cornell, penn, uva, and gtown (which I imagine got the worse of everything cuz of it's big class size)....


If Michigan had it that bad, I'm sure they did as well...

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Re: Leak your schools OCI data here

Postby dk8 » Sun May 16, 2010 10:24 pm

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There are MLR members without a firm job for the summer. There are 3.85+ people without one. Michigan got fucked.


that's horrible. do you think this could have been due to over aggressive bidding?

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Re: Leak your schools OCI data here

Postby starstruck393 » Sun May 16, 2010 10:25 pm

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hubtubrub wrote:i wonder what this means for cornell, penn, uva, and gtown (which I imagine got the worse of everything cuz of it's big class size)....


Penn did better, given its proximity to NYC. Michigan relies mostly on Chicago (and Detroit for the small section of its class that wants to stay in Michigan.) Chicago was pretty awful. Chicago firms didn't really show up to NYU/CLS, but a lot of them didn't show up to M either, and those that did, it was extremely competitive.


No, NYC is Michigan's top market. Chicago is like second or third...

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Re: Leak your schools OCI data here

Postby Anonymous User » Sun May 16, 2010 10:26 pm

dk8 wrote:
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There are MLR members without a firm job for the summer. There are 3.85+ people without one. Michigan got fucked.


that's horrible. do you think this could have been due to over aggressive bidding?


Honestly, what is "over-aggressive bidding" with 30 bids for someone with that kind of GPA/MLR? If they can't bid the V25, who can?

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Re: Leak your schools OCI data here

Postby dk8 » Sun May 16, 2010 10:27 pm

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dk8 wrote:
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There are MLR members without a firm job for the summer. There are 3.85+ people without one. Michigan got fucked.


that's horrible. do you think this could have been due to over aggressive bidding?


Honestly, what is "over-aggressive bidding" with 30 bids for someone with that kind of GPA/MLR? If they can't bid the V25, who can?


yeah i see what you are saying. didn't mean to imply that what they did was illogical or stupid.

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Re: Leak your schools OCI data here

Postby Anonymous User » Sun May 16, 2010 10:27 pm

starstruck393 wrote:
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hubtubrub wrote:i wonder what this means for cornell, penn, uva, and gtown (which I imagine got the worse of everything cuz of it's big class size)....


Penn did better, given its proximity to NYC. Michigan relies mostly on Chicago (and Detroit for the small section of its class that wants to stay in Michigan.) Chicago was pretty awful. Chicago firms didn't really show up to NYU/CLS, but a lot of them didn't show up to M either, and those that did, it was extremely competitive.


No, NYC is Michigan's top market. Chicago is like second or third...


This may be true, but OCS has definitely said otherwise. That being said, OCS has lied about everything else, so I don't doubt this. They definitely steered everyone to Chicago, as that's "our market!"

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Re: Leak your schools OCI data here

Postby Anonymous User » Sun May 16, 2010 10:28 pm

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hubtubrub wrote:
imchuckbass58 wrote:
hubtubrub wrote:can someone explain what this means to a 0L? I'm sorry I'm stupid... why is mich stat's bad?


Someone claimed there were 260 total offers at Michigan OCI. But, they are not evenly distributed - people at the top of the class typically get many offers, whereas people at the bottom often get none.

Someone else tried to estimate overlap by comparing to CLS stats. From this, they estimated 130 students received the 260 offers.

If these stats and estimations are correct, that would mean about 35%-40% of the Michigan class recieved offers through OCI. This would be really bad because that is much, much lower than previous years. If you do not receive offers through OCI, chances are you are effectively shut out of biglaw.


thanks. damn tho, that sucks....


There are MLR members without a firm job for the summer. There are 3.85+ people without one. Michigan got fucked.


This can't be right. I don't know any MLR members without jobs. And you especially can't be right about the 3.85+ people. That's top 3%. You're telling me some of the top 10 students at Michigan didn't get any offers? i don't believe it.

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Re: Leak your schools OCI data here

Postby thesealocust » Sun May 16, 2010 10:29 pm

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Re: Leak your schools OCI data here

Postby Anonymous User » Sun May 16, 2010 10:31 pm

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This can't be right. I don't know any MLR members without jobs. And you especially can't be right about the 3.85+ people. That's top 3%. You're telling me some of the top 10 students at Michigan didn't get any offers? i don't believe it.


I know a name of a 3.85+ person with public interest (not by choice.)

thesealocust wrote:
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hubtubrub wrote:i wonder what this means for cornell, penn, uva, and gtown (which I imagine got the worse of everything cuz of it's big class size)....


Penn did better, given its proximity to NYC. Michigan relies mostly on Chicago (and Detroit for the small section of its class that wants to stay in Michigan.) Chicago was pretty awful. Chicago firms didn't really show up to NYU/CLS, but a lot of them didn't show up to M either, and those that did, it was extremely competitive.


ITT: Anonymous user knows OCI stats from all T14 law schools (keep in mind that none but CLS/NYU have released OCI stats), comes to enlighten us :roll:

I'm not saying the hiring numbers are GOOD, I'm just saying we shouldn't put too much stock into Anonymous Guru before the numbers come out.


ITT: thesealocust reads a post mainly about michigan, nyu, and cls to be about "all T14 law schools." The Michigan numbers I am relying on are up for any Michigan student.

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Re: Leak your schools OCI data here

Postby miamiman » Sun May 16, 2010 10:33 pm

I highly date ocs will ever give out the real data

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Re: Leak your schools OCI data here

Postby Anonymous User » Sun May 16, 2010 10:34 pm

miamiman wrote:I highly date ocs will ever give out the real data


They never have. The only means we have is counting up the differences in offers reported in the GPA PDF.

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Re: Leak your schools OCI data here

Postby Anonymous User » Sun May 16, 2010 10:35 pm

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miamiman wrote:I highly date ocs will ever give out the real data


They never have. The only means we have is counting up the differences in offers reported in the GPA PDF.


Those numbers probably aren't exactly right. A lot of offices I notice don't have a lot of small cities on them, and I know Mich grads have gone there (i.e. Jones Day Cbus).

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Re: Leak your schools OCI data here

Postby Anonymous User » Sun May 16, 2010 10:36 pm

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miamiman wrote:I highly date ocs will ever give out the real data


They never have. The only means we have is counting up the differences in offers reported in the GPA PDF.


Those numbers probably aren't exactly right. A lot of offices I notice don't have a lot of small cities on them, and I know Mich grads have gone there (i.e. Jones Day Cbus).


I'd be willing to say it could be up to 300 for that reason, but not much different. OCS, of course, in its infinite wisdom, combined most of the offices into one entry last year.

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Re: Leak your schools OCI data here

Postby Anonymous User » Sun May 16, 2010 10:43 pm

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This can't be right. I don't know any MLR members without jobs. And you especially can't be right about the 3.85+ people. That's top 3%. You're telling me some of the top 10 students at Michigan didn't get any offers? i don't believe it.




He/she must be socially inept. Or has a big whole on his/her resume or something.

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Re: Leak your schools OCI data here

Postby Anonymous User » Sun May 16, 2010 10:47 pm

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This can't be right. I don't know any MLR members without jobs. And you especially can't be right about the 3.85+ people. That's top 3%. You're telling me some of the top 10 students at Michigan didn't get any offers? i don't believe it.




He/she must be socially inept. Or has a big whole on his/her resume or something.


Sure. I'm certainly not trying to say if you come to Michigan, and get a 3.85 or get on MLR, you're fucked. Maybe this would have happened in 2005. I'm much more troubled by the people around 3.25-3.45 that don't have jobs than the one astronomical GPA that fucked up.

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Re: Leak your schools OCI data here

Postby Renzo » Sun May 16, 2010 11:47 pm

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miamiman wrote:I highly date ocs will ever give out the real data


They never have. The only means we have is counting up the differences in offers reported in the GPA PDF.


Those numbers probably aren't exactly right. A lot of offices I notice don't have a lot of small cities on them, and I know Mich grads have gone there (i.e. Jones Day Cbus).

That's presumably because we're talking about OCI data, so if the Columbus office of Jones Day hired this person outside of EIW, they wouldn't (and shouldn't) be counted.

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Re: Leak your schools OCI data here

Postby 09042014 » Sun May 16, 2010 11:50 pm

How many offers were made in 2007 and 2008?

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Re: Leak your schools OCI data here

Postby GeePee » Mon May 17, 2010 12:10 am

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starstruck393 wrote:
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hubtubrub wrote:i wonder what this means for cornell, penn, uva, and gtown (which I imagine got the worse of everything cuz of it's big class size)....


Penn did better, given its proximity to NYC. Michigan relies mostly on Chicago (and Detroit for the small section of its class that wants to stay in Michigan.) Chicago was pretty awful. Chicago firms didn't really show up to NYU/CLS, but a lot of them didn't show up to M either, and those that did, it was extremely competitive.


No, NYC is Michigan's top market. Chicago is like second or third...


This may be true, but OCS has definitely said otherwise. That being said, OCS has lied about everything else, so I don't doubt this. They definitely steered everyone to Chicago, as that's "our market!"

ITT: We learn why Oblomov was so pissed off at Michigan OCS.

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Re: Leak your schools OCI data here

Postby AngryAvocado » Mon May 17, 2010 12:15 am

GeePee wrote:ITT: We learn why Oblomov was so pissed off at Michigan OCS.


My thoughts exactly. I'm really anxious to hear from some other schools to see if Michigan was the exception or the rule for the rest of the T14.




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