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Leak your school's OCI data here
Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 7:14 pm
by 09042014
If your school has OCI-2009 data please leak it in this thread. Students from Columbia and NYU already have. What about other top schools.
Columbia data sorted and provided by Unemployed
# of 2L participants (including transfers): ~400
# of 2L's who got at least 1 offer: ~270 (67.5%)
V10 Placement: 19.25%
V25 Placement: 34%
V50 Placement: 49.75%
V75 Placement: 56.5%
V100 Placement: 61.25%
NYU
70%
Re: Leak your schools OCI data here
Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 12:41 pm
by miamiman
would have anticipated more leakage by now, DF.
(too early to call this thread a dud?)
Re: Leak your schools OCI data here
Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 1:04 pm
by Renzo
Give it a little while. Maybe some schools don't fill students in until after finals?
Re: Leak your schools OCI data here
Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 1:06 pm
by acdisagod
Maybe OP should put the NYU and Columbia data at the top of the thread if he wouldn't mind.
Re: Leak your schools OCI data here
Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 1:22 pm
by lawschoollll
acdisagod wrote:Maybe OP should put the NYU and Columbia data at the top of the thread if he wouldn't mind.
Re: Leak your schools OCI data here
Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 2:56 pm
by acdisagod
Well here is Columbia
# of 2L participants (including transfers): ~400
# of 2L's who got at least 1 offer: ~270 (67.5%)
V10 Placement: 77 (19.25%)
For comparison, 2006 stats:
# of 2L participants (including transfers): ~400
# of 2L's who got at least 1 offer: ~390 (97.5%)
V10 Placement: 134 (33.5%)
Re: Leak your schools OCI data here
Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 5:02 pm
by Anonymous User
Columbia
V10 Placement: 19.25%
V25 Placement: 34%
V50 Placement: 49.75%
V75 Placement: 56.5%
V100 Placement: 61.25%
Total EIP Placement (according to OP): 67.5%
Re: Leak your schools OCI data here
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 10:08 am
by lawschoollll
Anonymous User wrote:Columbia
V10 Placement: 19.25%
V25 Placement: 34%
V50 Placement: 49.75%
V75 Placement: 56.5%
V100 Placement: 61.25%
Total EIP Placement (according to OP): 67.5%
It's interesting that 60+% got V100, and only 6% got "other" Biglaw jobs. To me that suggests that, had the bottom 3rd aimed a little lower, it might have been better rewarded. Seems like something that will correct itself when next year's data come sout. Still, have the class in V50 jobs ITE is pretty impressive.
Re: Leak your schools OCI data here
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 12:33 pm
by Renzo
lawschoollll wrote:Anonymous User wrote:Columbia
V10 Placement: 19.25%
V25 Placement: 34%
V50 Placement: 49.75%
V75 Placement: 56.5%
V100 Placement: 61.25%
Total EIP Placement (according to OP): 67.5%
It's interesting that 60+% got V100, and only 6% got "other" Biglaw jobs. To me that suggests that, had the bottom 3rd aimed a little lower, it might have been better rewarded. Seems like something that will correct itself when next year's data come sout. Still, have the class in V50 jobs ITE is pretty impressive.
It's actually a bloodbath. This isn't 67% of the class in biglaw jobs, it's 67% of the EIW participants. This means that anyone who knew they didn't want biglaw, because they wanted PI, gov't, etc., isn't counted. In the past, well over 90% of EIW participants got offers, and many got multiple offers.
Re: Leak your schools OCI data here
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 12:36 pm
by miamiman
quick clarifying question: what is the relevance of V10 vs V25 vs V50, etc. Reading ATL, I gather that the V10s may have been a more secure place to be this past year but beyond that -- somewhat nebulous differences in job security -- who cares if it's V10 or V100?
Re: Leak your schools OCI data here
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 12:37 pm
by underdawg
miamiman wrote:quick clarifying question: what is the relevance of V10 vs V25 vs V50, etc. Reading ATL, I gather that the V10s may have been a more secure place to be this past year but beyond that -- somewhat nebulous differences in job security -- who cares if it's V10 or V100?
your future employers will care
and actually i think there's been a huge difference in job security at V10 than V100
Re: Leak your schools OCI data here
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 12:40 pm
by Rand M.
miamiman wrote:quick clarifying question: what is the relevance of V10 vs V25 vs V50, etc. Reading ATL, I gather that the V10s may have been a more secure place to be this past year but beyond that -- somewhat nebulous differences in job security -- who cares if it's V10 or V100?
It's not really about job security. It is more about a combination of prestige and exit opportunities. V5 firms offer different opportunities; having such a name on your resume can get you into doors down the road that other firms just cannot.
Re: Leak your schools OCI data here
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 12:48 pm
by miamiman
ohic. thanx much.
Re: Leak your schools OCI data here
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 12:56 pm
by lawschoollll
Renzo wrote:lawschoollll wrote:Anonymous User wrote:Columbia
V10 Placement: 19.25%
V25 Placement: 34%
V50 Placement: 49.75%
V75 Placement: 56.5%
V100 Placement: 61.25%
Total EIP Placement (according to OP): 67.5%
It's interesting that 60+% got V100, and only 6% got "other" Biglaw jobs. To me that suggests that, had the bottom 3rd aimed a little lower, it might have been better rewarded. Seems like something that will correct itself when next year's data come sout. Still, have the class in V50 jobs ITE is pretty impressive.
It's actually a bloodbath. This isn't 67% of the class in biglaw jobs, it's 67% of the EIW participants. This means that anyone who knew they didn't want biglaw, because they wanted PI, gov't, etc., isn't counted. In the past, well over 90% of EIW participants got offers, and many got multiple offers.
Right, I understand the numbers. That's why I qualified with "ITE." And, anecdotally, 2009 OCI (C/O 2011) was the worst year, right?
Re: Leak your schools OCI data here
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 1:00 pm
by underdawg
yeah 09 was the worst....so far...
Re: Leak your schools OCI data here
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 1:03 pm
by Renzo
underdawg wrote:yeah 09 was the worst....so far...
And probably will be, at least in terms of uncertainty. It's unlikely that we'll see a rebound in hiring, but it's also unlikely that the same kind of infinite deferrals, 50% summer offer rates, rescinded offers, etc. will be repeated.
Re: Leak your schools OCI data here
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 1:05 pm
by Unemployed
Anonymous User wrote:Columbia
V10 Placement: 19.25%
V25 Placement: 34%
V50 Placement: 49.75%
V75 Placement: 56.5%
V100 Placement: 61.25%
Total EIP Placement (according to OP): 67.5%
Hey now - at least credit the original author/compiler of that data. Because I spent time looking up V designations and counting up offers instead of studying, my chance at all the V's got downgraded.
Re: Leak your schools OCI data here
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 1:06 pm
by 09042014
Unemployed wrote:Anonymous User wrote:Columbia
V10 Placement: 19.25%
V25 Placement: 34%
V50 Placement: 49.75%
V75 Placement: 56.5%
V100 Placement: 61.25%
Total EIP Placement (according to OP): 67.5%
Hey now - at least credit the original author/compiler of that data. Because I spent time looking up V designations and counting up offers instead of studying, my chance at all the V's got downgraded.
Ok.
Re: Leak your schools OCI data here
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 1:07 pm
by Renzo
Unemployed wrote:Anonymous User wrote:Columbia
V10 Placement: 19.25%
V25 Placement: 34%
V50 Placement: 49.75%
V75 Placement: 56.5%
V100 Placement: 61.25%
Total EIP Placement (according to OP): 67.5%
Hey now - at least credit the original author/compiler of that data. Because I spent time looking up V designations and counting up offers instead of studying, my chance at all the V's got downgraded.
True. Thanks, and props for wasting your time
Re: Leak your schools OCI data here
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 11:00 pm
by bwv812
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Re: Leak your schools OCI data here
Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 12:15 am
by DerrickRose
bwv812 wrote:These results are much better than what I expected, especially since there was some speculation that firms would take the better students from all schools, and more or less ignore mediocre students from all schools. Instead, it seems like school prestige meant even more in 2009.
Disagree. What it looks like to me from the limited data we have is that the firms are essentially approximating the students admissions numbers based on their school and class ranking and adjusting their hiring up and down accordingly.
It makes a hell of a lot of sense. Biglaw admissions are basically law school admissions, just with more specified, standardized data.
Re: Leak your schools OCI data here
Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 12:23 am
by Renzo
bwv812 wrote:Renzo wrote:lawschoollll wrote:Anonymous User wrote:Columbia
V10 Placement: 19.25%
V25 Placement: 34%
V50 Placement: 49.75%
V75 Placement: 56.5%
V100 Placement: 61.25%
Total EIP Placement (according to OP): 67.5%
It's interesting that 60+% got V100, and only 6% got "other" Biglaw jobs. To me that suggests that, had the bottom 3rd aimed a little lower, it might have been better rewarded. Seems like something that will correct itself when next year's data come sout. Still, have the class in V50 jobs ITE is pretty impressive.
It's actually a bloodbath. This isn't 67% of the class in biglaw jobs, it's 67% of the EIW participants. This means that anyone who knew they didn't want biglaw, because they wanted PI, gov't, etc., isn't counted. In the past, well over 90% of EIW participants got offers, and many got multiple offers.
A bloodbath? Then what are you calling what happened below T6? These results are much better than what I expected, especially since there was some speculation that firms would take the better students from all schools, and more or less ignore mediocre students from all schools. Instead, it seems like school prestige meant even more in 2009.
As always, it's relative, and it was exponentially worse at lower-regarded schools. But 30%+ less students with jobs is huge, no matter if it takes you from 90-60% or 60-30%.
Re: Leak your schools OCI data here
Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 9:33 am
by miamiman
Renzo wrote:lawschoollll wrote:Anonymous User wrote:Columbia
V10 Placement: 19.25%
V25 Placement: 34%
V50 Placement: 49.75%
V75 Placement: 56.5%
V100 Placement: 61.25%
Total EIP Placement (according to OP): 67.5%
It's interesting that 60+% got V100, and only 6% got "other" Biglaw jobs. To me that suggests that, had the bottom 3rd aimed a little lower, it might have been better rewarded. Seems like something that will correct itself when next year's data come sout. Still, have the class in V50 jobs ITE is pretty impressive.
It's actually a bloodbath. This isn't 67% of the class in biglaw jobs, it's 67% of the EIW participants. This means that anyone who knew they didn't want biglaw, because they wanted PI, gov't, etc., isn't counted. In the past, well over 90% of EIW participants got offers, and many got multiple offers.
ugh. this thread depresses me. I blame Renzo -- not because of anything he said but rather for his pull-no-punches, balls-and-strikes rhetorical style. Every time I think there's hope, Renzo is there to shatter it.
I still like you though Renzo.
Re: Leak your schools OCI data here
Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 9:40 am
by kaydish21
This makes me even more curious to see additional school's data. Is there a way to see when schools release the data, or can more current students provide this information?
Re: Leak your schools OCI data here
Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 11:33 am
by 09042014
kaydish21 wrote:This makes me even more curious to see additional school's data. Is there a way to see when schools release the data, or can more current students provide this information?
That's why I started the thread, to get students to leak their schools data.